Inside Job?

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread751514/pg1#pid12300858

A sensitive topic but since I see a thread about cannibalism and another one about Jebus, I figured that it can be discussed here. So take the time to watch the video. Then debate!

Inside job or terrorist attack?

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Oh lord, more conspiracy theories...
Just with a quick peek at the video and the information given and I sense bullshit
their theory on how it was an inside job relies on the fact that empirically, collapsed buildings do not collapse in that way and that it should have remained standing because of the core tube system of support while it fails to encompass certain points of interest
1)In all of their examples,these buildings collapsed because of earthquakes or fire, not because of two multi tonne jetliners crashing into the building at hundreds of miles per hour
2)None of the buildings given in example use the same structural format because of a diminished size
3) they say that the building should have stayed standing because of a central point well considering shock is transferred throughout the whole creation as a grid tube system was used if you were to apply thousands of pounds of force to one of the support pillars it would not only cause dislocation of certain pieces between floors and the main floor but the sudden shift of weight in addition to the shaking the other parts of the pillar are now facing would obviously lead to collapse
4) Fire already had a fuel source from plane and friction from plane would have caused it to spread, considering the world trade center was made of mainly flammable components it would have been easy for flames to spread
5) All examples of fires in previous skyscrapers were office fires
6)The example of the Beijing mandarin oriental hotel actually was on the verge of collapse because of structural failure, it was dealt with before anyone could be injured before it fell, the same cannot be said for the twin towers
7)They make a linking claim that files containing information on certain groups located on floors where there was no initial fire were loss...well no shit, the whole tower collapsed into rubble and the 12th floor was unrecoverable as it was in between the two floors on fire and below the plane's striking area, most of its occupants were casualties and probably wouldn't think about saving precious files as they were trapped between two burning floors.
8)multi tiered support system would have allowed displacement and was made to retain and resist shock from ground levels if there was an occurrence of an earthquake, because of Impact one-fourth the way down, all floors above would be too heavy to be supported and would have fallen as all structural defaults would have been compromised, the floors below would have been destroyed by the collapse of the upper floors on the lower floors
9)The supposed thermite is said to be from thermite explosives.Considering thermite is used in explosives and hand grenades as an incindiary, there data is conflicting,thermite should not have been able to make such an occurrence even if it was placed on every single floor
10)thermite cannot act as a fuel source for so long, the biggest thermite munitions to date last less than an hour and generally thermite fires cannot be kept ablazed by outer sources like flammable material.
11)For military use,TH-3 is the most common found and probably the type suggested used as others would require substantially large bombs of thermite such as in bombing runs in the world wars, however, barium nitrate, one fourth of the TH-3 compound was not found.

It's possible the thermite found was actually from AFTER cleanup.

I wanna know WHAT phenomenon really knocked down WTC7 the way it did because it certainly doesn't look like the official explanation will reproduce the results of its fall. That said, I don't see the need for it to be false flag either. Because of our wars we're trillion dollars in debt with CHINA holding our money hostage, and security isn't doing anything. Some conspiracy theorists say 9/11 was to impose crap like the recent NDAA bullshit, but I think it's just a case of corrupt congress rather than police state. There's nothing to gain from becoming a police state, so instead they must be just corrupt individuals who were born rich and have no idea what it means to be middle class.

Also, abovetopsecret and prisonplanet are propaganda machines funded by Russia. RT has ties with Putin himself, in fact!

(I also sort of disregard NWO conspiracy theories for the same reason. People say they want to dominate the world and leave only %10 because the Georgia Guidestones said so... Okay, but then what? That doesn't accomplish anything, and it's a pointless plan.)

Power & Money. The political class gains power and wealth the more we turn into a police state. A good example is how U.S companies financed and support Nazi Germany during WW2 WHILE we fought them.

It still occurs today. U.S organizations will convince the American people we need to go to war and then when war breaks out, they play both sides to gain money from weapon and resource purchases or even the payments on loans used to finance the war effort.

There are even reports that U.S C.I.A started the Lybian conflict in order to oust Qudaffi so they could get access to his countries oil reserves.

Ironically, Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin shot down the theory of 9/11 "inside jobs" when asked about it, stating that something so elaborate couldn't possibly have been concocted through the CIA(or in Russian terms, the Kremlin), not without information leaking out anyway.

Actually thermite is used by fire fighters to start secondary fires and to dispose of materials post-fire to lessen danger so it would make sense.

Interesting.

My stance still remains. I'm not a believer of many conspiracy theories, but there are still many questions.

There should be a new investigation either way. People like Rick Perry who refuse allowing research are corrupt and heartless individuals who obviously don't care for the people who died on that day. There's a lot more reasons to research 9/11 than for conspiracy theories! (Like science and infrastructure!!)

But just he's a typical rich guy who got lucky with real estate. He forgot what it's like to be a normal person and doesn't care for the people who died.

I have worse criticisms for other candidates who ignore the people whom died.

The government should be trying to expose the evidence, but they're doing the exact opposite; that alone should be enough to be suspicious.

I find it unfair how the people who suspect a conspiracy are tasked with proving evidence of explosions, while the people who don't believe in a conspiracy don't explain why the government is hiding the evidence.

so, defenders against a conspiracy (Darkhilt), why is the government hiding the evidence?

Clever, you made a 9/11 denial thread without mentioning the event itself.

Sorry, but still unverified bullshit.

I believe it was an inside job for some reason.

It is a fact that we believers may look like dumbasses for believing something unverified, but the doubts that I have is enough to make me think it was an inside job.

I don't think it is necessary to explain my reasons of thinking this is an inside job, since my reasons is practically the same with everyone else.

EDIT:

Maybe I will outline my reason:

The way the building collapse

It is weird, how can a tough building made of concrete can literally dissolve like that after being hit "only" by a plane? And the plane hit at the upper part of the building, even if I aim a ball at a tower made of wood blocks, if I hit the top part, the bottom part will not shatter

Even if the plane explodes, I'm sure it won't affect the building up to the state where the whole building collapses. The building is made by concrete, not paper.

That's where I start doubting that this was a terrorist attack, and I heard that apparently some people are collecting the surveillance from nearby buildings, my doubt increases, and all theories in the Internet makes sense to me.

There are so much rumors going on about 9/11 i don't even know what to believe. The 2 most popular i'v heard are "It was a inside job" and "President George Bush knew about the attack and let it happen to declare war on oil".

No shit. What else are they supposed to show you?



Again this statement bears no concise argument. No shit.



First, "one aspect of engineering that is not widely understood is that structures are over-engineered as a matter of standard practice." 1
"Also, John Skilling is cited by the Engineering News Record for the claim that "live loads on these [perimeter] columns can be increased more than 2000% before failure occurs."2
"Concerned because of a case where an airplane hit the Empire State Building, Skilling's people did an analysis that showed the towers would withstand the impact of a Boeing 707."3

If you were a structural engineer i would have taken your statement a little more seriously.
Take that away and all i see is a run-on sentence.



Again, this statement holds no concise argument whatsoever.



Do please give me an example of a non "office fire".



"In that instance, the freeway section was made of highly flammable asphalt and took the brunt of a gigantic gasoline explosion with open air fires shooting 200 feet in the air. In comparison, the twin towers were impacted by aluminum planes filled with significantly less flammable kerosene and suffered limited fires that were oxygen-starved and almost out before the collapses occurred." 4

Ironically: “You can’t even begin to compare 5 inch thick steel plate core columns, approximately 2 foot by 5 foot rectangle 5 inch thick boxes to quarter inch and 3 quarter inch dowels that connect the steel to the support members,” 4



I did not read into the specifications...but what exactly does this argument state?
What do people have to do with with the explanation of lost files?
And did you actually understand the purpose of their statement?
And does this actually have anything to do about with what was argued?



Again, give me a citation. Or all i see is a run on sentence.



I don't even understand the argument. Are you saying that even if thermite was used it could not
have been found?



No shit. It is used for explosives, not fires.



Where did the thermite come from then? Please Explain.