Male Privilege (There. I said it.)
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gizgal wrote...
I am not for the abuse of anyone, be it mental or physical. Regardless of gender, sex, race, nationality, etc.That said, this seems like is going to become an eventual segway discussion into "men's rights" without acknowledgement of male privilege, so I will be departing the conversation.
Perhaps I threw some people off on this one, and I agree, it's worded a bit rashly.
I merely wish to impart that I feel this topic is worded a little poorly, and that I don't wish to enter the conversation beyond stating that abuse of anyone is wrong.
Before Giz completely grinds down her reputation, arguing about this in the "don't beat your husband" thread:
As we continue fighting for equality in all things, where should we draw the line?
There are legitimate practical differences between men and women, just as there are with foreigners and younger/older people. Fact. BUT the problem in question does exist. Women do get paid less, statistically. Men are expected to perform more, culturally.
I'm not here to discuss the issue itself. Everybody should know that sexism is wrong. The state has legislated base-level equality and the remainder is left to the people. Now is the time to pick the mannerisms for the next age.
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My personal habits are based on a civil rights philosophy. I will judge you by the content of your character. Everybody gets the door held for them. Everybody gets the benefit of the doubt when they cannot perform a task. Blah, Blah, let's get practical.
-Upon the birth of a child, men have the option of paternal leave. Women are required. Check's in the mail, come back when you and the kid are healthy again.
-If I didn't hire you, it's because I don't believe YOU could do the job as well. It's not that I hired her because I want to sleep with her. Ditto for him because I hate women. See above.
-Everybody is "Dude." You, my brother, the cat, even the meter-maid trying to get my car towed.
-I still do the man v. woman v. fistbump handshake. Habit from being a salesman.
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Despite being female myself, I've never understood why some women expect so much out of men, or feel like their gender is the main focus of every situation. I've come across so many females that have said to me and people around me that "It's all about sex/breasts/buttocks/appearance when it comes to men". I've always assumed that people either take interest in someone or dislike someone based on character or initial attitude. Can't people just behave without having any conceited notions that other people's interests in them are based on their gender and appearance/sex appeal? I know I don't do that, but maybe that's just me.
Another thing that I have never understood is sexism in itself. I understand cultural and regional upbringing, but I've never understood what causes it aside from what I just mentioned. Nowadays, there are laws that are supposed to protect the rights of everyone, and I don't know why people chose to deny or judge another solely based on gender.
-Upon the birth of a child, men have the option of paternal leave. Women are required. Check's in the mail, come back when you and the kid are healthy again.
-If I didn't hire you, it's because I don't believe YOU could do the job as well. It's not that I hired her because I want to sleep with her. Ditto for him because I hate women. See above.
-Everybody is "Dude." You, my brother, the cat, even the meter-maid trying to get my car towed.
-I still do the man v. woman v. fistbump handshake. Habit from being a salesman.
I completely agree. A woman has to deal with a lot of stress and pain with they're pregnancy, but even though the father isn't physically bearing the stress and pain, he still endures it along with his companion. Men should get paternity leave because they are as much of a parent as the mother, and hell, every parent deserves to stay home with their newborn.
I've been denied jobs due to having to crossdress at the interviews (I was homeless and resorted to wearing my friend's clothes to interviews, and all my friends are male). I had applied and been interviewed three times at my first job, and it was only when I wore extremely feminine clothing that I got hired. If I was completely capable of doing the job, then why was I hired immediate once I dressed like a idealistic female? F**k sexism. I hated having to wear a skirt and pantyhose and high heels to that job as a part of its dress code, whereas the men could wear whatever they wanted. It was completely sexist.
Sometimes I feel like men are being more oppressed in this society more than ever. It seems like the abundance of women's rights activists tend to be entirely sexist themselves. "Equal rights, equal rights! Hey, wait, you can't hit me, I'm a girl!" Men are people, too, and deserve the same rights as you do. Isn't that what gender equality means? I work in retail, and I've never seen any man placed in a department that wasn't in the men's departments or stockroom. There are plenty of women placed in the men's department, but the rest of the store is entirely filled with female associates. Of course it would be awkward to have a man fit women for bras and fetch them undergarments. 'Yes, I'm quite sure a man will be able to find you a fine outfit for your child just as much as you'd expect a woman to.'
Another thing that I have never understood is sexism in itself. I understand cultural and regional upbringing, but I've never understood what causes it aside from what I just mentioned. Nowadays, there are laws that are supposed to protect the rights of everyone, and I don't know why people chose to deny or judge another solely based on gender.
Aud1o Blood wrote...
-Upon the birth of a child, men have the option of paternal leave. Women are required. Check's in the mail, come back when you and the kid are healthy again.
-If I didn't hire you, it's because I don't believe YOU could do the job as well. It's not that I hired her because I want to sleep with her. Ditto for him because I hate women. See above.
-Everybody is "Dude." You, my brother, the cat, even the meter-maid trying to get my car towed.
-I still do the man v. woman v. fistbump handshake. Habit from being a salesman.
I completely agree. A woman has to deal with a lot of stress and pain with they're pregnancy, but even though the father isn't physically bearing the stress and pain, he still endures it along with his companion. Men should get paternity leave because they are as much of a parent as the mother, and hell, every parent deserves to stay home with their newborn.
I've been denied jobs due to having to crossdress at the interviews (I was homeless and resorted to wearing my friend's clothes to interviews, and all my friends are male). I had applied and been interviewed three times at my first job, and it was only when I wore extremely feminine clothing that I got hired. If I was completely capable of doing the job, then why was I hired immediate once I dressed like a idealistic female? F**k sexism. I hated having to wear a skirt and pantyhose and high heels to that job as a part of its dress code, whereas the men could wear whatever they wanted. It was completely sexist.
Sometimes I feel like men are being more oppressed in this society more than ever. It seems like the abundance of women's rights activists tend to be entirely sexist themselves. "Equal rights, equal rights! Hey, wait, you can't hit me, I'm a girl!" Men are people, too, and deserve the same rights as you do. Isn't that what gender equality means? I work in retail, and I've never seen any man placed in a department that wasn't in the men's departments or stockroom. There are plenty of women placed in the men's department, but the rest of the store is entirely filled with female associates. Of course it would be awkward to have a man fit women for bras and fetch them undergarments. 'Yes, I'm quite sure a man will be able to find you a fine outfit for your child just as much as you'd expect a woman to.'
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I'm not particularly good at writing out a long string of words to describe to seriously describe my opinion. Luckily, there are people out there who CAN do such a thing.
girlwriteswhat has done a lot of videos on social stigmas surrounding mens rights and feminism and how things kind of got to how they are today. Not exactly the best video to watch if you have a short attention span, but particularly informative if this sort of issue matters to you.
girlwriteswhat has done a lot of videos on social stigmas surrounding mens rights and feminism and how things kind of got to how they are today. Not exactly the best video to watch if you have a short attention span, but particularly informative if this sort of issue matters to you.
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I think in certain areas men tend to have a advantage,while woman have advantages in other areas. And while you are obviously not sexist, it doesn't mean everybody else isn't. Flopsided's example of having to dress feminine to get a job proves that
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A friend and i were looking at info on govt. grants for education and small business assistance a while back. we found many for women and minorities, but none for white males. it is assumed that as a white male, the scales are tipped in my favor regardless of my true socioeconomic standing.
something else i've seen is certain unwriten rules that apply to men. for example, many places won't hire men with long hair. the only time this could even be considered legit is if it was a safety hazard(getting it caught in moving machinery). if an employer refused to hire a woman because she had short hair, there would be a huge ruckus.
something else i've seen is certain unwriten rules that apply to men. for example, many places won't hire men with long hair. the only time this could even be considered legit is if it was a safety hazard(getting it caught in moving machinery). if an employer refused to hire a woman because she had short hair, there would be a huge ruckus.
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Flopsided wrote...
Another thing that I have never understood is sexism in itself. I understand cultural and regional upbringing, but I've never understood what causes it aside from what I just mentioned. There are so many people arguing against/for sexism, but in the end all the points they make are irrelevant or fallacious. There is in fact a professional discrimination against women, as there is a social discrimination against men, but both are so marginal in western societies that they can be ignored on a personal level. It is just a statistical phenomenon, as racism, and people getting butthurt about statistical phenomena usually have other, personal problems in their lives. In other words; if you don't care about sexism, sexism won't exist for you.
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Institutional policy is based, as Palaiologos said, on statistical models instead of cultural movement. As somebody who qualifies for nearly every multicultural scholarship there is, I can safely say that there ARE people who need it.
If we make income the barrier, than large families are marginalized. If we select by grades alone, people from uneducated families get screwed.
So, they decided to be "fair" by covering all the bases. It's simply the best thing they could come up with at the time.
And, these people do exist (just as racists do), but here's something:
full article: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1848769,00.html#ixzz1wW2XGF3J
Other studies, such as this, show a marked decline in "fear" response when the subject is repeatedly exposed to the outside group in question.
The best thing to be done, from a social aspect, is mate (literally or otherwise) the groups in question. If more men see women as hard workers, than the perception will change.
This has been evidenced through integration within the armed forces. As people are (admittedly, forced) together, they become more tolerant.
If we make income the barrier, than large families are marginalized. If we select by grades alone, people from uneducated families get screwed.
So, they decided to be "fair" by covering all the bases. It's simply the best thing they could come up with at the time.
And, these people do exist (just as racists do), but here's something:
When Banaji, along with cognitive neuroscientist Liz Phelps of New York University, conducted brain scans of subjects using functional magnetic resonance imaging, they uncovered the reasons for the results. White subjects respond with greater activation of the amygdala--a region that processes alarm--when shown images of black faces than when shown images of white faces. "One of the amygdala's critical functions is fear-conditioning," says Phelps. "You attend to things that are scary because that's essential for survival." Later studies have shown similar results when black subjects look at white faces.
The brain, of course, is not all amygdala, and there are higher regions that can talk sense to the lower ones. Phelps cites studies showing that when blacks and whites are flashed pictures of faces from the other race so quickly that the subjects weren't consciously aware of seeing them, their amygdalae reacted predictably. When the images were flashed more slowly so that subjects could process them consciously, the anterior cingulate cortex and the dorsolateral prefrontal cortex--regions that temper automatic responses--kicked in.
Phelps conducted other studies in which the images included such friendly faces as Will Smith's and Harrison Ford's and found that this helped control the amygdala too. "The more you think about people as individuals," she says, "the more the brain calms down."
The brain, of course, is not all amygdala, and there are higher regions that can talk sense to the lower ones. Phelps cites studies showing that when blacks and whites are flashed pictures of faces from the other race so quickly that the subjects weren't consciously aware of seeing them, their amygdalae reacted predictably. When the images were flashed more slowly so that subjects could process them consciously, the anterior cingulate cortex and the dorsolateral prefrontal cortex--regions that temper automatic responses--kicked in.
Phelps conducted other studies in which the images included such friendly faces as Will Smith's and Harrison Ford's and found that this helped control the amygdala too. "The more you think about people as individuals," she says, "the more the brain calms down."
full article: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1848769,00.html#ixzz1wW2XGF3J
Other studies, such as this, show a marked decline in "fear" response when the subject is repeatedly exposed to the outside group in question.
The best thing to be done, from a social aspect, is mate (literally or otherwise) the groups in question. If more men see women as hard workers, than the perception will change.
This has been evidenced through integration within the armed forces. As people are (admittedly, forced) together, they become more tolerant.
Spoiler: