Perception and Fapping
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(where to begin...)(note: will use "fap"+derivatives instead of "masturbate"+derivatives - it's faster and less heavy)
So I'd assume that for most people, to consider fapping to something the material has to arouse a person right?
But there's also the issue of self-insertion into the material and whether or not it's "right". Personally, I'm someone who self-inserts to the material: I like to imagine the senses and pleasure the characters feel in the video/doujin I happen to be watching. After all, the point to fapping is pleasure right? For the sake of sanity, I also don't self-insert too much past the pleasant circumstances.
Here's my issue: notice I said "characters" and didn't specify a gender.
Now don't get me wrong, I'm straight (as far as I can tell - and will prove), and to me the idea of even being in the same room as an erect penis makes me extremely uncomfortable. I don't find homosexual material arousing, quite the opposite actually. Hence, when I'm having fantasies or looking at material, I imagine myself as feeling the bodily pleasure the man is feeling.
()But sometimes, I also imagine myself feeling the pleasure that the woman is feeling. I don't have the proper anatomy, so I can't imagine how it feels to be penetrated vaginally, and I personally desire to never feel any of the other forms of sex performed with me as the receiving partner (english: I don't ever want to be on the receiving end of oral/anal/etc. - like I said above, homosexual material both disturbs and disinterests me).
()So what it comes down to, I guess, is that sometimes I self-insert as the female, and imagine the pure, non-physical feelings of pleasure she must be receiving. For what I mean by non-physical pleasure, I mean the sense of sexual pleasure you receive, minus the physical feeling of the body... if that makes any sense.
()Sometimes it feels like it just makes sense to me to self-insert as the female, especially if most of the "screentime" is given to a female and/or the males that show up are either "faceless" or far too many (read: gangbang material). In these cases it just seems to me that the one having the most pleasurable (willing or not be damned) sensations is the female, and so I self-insert.
()As for my reasoning, I mean, it just looks like such pure/so much more pleasure on the females' end some times. They look like they're having such extremely pleasurable orgasms and stimuli sometimes, and like I stated above, the point to fapping is pleasure right?
()Lastly the self-insertion, be it of either gender, is purely automatic and not consciously decided. It's not like I open up a hentai/porn and immediately think "ok, this time I'm going to fap while imagining myself as the guy". How I self-insert usually just develops as I read/watch through the material. Even more unusually, sometimes I imagine the pleasure being received by both the man and the woman.
So, what have I stated (a.k.a. a bad tl;dr version):
- I am straight - I do not find anything with the slightest homosexual tone to be interesting and actually personally repulsive
- I self-insert into the material... - I can't see it any other way
- ...But sometimes I self-insert as the female, not with any desire to physically feel their sensations, but all the pleasure they must be feeling
So, is self-insertion into hentai/porn wrong? And in specific, does self-insertion as the opposite gender have any implications or consequences?
Do you self-insert? Do you sometimes find yourself wondering how much pleasure the female must be feeling?
aside: this "self-insertion as a female" is the reason I can sometimes find NTR material to be arousing, despite my previous (and so far, only other) topic. By self-inserting as a female, I don't have to deal with imagining all the negative feelings the cuckolded must feel, and so the mental barrier to pleasure is gone. If I don't self-insert as a female when reading NTR (or can't for various reasons), then NTR just upsets me too much.
So I'd assume that for most people, to consider fapping to something the material has to arouse a person right?
But there's also the issue of self-insertion into the material and whether or not it's "right". Personally, I'm someone who self-inserts to the material: I like to imagine the senses and pleasure the characters feel in the video/doujin I happen to be watching. After all, the point to fapping is pleasure right? For the sake of sanity, I also don't self-insert too much past the pleasant circumstances.
Here's my issue: notice I said "characters" and didn't specify a gender.
Now don't get me wrong, I'm straight (as far as I can tell - and will prove), and to me the idea of even being in the same room as an erect penis makes me extremely uncomfortable. I don't find homosexual material arousing, quite the opposite actually. Hence, when I'm having fantasies or looking at material, I imagine myself as feeling the bodily pleasure the man is feeling.
()But sometimes, I also imagine myself feeling the pleasure that the woman is feeling. I don't have the proper anatomy, so I can't imagine how it feels to be penetrated vaginally, and I personally desire to never feel any of the other forms of sex performed with me as the receiving partner (english: I don't ever want to be on the receiving end of oral/anal/etc. - like I said above, homosexual material both disturbs and disinterests me).
()So what it comes down to, I guess, is that sometimes I self-insert as the female, and imagine the pure, non-physical feelings of pleasure she must be receiving. For what I mean by non-physical pleasure, I mean the sense of sexual pleasure you receive, minus the physical feeling of the body... if that makes any sense.
()Sometimes it feels like it just makes sense to me to self-insert as the female, especially if most of the "screentime" is given to a female and/or the males that show up are either "faceless" or far too many (read: gangbang material). In these cases it just seems to me that the one having the most pleasurable (willing or not be damned) sensations is the female, and so I self-insert.
()As for my reasoning, I mean, it just looks like such pure/so much more pleasure on the females' end some times. They look like they're having such extremely pleasurable orgasms and stimuli sometimes, and like I stated above, the point to fapping is pleasure right?
()Lastly the self-insertion, be it of either gender, is purely automatic and not consciously decided. It's not like I open up a hentai/porn and immediately think "ok, this time I'm going to fap while imagining myself as the guy". How I self-insert usually just develops as I read/watch through the material. Even more unusually, sometimes I imagine the pleasure being received by both the man and the woman.
So, what have I stated (a.k.a. a bad tl;dr version):
- I am straight - I do not find anything with the slightest homosexual tone to be interesting and actually personally repulsive
- I self-insert into the material... - I can't see it any other way
- ...But sometimes I self-insert as the female, not with any desire to physically feel their sensations, but all the pleasure they must be feeling
So, is self-insertion into hentai/porn wrong? And in specific, does self-insertion as the opposite gender have any implications or consequences?
Do you self-insert? Do you sometimes find yourself wondering how much pleasure the female must be feeling?
aside: this "self-insertion as a female" is the reason I can sometimes find NTR material to be arousing, despite my previous (and so far, only other) topic. By self-inserting as a female, I don't have to deal with imagining all the negative feelings the cuckolded must feel, and so the mental barrier to pleasure is gone. If I don't self-insert as a female when reading NTR (or can't for various reasons), then NTR just upsets me too much.
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bongzilla
Your Weird Cousin
Nothing wrong with it. If you self-insert into materials as female, it doesn't (necessarily) mean you want to be female. The way you explained it sounds pretty simple (even if the way you explained it was complicated and full of too many "I'M NOT GAY" references, but I'll not get into that...). Basically, you see someone recieving pleasure, and you imagine yourself recieving an equal amount of pleasure. Differences in gender with the person you're viewing shouldn't be a big deal... in fact, I'd say focusing on another's sensations and arousal during sex is part of what makes pleasurable sex actually pleasurable.
Seriously, don't think too hard about it, you'll just end up developing some sort of neurosis or something. Just remember that what feels good to you is what feels good to you, and not to play it against society's arbitrary standards. Human sexuality is not a binary, black or white, gay or straight system; it's a complex, murky gray area. Everyone's at least a little bisexual by nature, so don't feel bad if your fantasies take you somewhere you're not expecting. That's what fantasy is all about...
As for a personal anectdote, one of my favorite fetishes (or whatever you want to call it) is watching women masturbate, alone. I've known for a long time I've had voyeuristic tendencies, and watching a woman take care of her sexual desires as only she can know how... well, that tends to really get me going, almost more so than straight or even lesbian scenes. Of course, there's no men to self-insert in a scene like this, but I tend to focus on the pleasure a woman gives herself, trying to match her pace and climax when she does. I can fantasize about what it must feel like to be in her place, in her body, or even imagine what it is that she fantasizes about while touching herself (of course, being the narcissist that I am, she's always fantasizing about me... wah wah~~).
Seriously, don't think too hard about it, you'll just end up developing some sort of neurosis or something. Just remember that what feels good to you is what feels good to you, and not to play it against society's arbitrary standards. Human sexuality is not a binary, black or white, gay or straight system; it's a complex, murky gray area. Everyone's at least a little bisexual by nature, so don't feel bad if your fantasies take you somewhere you're not expecting. That's what fantasy is all about...
As for a personal anectdote, one of my favorite fetishes (or whatever you want to call it) is watching women masturbate, alone. I've known for a long time I've had voyeuristic tendencies, and watching a woman take care of her sexual desires as only she can know how... well, that tends to really get me going, almost more so than straight or even lesbian scenes. Of course, there's no men to self-insert in a scene like this, but I tend to focus on the pleasure a woman gives herself, trying to match her pace and climax when she does. I can fantasize about what it must feel like to be in her place, in her body, or even imagine what it is that she fantasizes about while touching herself (of course, being the narcissist that I am, she's always fantasizing about me... wah wah~~).
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Heck yeah.
However, afterward you should separate yourself from the fantasy... if you don't, that's when it becomes problematic (i.e. adopting rapist/incestuous/otherwise bad behaviors).
However, afterward you should separate yourself from the fantasy... if you don't, that's when it becomes problematic (i.e. adopting rapist/incestuous/otherwise bad behaviors).
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gizgal wrote...
Heck yeah. However, afterward you should separate yourself from the fantasy... if you don't, that's when it becomes problematic (i.e. adopting rapist/incestuous/otherwise bad behaviors).
Well yes, I'm sane and mature enough to know to separate fantasy and reality.
Plus the obligatory senses of morality and logic that we're given as we grow.
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I thought I was the only person that tried to perceive what the female was experiencing. I certainly don't wish to be female (not that there's anything wrong with that mind you), but I think it spices things up a bit. Besides, it's fantasy :)
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Self-insertion is not wrong I'm sure people do it all the time, hell isn't it better than fapping to other people? As to self-insertion as a girl I'm sure that's fine too. Yes I do self insert, and to the other question only when story dictates it such as genderbenders.
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I'm completely the same way. I actually find myself mentally focused on the feelings of the woman a lot more than the guy.
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Wow, I thought I was the only one who did that. The only difference is that I almost ALWAYS self insert as the female. The male side is so boring in hentai: "Oh, mah penis feels nice right now"
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GroverCleaveland wrote...
Wow, I thought I was the only one who did that. The only difference is that I almost ALWAYS self insert as the female. The male side is so boring in hentai: "Oh, mah penis feels nice right now"This is why 90% of my porn is Yuri
whats better then fapping to a girl? fapping to two girls
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I think its ok.
But now i find some tentacle hentai arousing, as compared to the last time when i actively shunn tentacles
Cos sometimes i imagine myself being a girl, and having all my pleasure spots stimulated at the same time.
I have no idea how a girl would feel having her vagina penetrated...
THE POWER OF IMAGINATION!
but, yea, thats why sometimes looking at VANILLA (does NOT equate to mindbreak/ rape/ unconsensual) tentacle hentai turns me on.
Thats is also why mindbreak hentai makes me feel so shitty.
But now i find some tentacle hentai arousing, as compared to the last time when i actively shunn tentacles
Cos sometimes i imagine myself being a girl, and having all my pleasure spots stimulated at the same time.
I have no idea how a girl would feel having her vagina penetrated...
THE POWER OF IMAGINATION!
but, yea, thats why sometimes looking at VANILLA (does NOT equate to mindbreak/ rape/ unconsensual) tentacle hentai turns me on.
Thats is also why mindbreak hentai makes me feel so shitty.
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I often wish I was a woman in the same situations as some of my more favorite hentais. I'm comfortable as a guy, but I have a very strong desire to know what sex is like from the receiving end. Maybe why I like futa so much?
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sv51macross wrote...
I often wish I was a woman in the same situations as some of my more favorite hentais. I'm comfortable as a guy, but I have a very strong desire to know what sex is like from the receiving end. Maybe why I like futa so much?It would explain my recent fascination with gender-bender doujinshi as well.
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Girlfountain wrote...
GroverCleaveland wrote...
Wow, I thought I was the only one who did that. The only difference is that I almost ALWAYS self insert as the female. The male side is so boring in hentai: "Oh, mah penis feels nice right now"This is why 90% of my porn is Yuri
whats better then fapping to a girl? fapping to two girls
I'm 50-50 on mine, but you have a point about the male side.
I do self-insertion as well, not all the time, but I do it. Nothing wrong with it, but I have yet to imagine as a female. I don't think I'll be doing so any time soon.
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I do the same thing you do sir, and I used to put myself in the female perspective, but I eventually grew out of that. It was not long before I realized, I was not just enjoying watching a male penetrate a female for satisfaction, but watching his penis be sheathed and covered in the females slimy and gooey parts. Or in some cases it was her mouth, and soon I lost my ways of avoiding Yaoi, and recently gay porn.
For the longest time, when I started puberty even, my first perception of sex was with guys. There are guys I know now who are brother or friend zone material, and I would not go there, but back then I was sure it was a phase. Turns out I am actively bisexual (was bi-curious till I kissed a guy and liked it) and could see myself settling down with a man or a woman.
Eh sorry went off on a tangent, anyways, yes I do, it is not wrong in any way, and I think it is the best way to enjoy and even enhance your fapping material.
For the longest time, when I started puberty even, my first perception of sex was with guys. There are guys I know now who are brother or friend zone material, and I would not go there, but back then I was sure it was a phase. Turns out I am actively bisexual (was bi-curious till I kissed a guy and liked it) and could see myself settling down with a man or a woman.
Eh sorry went off on a tangent, anyways, yes I do, it is not wrong in any way, and I think it is the best way to enjoy and even enhance your fapping material.