I've been wondering for some time now, does real genuine intuition exist? For those who don't know what it is, it's a sort of a 6th sense that can alter your decision, for example, pretend you don't know what a bee hive is, you come across is one day. Now, if you were to have intuition, it would now be telling you to not approach it as it's dangerous, I guess, meh bad example, but you should get what I'm saying.
I've read that one can develop intuition through meditation and the likes, but I'm generally a skeptic, however I try not to be narrow-minded.
I have also read something regarding Buddhism, that through 'cultivation', you develop the 'celestial eye' which allows a kind of concept of intuition through the natural energy of the universe etc etc.
Now, this all sounds rather far fetched, but the human body has just as many secrets as the universe. OH yeah, this may also be linked to the cause of Deja Vu.
I believe in intuition. Your brain can pick up a lot of things that your subconscious will analyze and react to a lot faster than your conscious mind. Things you wouldn't give much thoughg to normally but that if you had you'd have thought they were weird.
Could you perhaps explain a bit more please? Personal experience is invaluable.
I can't sound professional when I am saying this so here goes:
There were many things I learned in life that didn't need exactly practice, like in the first grade where I was really poor at reading and then suddenly it snapped and I could read like a pro. That also applies with bike riding, I was very bad at it then it just happened, like that.
I also gained knowledge on money, business and the path people are going without even knowing their life or personal experience, I just know instantly. Like the time my father hired some workers for his small business, I told him these people are gonna fuck with you, and he doubted me but a few months later they tried to gain extra cash by threatening him with court and such, but he won the case anyways.
I cannot really explain it, I just know these stuff and I didn't do much of anything to obtain these knowledge. Guess you can say that my body, mind, and spirit is linked to the universe and I gain instant knowledge by just looking at it from above or below.
Sounds weird, but what can I say, I am a weird person at times.
Could you perhaps explain a bit more please? Personal experience is invaluable.
I can't sound professional when I am saying this so here goes:
There were many things I learned in life that didn't need exactly practice, like in the first grade where I was really poor at reading and then suddenly it snapped and I could read like a pro. That also applies with bike riding, I was very bad at it then it just happened, like that.
I also gained knowledge on money, business and the path people are going without even knowing their life or personal experience, I just know instantly. Like the time my father hired some workers for his small business, I told him these people are gonna fuck with you, and he doubted me but a few months later they tried to gain extra cash by threatening him with court and such, but he won the case anyways.
I cannot really explain it, I just know these stuff and I didn't do much of anything to obtain these knowledge. Guess you can say that my body, mind, and spirit is linked to the universe and I gain instant knowledge by just looking at it from above or below.
Sounds weird, but what can I say, I am a weird person at times.
Sounds cool if this is legit.
You should try some meditation, I want to know if anything peculiar happens. O_o
Could you perhaps explain a bit more please? Personal experience is invaluable.
I can't sound professional when I am saying this so here goes:
There were many things I learned in life that didn't need exactly practice, like in the first grade where I was really poor at reading and then suddenly it snapped and I could read like a pro. That also applies with bike riding, I was very bad at it then it just happened, like that.
I also gained knowledge on money, business and the path people are going without even knowing their life or personal experience, I just know instantly. Like the time my father hired some workers for his small business, I told him these people are gonna fuck with you, and he doubted me but a few months later they tried to gain extra cash by threatening him with court and such, but he won the case anyways.
I cannot really explain it, I just know these stuff and I didn't do much of anything to obtain these knowledge. Guess you can say that my body, mind, and spirit is linked to the universe and I gain instant knowledge by just looking at it from above or below.
Sounds weird, but what can I say, I am a weird person at times.
Sounds cool if this is legit.
You should try some meditation, I want to know if anything peculiar happens. O_o
Please don't laugh when I say this, but every time I meditate I feel something surging within me like a giant waterfall, and I have goosebumps everywhere.
After my meditation I feel so refreshed and well, and the activity within my brain is circulating perfectly in harmony and my body feels more relaxed and in peace.
Because meditation, is the key to feeling the universe, well it does for me anyways based on my experience.
Oh and I did say I am a weird person so this shouldn't be a surprise to anyone about what I wrote.
Two sides of a coin is my answer, which I present to you:
On the one hand, I do not believe in intuition. I believe that everything we think and do has a cause, and thus intuition is nothing more than a discrete signal from your cognitive reasoning center that tells you the succint result of the analysis it has made out of the few informations you have provided him, weighted in with your own personal experiences and how you see and interact in a general manner with new things, as well as with your ancestral instinct.
Why do I say this: for the simple reason that intuition is a reasoning function of the human mind.
Example: a baby is a human, ergo it possesses intuition, but nothing will prevent a baby from touching a flame that it does not know of, ergo the baby has no intuition that the flame burns him, so in conclusion he did not possess the information in sufficient quantity to provide an intuitive response.
Following from this, one may say: "Yeah, but I had an intuition and it turns out I ws right and I knew nothing of the subject". Simple probabilities will tell you that your choice was based on no information and has, by pure luck, been the good one. To this I add that in any reasonned debate, anecdotal evidence is invalid..
Leaving only one answer possible: intuition is no more than deduction, but we pride ourselves in believing we have a "special talent" at guessing.
But if we flip the coin of my mind, I would say that I support the idea of intuition, in the same way that I support that of magic and supernatural powers.
I believe that they exist, and there may not be any evidence for it now, but, bearing the burden of truth, I will thrive to prove that one can throw fireballs as well as guess what your name is without seeing you.
This last point is not ironic, I really wish this to be true, but i can't say it to be for the moment.
This be my thoughts, the coin be flipped, now you need to guess which side.
Please don't laugh when I say this, but every time I meditate I feel something surging within me like a giant waterfall, and I have goosebumps everywhere.
After my meditation I feel so refreshed and well, and the activity within my brain is circulating perfectly in harmony and my body feels more relaxed and in peace.
Because meditation, is the key to feeling the universe, well it does for me anyways based on my experience.
Oh and I did say I am a weird person so this shouldn't be a surprise to anyone about what I wrote.
Well, we've already gotten this far, might o' well.
So, can you try imagining your, er, 'inner enegry' meshing together and creating some sort of erm, well, result I guess. Probably won't work, not really sure what I'm talking about. I've read stories of monks who have devoted their lives to such cultivation and they can do things like produce heat on the palm of their hand enough to burn paper and other extraordinary things O_o
I still remain skeptical however.
For more info, youtube 'Qigong', keep in mind there are some fake videos.
Gubi wrote...
Two sides of a coin is my answer, which I present to you:
On the one hand, I do not believe in intuition. I believe that everything we think and do has a cause, and thus intuition is nothing more than a discrete signal from your cognitive reasoning center that tells you the succint result of the analysis it has made out of the few informations you have provided him, weighted in with your own personal experiences and how you see and interact in a general manner with new things, as well as with your ancestral instinct.
Why do I say this: for the simple reason that intuition is a reasoning function of the human mind.
Example: a baby is a human, ergo it possesses intuition, but nothing will prevent a baby from touching a flame that it does not know of, ergo the baby has no intuition that the flame burns him, so in conclusion he did not possess the information in sufficient quantity to provide an intuitive response.
Following from this, one may say: "Yeah, but I had an intuition and it turns out I ws right and I knew nothing of the subject". Simple probabilities will tell you that your choice was based on no information and has, by pure luck, been the good one. To this I add that in any reasonned debate, anecdotal evidence is invalid..
Leaving only one answer possible: intuition is no more than deduction, but we pride ourselves in believing we have a "special talent" at guessing.
But if we flip the coin of my mind, I would say that I support the idea of intuition, in the same way that I support that of magic and supernatural powers.
I believe that they exist, and there may not be any evidence for it now, but, bearing the burden of truth, I will thrive to prove that one can throw fireballs as well as guess what your name is without seeing you.
This last point is not ironic, I really wish this to be true, but i can't say it to be for the moment.
This be my thoughts, the coin be flipped, now you need to guess which side.
I'd say tails. On a hunch.
What if intuition isn't based around one's reason?
Of course, we'll probably never know. I believe everything has the potential to be right until certainly proven wrong (usually by science).
What if intuition isn't based around one's reason?
Of course, we'll probably never know. I believe everything has the potential to be right until certainly proven wrong (usually by science).
Your argument is invalid.
You cannot shift the burden of proof.
If you reason as such, then:
-I believe there is raptor conspiracy.
-No one can prove me wrong.
-Ergo there is one.
Doesn't work like that. Sadly, if I may add, but also thankfully.
See the thread: Burden of Proof.
I have it. Saved me from pain. BUT not always. Its kinda moody.
Anyway, I heard it in TV once. Here is the deal.
In Vietnam War, some US Soldiers started to sense ambushes ahead in the jungle. They decided to call that Pointman Syndrome. Those soldiers took point when going through the jungle.
I dotn know if its true, or im messing something up badly since i watched it last year.
It's funny how I can cross the road with my in-ear earphones at max volume and yet sense approaching cars. Then there's that weird tingling feeling I get when I put something (a TV remote for example) to my forehead.
If it's something like business intuition, yes, I do believe it in. I have to say that without my business intuition, I can't get as far as I am right now.
I have a weak intuition when it comes down to choices, I do have an above average talent in music, have been playing Guitar, bass, drum and the keyboard.
sometimes I'm a fast learner too, but I'm too lazy ass hell, my grades didn't hit the first place since high school.. but the special thing in me is I have a sensitive heart and able to read most people's mind, and that thing sometimes hurt me deep down..
the highest needs of human is, to realize their existence, as of intuition is one of the fundamental component.
My guess is that intuition builds from experience.
The more you see situational outcomes in a certain direction becoming successful due to certain actions, the more your mind is likely to make you think that such actions are correct.
What if intuition isn't based around one's reason?
Of course, we'll probably never know. I believe everything has the potential to be right until certainly proven wrong (usually by science).
Your argument is invalid.
You cannot shift the burden of proof.
If you reason as such, then:
-I believe there is raptor conspiracy.
-No one can prove me wrong.
-Ergo there is one.
Doesn't work like that. Sadly, if I may add, but also thankfully.
See the thread: Burden of Proof.
Unfortunately this world is not so rounded as to have a 'yes' or 'no' to everything, it simply isn't.
Killing is wrong, yes? I killed a man yesterday. My actions are wrong and I should be condemned accordingly.
This man was Bin Laden, will I still be condemned as smoothly? Probably not.
Real life situations have an infinite number of factors to be considered when deciding whether something is right/wrong.
If you have a raptor conspiracy, and I can't prove you wrong, then in my opinion it is undecided until someone can prove it is true/wrong.
gizgal wrote...
My guess is that intuition builds from experience.
The more you see situational outcomes in a certain direction becoming successful due to certain actions, the more your mind is likely to make you think that such actions are correct.
Erm, isn't that just using one's experience to help in difficult situations?
I had to smoke a cigarette and think long and hard about how I was going to respond to this. Unfortunately what I was going to say has already been said, so I'll just respond to your response to it.
Sunduction wrote...
Unfortunately this world is not so rounded as to have a 'yes' or 'no' to everything, it simply isn't.
Killing is wrong, yes? I killed a man yesterday. My actions are wrong and I should be condemned accordingly.
This man was Bin Laden, will I still be condemned as smoothly? Probably not.
Real life situations have an infinite number of factors to be considered when deciding whether something is right/wrong.
If you have a raptor conspiracy, and I can't prove you wrong, then in my opinion it is undecided until someone can prove it is true/wrong.
Careful, you're treading on some rather...sophistic grounds. Not in the modern definition(I.E. deceptive argumentation and rhetoric) but in the classical Socratic definition.
There's a telling of a story of Socrates A La Plato where he confronted a professor of philosophy at a university(the sophist). This professor essentially dumbed down philosophy to say, "Everyone is, to some degree, correct." Socrates proved this to be a self defeating position by uttering, "I, in my opinion, believe I am 100% correct in finding you 100% in error. And your position forces you to accept that I am right."
It's been awhile since I've read the parable, but that's essentially the quote.
The fact that you have decided until the raptor conspiracy is proven false, it cannot be decided as right, or wrong, shows that you A. don't accept the burden of proof as being legitimate, wherein I direct you to this wonderfully made video.
The fact of the matter is that if someone puts forth a proposition, and an absurd one at that, it is not necessarily rational to conclude it as "irresolvable until further data is given" Which would be your position of 'undecided'.
You may go ahead and take that position, but it's not a rationally defensible one.
I could make a vast number of uninvestigatable claims, and instead of taking a position on them, and understanding absurdity as being a rational reason to disbelieve and doubt, you are forced to say, "I can't say one way or the other if you're right or wrong."
If I tell you there's a mining colony on Pluto, run by a talking Gorilla...you...can't..prove it wrong. However, that doesn't render this claim immediately unresolvable until we can scrutinize Pluto. This puts you in the position to say, "Well sure, it could be true, but it could not be true." This prevents you from advancing, and rationally taking positions on ANYTHING that there is no data on.
I urge you, no, PLEAD you to reconsider this position you've taken of "agnostic until proof is given one way or the other."
gizgal wrote...
My guess is that intuition builds from experience.
The more you see situational outcomes in a certain direction becoming successful due to certain actions, the more your mind is likely to make you think that such actions are correct.
Erm, isn't that just using one's experience to help in difficult situations?[/quote]
What is intuition except the mind's inherent inductive reasoning skills making an initial decision about reality, based on past experience and realistic nature?
I find past experience inductive reasoning not at all to be mutually exclusive with intuition. In fact, I find them synonymous.
I had to smoke a cigarette and think long and hard about how I was going to respond to this. Unfortunately what I was going to say has already been said, so I'll just respond to your response to it.
Careful, you're treading on some rather...sophistic grounds. Not in the modern definition(I.E. deceptive argumentation and rhetoric) but in the classical Socratic definition.
There's a telling of a story of Socrates A La Plato where he confronted a professor of philosophy at a university(the sophist). This professor essentially dumbed down philosophy to say, "Everyone is, to some degree, correct." Socrates proved this to be a self defeating position by uttering, "I, in my opinion, believe I am 100% correct in finding you 100% in error. And your position forces you to accept that I am right."
It's been awhile since I've read the parable, but that's essentially the quote.
The fact that you have decided until the raptor conspiracy is proven false, it cannot be decided as right, or wrong, shows that you A. don't accept the burden of proof as being legitimate, wherein I direct you to this wonderfully made video.
The fact of the matter is that if someone puts forth a proposition, and an absurd one at that, it is not necessarily rational to conclude it as "irresolvable until further data is given" Which would be your position of 'undecided'.
You may go ahead and take that position, but it's not a rationally defensible one.
I could make a vast number of uninvestigatable claims, and instead of taking a position on them, and understanding absurdity as being a rational reason to disbelieve and doubt, you are forced to say, "I can't say one way or the other if you're right or wrong."
If I tell you there's a mining colony on Pluto, run by a talking Gorilla...you...can't..prove it wrong. However, that doesn't render this claim immediately unresolvable until we can scrutinize Pluto. This puts you in the position to say, "Well sure, it could be true, but it could not be true." This prevents you from advancing, and rationally taking positions on ANYTHING that there is no data on.
I urge you, no, PLEAD you to reconsider this position you've taken of "agnostic until proof is given one way or the other."
What is intuition except the mind's inherent inductive reasoning skills making an initial decision about reality, based on past experience and realistic nature?
I find past experience inductive reasoning not at all to be mutually exclusive with intuition. In fact, I find them synonymous.
Regrettably, I still must take this point of view regardless if it isn't a very defensible one. For the universe can be both unpredictable and illogical at times.
I take this position as to avoid being narrow-minded, for that in itself is a set-back of progression in general.
I seriously disagree with society's method of going about things, in my opinion it is leading everyone to walk, talk, think, and do in the same way which will eventually affect the amount of unique ideas which in turn destabilizes humanity's progression.
Now, I don't particularly care whether one of my claims is right or wrong, to an extent, rather I care what discussion and response it causes as I think we should stem away from society's way of thinking: that science is everything and anything else is not worth noting and if someone doesn't act in a certain way then they are crazy.
Having said this, science is indeed very important, but it is not everything. It is in fact flawed since it is topic created by us, imperfect beings. There was a time when everyone thought the world was flat and you'd fall off of it if you were to go too far, proven by that time's 'science'.
Now, going back to my stance on argument. Obviously I would use this point of view reasonably as to not assume completely outrageous claims like a walrus on Pluto juggling skulls. There is an extent to what is uncharted territory and what is simply absurd.
I would like to say that intuition, may arguably be ancestral memory. What if we have our gut feelings and split-second-instincts, based on what our fathers, mothers, grandmothers, grandfathers learned and experienced in their time?