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EternalReflect
16 years ago
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i was so fucking pissed what rolo did to shirley i mean come on who kills the fucking love interest...then again they did it at the end of season 1 but still it pissed me tha hell off im still pissed<.<
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Kaien
16 years ago
EternalReflect wrote...
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i was so fucking pissed what rolo did to shirley i mean come on who kills the fucking love interest...then again they did it at the end of season 1 but still it pissed me tha hell off im still pissed<.<

Well they did that and made a lot of Suzaku haters happy me included and any ways Euphie and Leluch were related if it went the other way
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Skyler998
16 years ago
Is it me or is COde Geass R2 is ending pretty soon? i mean in the next 2~2 episodes... this has been nicking me in the back what about u guys ?
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razor1n
16 years ago
[quote="The Jesus"]
Anya
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I'm still favoring my theory about Anya switching sides. She has that strange interest in Marianne and I still think that her Knightmare being named Mordred has some significance. She's a hard person to read. In terms of personality, no offense to illumi, but she is kind of Rei-like. I'm looking forward to seeing what happens with her.

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I never really saw her as the betrayer type; but now that you have mentioned it, it keeps popping up in my mind. I do believe her knightmare having the name Mortred might have some significance. Also as an already near robotic human being, manipulating her with information or the geass should be a simple task for Lelouch.


Cornelia
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The instant Jeremiah sided with Lelouch(thus garnering the location of the base of the order) I suspected that Cornelia would change sides. At the end of episode 14 as V.V. crashes into the ground he shouts "Dam you Lelouch!" ( as we all know the external comm system seems to be voice activated alot of the time :? )immediately following this, we see Cornelia's eyes go wide with shock and then Jeremiah jumps in and saves her from the explosion. Possible cosequences of this: 1.Cornelia goes stark raving mad because she knows her foster-brother is responsible for her sister's and Clovis' death 2.Cornelia teams up with Lelouch because he's the only close sibling she has left.


Reversal of roles theory
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throughout the first season, though they were protrayed somewhat as heroes the order of the black knights were often reffered to as criminals and their methods could often be descibed as sneaky or underhanded; meanwhile, Britannia while protrayed more in an antagonist light their characters actions were generally "righteous" fighting to protect the security of their land and protect their honor. While Charles was depected as the pure evil figurehead of a generally good country, Lelouch was the moral head of a corrupt organization.

Now in season two The black knights actions are constantly being questioned internally and as a whole have been generally peaceful: a mass peaceful exodus and freeing the CF from the oppresive rule of the Enunch generals. While the actions of the Britannian soilders have become more and more questionable, like the use of refrain to force a prisoner to talk. The roles of Charles and Lelouch have also switched. Charles is being shown as a man simply tired of lies and weak human hearts. Whereas after Shirley's death, Lelouch plants a bomb on his "brother's" knightmare, and leads a raid on a relatively unarmed reasearch facility slaughtering all the inhabitants.

My conclusion? Lelouch may become the dark figurehead we love to hate, while those close to him slowly drift to the britannian side. Kallen being the first to change sides, wether due to altered memories, drug addiction, or otherwise.


no, we still have quite a ways to go to reach the conclusion of R2. depending on how they move things a third or even fourth season may appear. This series is POPULAR, they're going to milk it for all it's worth
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darthfury79
16 years ago
It's often said that the chances of Milly and Lelouch becoming a couple are slim to none. However, I always felt that a romantic relationship between those two would yield some very interesting and surprising results. Belive it or not, Milly would have been one of the most popular female characters in Code Geass if they had used her in the same fashion as Kallen and C.C. regarding their personal interactions with Lelouch.

But with Shirley's death, we might begin to see her real persona emerge. And this time, she will not take no for an answer.

I feel that Milly is the right person for Lelouch because both of them are very much alike. The problem was that Lelouch has no idea that Milly has strong romantic feelings for him. However, she'll reveal those feelings to him soon enough.

I can't believe that she is the least popular character. It certainly hope that her fanservice increase very soon as I don't believe that she's going anywhere. I can't see her as a person who would give up with a fight.
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The Jesus
16 years ago
razor1n wrote...
Reversal of roles theory
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throughout the first season, though they were protrayed somewhat as heroes the order of the black knights were often reffered to as criminals and their methods could often be descibed as sneaky or underhanded; meanwhile, Britannia while protrayed more in an antagonist light their characters actions were generally "righteous" fighting to protect the security of their land and protect their honor. While Charles was depected as the pure evil figurehead of a generally good country, Lelouch was the moral head of a corrupt organization.

Now in season two The black knights actions are constantly being questioned internally and as a whole have been generally peaceful: a mass peaceful exodus and freeing the CF from the oppresive rule of the Enunch generals. While the actions of the Britannian soilders have become more and more questionable, like the use of refrain to force a prisoner to talk. The roles of Charles and Lelouch have also switched. Charles is being shown as a man simply tired of lies and weak human hearts. Whereas after Shirley's death, Lelouch plants a bomb on his "brother's" knightmare, and leads a raid on a relatively unarmed reasearch facility slaughtering all the inhabitants.

My conclusion? Lelouch may become the dark figurehead we love to hate, while those close to him slowly drift to the britannian side. Kallen being the first to change sides, wether due to altered memories, drug addiction, or otherwise.


I get where you're going with this, but I doubt anyone from the Black Knights will drift to the Britannian side. I can see disgruntled members breaking off and forming their own organization, but the fact of the matter is they're still Japanese and Britannia, regardless of how they see Lelouch, is their enemy.

Honestly, I don't really see a real drastic change in Lelouch's personality. Wiping out the Geass cult was extreme and uncharacteristic of him, but if you really think about it, it would only be a matter of time before they'd have to be dealt with. With V.V. as their leader and his devotion to Charles, it would be inevitable that the cult would become an extremely dangerous enemy. You saw what the kids did to Kinoshita. They look innocent, but just as Rolo was turned into a cold-hearted puppet assassin, any one of them could have turned out the same way. Children and people who are perceived to be innocent can turn out to be the most effective assassins.
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ZeroOBK
16 years ago
Skyler998 wrote...
Is it me or is COde Geass R2 is ending pretty soon? i mean in the next 2~2 episodes... this has been nicking me in the back what about u guys ?
No. It still has a projected 25 episodes. Tomorrow will be episode 15.

@ darthfury79: Don't get your hopes up. If anything, Milly will get less screentime than ever before. Expect her to show up to deliver a single line of dialogue or not show up at all.
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darthfury79
16 years ago
ZeroOBK wrote...
[quote="Skyler998"]
@ darthfury79: Don't get your hopes up. If anything, Milly will get less screentime than ever before. Expect her to show up to deliver a single line of dialogue or not show up at all.


For the next couple of episodes, the chances that Milly will show up to confront Lelouch are slim because he won't be in Tokyo. But I do want to see a resulotion in which Milly finally confronts her feelings to Lelouch. If the writers stated that she was secretly in love with Lelouch, they might as well show that part where they are together to talk about Shirley's death. To me, the only way that Milly will be brought back is for a personal tragedy to happen between her and Lelouch. And Shirley was the catalyst of that. If they can show that Milly confronting Lelouch, in a private setting to explain her feelings to him and his personal reactions by her revelations, I'll be very satisfied with that.
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ZeroOBK
16 years ago
@ darthfury79:
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Even saying that the chance of it is "slim to none" is probably a gross overestimation. Anyway, the 'resolution' you are looking for will probably never appear. For all intents and purposes, Cupid's Day was Milly's 'serious attempt' at gaining Lelouch's affections. It failed. The whole episode just screamed 'closure'. Milly graduates from Ashford, finds a job, and cancels her engagement with Lloyd. It's more likely we'll see her and Rivalz together than anything else, and even that is a slim chance. And judging by Suzaku's recent action towards Kallen, we can say that he'll realize that Lelouch is (still) Zero. That means returning to Ashford for Lelouch and those involved with him is out of the question. So any opportunity to discuss things with the other Ashford students is lost. The best you can reasonably hope for lies with the visual dramas/picture books.

The Jesus wrote...
Other shit
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I watched 2 different subs for this episode. In Suzaku's conversation with Kallen about Shirley, in one he refers to Lelouch as a criminal and in the other I think he calls him "the white." That kind of caught my attention because of all the chess references in CG and the fact that in chess, the white makes the first move. I think its something that might be worth looking into.
There's something going on with Villetta and Ohgi. Not too much has been revealed, only that Diethard has been suspicious of him for a while and that Villetta is gonna try to meet up with him. There could be something going on with their relationship, but it remains to be seen.
I forgot to say this before ...
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... the thing about "the white" is most likely a mistranslation. gg, Eclipse, and Menclave get their RAWs from the same source, and they have the Japanese Closed Captions (CC, lol) to help translate the dialogue. gg and Eclipse both said "criminal" in their fansubs. The word "white" is "shiro" in Japanese, if I'm not mistaken. I can't remember the exact word used, but Suzaku said something like "shiroito" where "shiro" is within a word used that has a completely different meaning.
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darthfury79
16 years ago
ZeroOBK wrote...
@ darthfury79:
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Even saying that the chance of it is "slim to none" is probably a gross overestimation. Anyway, the 'resolution' you are looking for will probably never appear. For all intents and purposes, Cupid's Day was Milly's 'serious attempt' at gaining Lelouch's affections. It failed. The whole episode just screamed 'closure'. Milly graduates from Ashford, finds a job, and cancels her engagement with Lloyd. It's more likely we'll see her and Rivalz together than anything else, and even that is a slim chance. And judging by Suzaku's recent action towards Kallen, we can say that he'll realize that Lelouch is (still) Zero. That means returning to Ashford for Lelouch and those involved with him is out of the question. So any opportunity to discuss things with the other Ashford students is lost. The best you can reasonably hope for lies with the visual dramas/picture books.



From a logical standpoint, I have always believed that Cupid's Day was staged by Milly to get Shirley and Lelouch together, in which his lists of dates that he had scheduled for the next 6 months with the 108 girls at Ashford Academy would be cancelled.

I must agree with you that it's very unlikely that Lelouch will ever return to Ashford Academy if Suzaku's suspecions are confirmed. The only way for Lelouch could go around that fate is for C.C. to don the Zero outfit. Suzaku would have to see Lelouch and Zero at the same time to know that Lelouch is no longer Zero. This way, Suzaku would have no choice but to leave Lelouch alone.

But I feel that Lelouch will want to return to Ashford Academy to have a normal life. Otherwise, Zero/Leouch will go insane. He wants to be with his friends. The only people that he has left at school is Rivalz. And the only other true friend that he has left is former Ex-Class President and former classmate Milly Ashford. Everyone else is gone.
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ZeroOBK
16 years ago
@ darthfury79 once again:
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You would be right about Milly staging Cupid's Day to get Lelouch and Shirley together, except everyone in the mother fucking school was hunting Lelouch down on HER orders. She evens admit to being 'serious' after ninja Sayoko appears behind her. So, her getting Lelouch and Shirley together was her 'pretense' and not her real intention.

Suzaku himself stated that he always felt that Lelouch was a criminal. After seeing the million Zeroes escape, I doubt he would fall for the 'Zero and Lelouch at the same place' thing. Not to mention that's the first trick Lelouch used in R2 after regaining his memories. He had CC pretend to be Zero at the Chinese Embassy while he went back to Ashford. Granted Suzaku wasn't around for that, but surely he must've read a report stating as much.

Lelouch chose to destroy the Geass Cult over going to Shirley's funeral. Even if Suzaku doesn't immediately try to kill him, there's bound to be some tension between him and his 'friends' for not going to it. Things won't be 'normal' and they will never be 'normal' again. Let's not forget he has two more Knights to deal with there. And now that Lelouch has decided to kill Rolo, preserving their 'rightful place' no longer has any value.

And how is Milly a 'true' friend while Rivalz is simply a friend?
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The Jesus
16 years ago
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On the subject of Lelouch going back to Ashford, its unlikely, but not impossible. He is an intelligent person, he's able to manipulate situations with and without his Geass. One excuse he could use for not going to Shirley's funeral is that he was too emotionally distraught to go. Of all the characters at Ashford, he had the closest personal relationship with her, so that is a viable excuse.

Personally, if Lelouch manages to survive in the end, I think that there will be some kind of. Think about the relationship between Lelouch and his friends in relation to Cornelia's stance in the war. Look at how she's changed from her first appearance to right now. If she is capable of such a shift in perspective, I don't see how it would be totally impossible for Milly and Rivalz, if anyone, to come to some kind of understanding with Lulu.
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alostdude
16 years ago
just finished watching episode 15
from what i could tell some crazy stuff happens
also the stream freezing on C.C ass was great
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TheJ4cK
16 years ago
cupids day was originally an attempt to gain lelouch's attention / affection / whatever. you can see it by watching the scenes where milly didn't wear that relaxed and happy face of hers:
1. she secretly cried in the shower
2. shortly before she announced the start of the event, she got quite serious and then annouced that SHE WANTS LELOUCH
when she realized that she has lost to shirley, she claimed her event to be for shirley's and lelouch's sake to have an excuse.
besides sayoko said: "but you were quite serious isn't it?" and milly comfirmed secretly.
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darthfury79
16 years ago
TheJ4cK wrote...
cupids day was originally an attempt to gain lelouch's attention / affection / whatever. you can see it by watching the scenes where milly didn't wear that relaxed and happy face of hers:
1. she secretly cried in the shower
2. shortly before she announced the start of the event, she got quite serious and then annouced that SHE WANTS LELOUCH
when she realized that she has lost to shirley, she claimed her event to be for shirley's and lelouch's sake to have an excuse.
besides sayoko said: "but you were quite serious isn't it?" and milly comfirmed secretly.


That's true. However, Shirley is now gone. And so, I look at this moment for Milly to finally stepup to the plate and directly tell Lelouch how she feels about him. After the Cupid's Day episode, I suspected that the only way for Milly to confess her love for Lelouch was for Shirley to die, in which she has.

I believe that the reason why she was crying in the shower scene was not because of what Nina had told her. But it was because she had learned that Lelouch was scheduled to date each of the 108 girls at Ashford Academy for the next 6 month. And that had upset her a get deal. Now that Sayoko knows that Milly is in love with Lelouch, she might be the one to tell him about Milly's secret love for him. Sayoko now knows that Lelouch is Zero.

While it is a long shot, I still believe that Milly will get Lelouch in the end. C.C. is out of the way, and perhaps Kallen. So it's still possible. Only the future episodes will tell if I am right or not.

In addition to Shirley's funneral, I suspect that Milly is very angery that Lelouch wasn't present to pay his last respects to her. Milly is going to want a very good explanation to why he didn't attend the funneral. And this time, she is not going to go away. We might just see another side of Milly's personality that could rival Kallen's own persona.

No doubt that Shirley's death has changed Milly Ashford. But it might have just made her more determine than ever to aggressively confront Lelouch with her feelings toward him. One way or another. She may not be a student at Ashford Academy anymore. But that doesn't mean that we won't see her again. We can at least count on that.
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okami
16 years ago
but if milly does tell lulu she likes him she will seem like an oppurtunist or something and thats just unlikeable for many people.. well, for me anyway.. but that would really be quite a twist~

im still rooting for CC though.. or maybe Anya.. yeah~
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The Jesus
16 years ago
Honestly after the events of the past few episodes it seems to me that she'll wind up with Lelouch. I know, a couple episodes ago I was saying it would either be Shirley or no one, but I didn't anticipate her death and that did kind of sway my opinion. I agree that Shirley being dead might be what influences Milly to be more assertive about her feeling for Lelouch. Its also worth noting that she is the only one, aside from Suzaku, and eventually Kallen, who knew Lelouch was a former Britannian prince.

On the subject of her crying in the shower, it was at least in part about what Nina said. Nina basically called her on the fact that she was fake about everything she was. At Ashford she was the one who gave orders, but really didn't actually do much herself. You notice that it wasn't until after the incident with Nina that she chose to graduate, giving up her position of power as student council president, broke off her engagement to Lloyd, and started to do things for herself without hiding behind her name and status in society.

Milly had control of an army, not in the military sense, as the student council president. She was able to give out commands from behind the microphone and although she did play a seemingly active role in the events at Ashford, it was really the students who did all the work which is similar to Lelouch/Zero's role as leader of the Black Knights.

I really don't see Lelouch ending up with C.C. or Kallen. That's not to say that either of them being with him couldn't work. Its just that I don't see the writers taking either of those roads as it would seem too predictable, which would be uncharacteristic of Code Geass.
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Seph
16 years ago
Eclipse has finished subbing the new episode.
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Afroman
16 years ago
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Wow... just wow. I thought Lelouch killed his father. I was like "HOLY SHIT RIGHT IN THE BEGINNING HE DIES!" but when he got up I was like "What the hell?" and the whole entire contract thing is on another level. I thought the contract was to get revenge for Lelouch's mother... but it ended up being killing her. People saying "It's impossible for C.C. and Lelouch to be in love." lol well this episode just said otherwise. This was some crazy ass shit. C.C. lost all her memories of Lelouch... in the preview she was takin off her top lmao. Think she's gonna try and "service" him. Her memories wow... that has to suck. If she acted that way when back then like she is to Lelouch I really feel sorry for her. If I had immortality like her I'd want to die as well.

Forum Image: http://img225.imagevenue.com/loc63/th_86190_Lol_123_63lo.jpgI can hear it now next episode on this part. "I will provide my services to my Master."
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ZeroOBK
16 years ago
@ darthfury79: Since it's obvious you have a strong belief in that pairing, it's pointless to continue this discussion. Let's just see how things turn out.

Turn 15:
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Hmm ... this episode was actually less of an introspective than I thought. Charles 'kills' VV and gains his immortality. Apparently, VV actually liked Marianne. Strange. Anyway, Charles seems to need to do something with CC ... He already had immortality, so what would he need from her? Use her as a vessel to reach Marianne maybe? I feel like I missed something ...

This episode made me think that Suzaku isn't quite right in the head. I don't mean to say he's mentally unbalanced (though there's that, too). But I wonder if his connection to Geass makes it so that Lelouch and Suzaku subconsciously alter each other's behaviors ... He has a sudden vision of Lelouch right before he Refrains Kallen, and throws down the Refrain device. He goes to Ashford and finds that Intelligence is under the Geass effect. Odds of there being another school episode has basically dropped to zero.

So, CC's wish is to die. If you didn't see that coming, I don't think you've been paying attention. We see a lot of her past, including how she gets her own Geass and how she gets her immortality. Apparently, it is possible to go from a single-eye Geass to a double-eye Geass. In the end, she loses a lot of her memories, seemingly all of them after she obtained her Geass. In a way, I guess you could say that CC is dead, or at least killed a part of herself. It's possible that this CC wants her original wish to come true, the wish that manifested her Geass in that way. Well, it looks like Lelouch has his work cut out for him now ...

Nina has finished her bomb. It's probably nuclear, though we can't say for certain yet. Schneizel might have to be defeated before Lelouch can reach Charles.

Hurray for Nunnally! She asserts her authority over Miss Romeyer and points out that Suzaku has been lying to her.

Next episode preview: A new knight appears before Kallen while she's wearing her push-up bra.
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