[Anime] Fate/kaleid liner Prisma Illya 2wei!
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The "people nowadays have shorter attention spans" is just a theory. As I said, I didn't do any research in regards to that so I could be completely wrong.
There are generally 2 kinds of Magical Girl shows.
Either a) they cater to children, which is basically a girls version of Power Rangers
or b) They cater to Otakus because those have more money to spend on DVDs/BDs and merchandise in general (kids, or their parents rather, are still a big contributor to the industry, but what those lack in "money spent per person" they make up for greater numbers of merchandise purchases)
If we'd have to categorize Prisma Illya under one of the cases I presented above, then it's obviously an anime of the latter variaty.
Doesn't necessarily mean that it's a bad thing. Not every Magical Girl show has to be Madoka Magica. I mean, I really enjoyed Prisma Illya simply because of all the Fate elements they throw in. For everyone else, just treat it for what it is: just a spin-off, nothing more, nothing less. The existence of spin-offs of a popular series doesn't mean that it makes lower the quality of the franchise as a whole.
If that was the case, something like Code Geass or to a larger extent Gundam wouldn't be nearly as recognized as they are.
There are generally 2 kinds of Magical Girl shows.
Either a) they cater to children, which is basically a girls version of Power Rangers
or b) They cater to Otakus because those have more money to spend on DVDs/BDs and merchandise in general (kids, or their parents rather, are still a big contributor to the industry, but what those lack in "money spent per person" they make up for greater numbers of merchandise purchases)
If we'd have to categorize Prisma Illya under one of the cases I presented above, then it's obviously an anime of the latter variaty.
Doesn't necessarily mean that it's a bad thing. Not every Magical Girl show has to be Madoka Magica. I mean, I really enjoyed Prisma Illya simply because of all the Fate elements they throw in. For everyone else, just treat it for what it is: just a spin-off, nothing more, nothing less. The existence of spin-offs of a popular series doesn't mean that it makes lower the quality of the franchise as a whole.
If that was the case, something like Code Geass or to a larger extent Gundam wouldn't be nearly as recognized as they are.
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TheJ4cK wrote...
The "people nowadays have shorter attention spans" is just a theory. As I said, I didn't do any research in regards to that so I could be completely wrong.Well, its already evident with the shows they are making so even without further research, I'm convinced on that part.
TheJ4cK wrote...
If we'd have to categorize Prisma Illya under one of the cases I presented above, then it's obviously an anime of the latter variaty.
Doesn't necessarily mean that it's a bad thing. Not every Magical Girl show has to be Madoka Magica. I mean, I really enjoyed Prisma Illya simply because of all the Fate elements they throw in. For everyone else, just treat it for what it is: just a spin-off, nothing more, nothing less. The existence of spin-offs of a popular series doesn't mean that it makes lower the quality of the franchise as a whole.
If that was the case, something like Code Geass or to a larger extent Gundam wouldn't be nearly as recognized as they are.
For alternate universes like spin-offs, it is either a hit or miss. Faithful fans may be easily offended but that can also count as them being not open minded. But it will still depend whether the spin-off will be good or bad because it is bad, then I can understand why they are so bitter about it.
-DarkdaemonPK2
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You have not addressed the fact that F/K stands for many things wrong with the industry. That is fairly negative impact on F/K.
Fate/Hollow Ataraxia. Second chance for everyone and actually canon, all you need to do is put effort into a machine translation and play the VN. Not hard.
Like I said it's for a specific demographic, meaning some people won't get anything out of it and I've acknowledged the fact that I'm not their ideal viewer. However that doesn't change the fact that even for someone outside of the demographic, I can see it's low quality. The fight scenes are pretty lights, a literal cut-paste of everything that animators recently have decided to slack off with beauty in form and impact. Cowboy Bebop and Fate/Zero knew their stuff, even Hitsugi no Chaika hit manageable. Under the Dog's had to hit Kickstarter to get funded, and even before that with barely any money or reputation to their name they made a thirteen minute trailer with mindbogglingly beautiful fight clips. F/K has a massive budget and manages below average fight scenes, even with the dilution of funds they had a considerable amount of money.
F/K plays at getting dark. The moeblobness that drew in it's initial viewers keeps stopping it from carrying momentum in dark scenes like Illya's wistfulness on the rooftop only to interrupted by "lol yuri". Even then those dark scenes are pathetic, if you look at the show from the beginning of the series to now these tragic events are insignificant in long term, they literally just brush off everything and continue their "lol yurism" unabated because that's the main focus of the show. In fact the idea of making this series dark confuses me, the writer is clearly not capable at it and the fans who prefer "lol yuri" will get less of what they want.
It's my firm recommendation, no my hope that you will please reassess that statement after you've experienced some form of the main Fate/Stay Night material, because I am sure you will get something out of it and it's a chance to uphold that open mindedness that you told J4ck about. It doesn't' hurt to try it since your opinion that F/K being enough to satisfy can still hold after you've tried the rest and you can get a better idea of the series as a whole.
I respect your right to stand by the choice to adore F/K, likewise every time F/K is brought up I will always(unless someone makes a very convincing rebuttal) stand against it.
DarkdaemonPK2 wrote...
And they gave Ilya a second chance of giving her a normal life compared to her "original" life in the original series.Fate/Hollow Ataraxia. Second chance for everyone and actually canon, all you need to do is put effort into a machine translation and play the VN. Not hard.
DarkdaemonPK2 wrote...
I'm just still baffled on what WideEyedMan mentioned about the execution part. Since this is a mahÅ shÅjo show, then it should be all girly and magical and pretty and pink? Is that what is it supposed to be? Sorry about that but I may be over-thinking again but personally, I like my mahÅ shÅjo series to be violent and dark; or perhaps I'm just watching the wrong genre at all.Like I said it's for a specific demographic, meaning some people won't get anything out of it and I've acknowledged the fact that I'm not their ideal viewer. However that doesn't change the fact that even for someone outside of the demographic, I can see it's low quality. The fight scenes are pretty lights, a literal cut-paste of everything that animators recently have decided to slack off with beauty in form and impact. Cowboy Bebop and Fate/Zero knew their stuff, even Hitsugi no Chaika hit manageable. Under the Dog's had to hit Kickstarter to get funded, and even before that with barely any money or reputation to their name they made a thirteen minute trailer with mindbogglingly beautiful fight clips. F/K has a massive budget and manages below average fight scenes, even with the dilution of funds they had a considerable amount of money.
F/K plays at getting dark. The moeblobness that drew in it's initial viewers keeps stopping it from carrying momentum in dark scenes like Illya's wistfulness on the rooftop only to interrupted by "lol yuri". Even then those dark scenes are pathetic, if you look at the show from the beginning of the series to now these tragic events are insignificant in long term, they literally just brush off everything and continue their "lol yurism" unabated because that's the main focus of the show. In fact the idea of making this series dark confuses me, the writer is clearly not capable at it and the fans who prefer "lol yuri" will get less of what they want.
DarkdaemonPK2 wrote...
And no, I have not played or watched the original media yet but even if I will not have the opportunity to do that, it is alright; this spin-off is already plenty for me. It's my firm recommendation, no my hope that you will please reassess that statement after you've experienced some form of the main Fate/Stay Night material, because I am sure you will get something out of it and it's a chance to uphold that open mindedness that you told J4ck about. It doesn't' hurt to try it since your opinion that F/K being enough to satisfy can still hold after you've tried the rest and you can get a better idea of the series as a whole.
I respect your right to stand by the choice to adore F/K, likewise every time F/K is brought up I will always(unless someone makes a very convincing rebuttal) stand against it.
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WideEyedMan wrote...
You have not addressed the fact that F/K stands for many things wrong with the industry. That is fairly negative impact on F/K.DarkdaemonPK2 wrote...
And they gave Ilya a second chance of giving her a normal life compared to her "original" life in the original series.Fate/Hollow Ataraxia. Second chance for everyone and actually canon, all you need to do is put effort into a machine translation and play the VN. Not hard.
DarkdaemonPK2 wrote...
I'm just still baffled on what WideEyedMan mentioned about the execution part. Since this is a mahÅ shÅjo show, then it should be all girly and magical and pretty and pink? Is that what is it supposed to be? Sorry about that but I may be over-thinking again but personally, I like my mahÅ shÅjo series to be violent and dark; or perhaps I'm just watching the wrong genre at all.Like I said it's for a specific demographic, meaning some people won't get anything out of it and I've acknowledged the fact that I'm not their ideal viewer. However that doesn't change the fact that even for someone outside of the demographic, I can see it's low quality. The fight scenes are pretty lights, a literal cut-paste of everything that animators recently have decided to slack off with beauty in form and impact. Cowboy Bebop and Fate/Zero knew their stuff, even Hitsugi no Chaika hit manageable. Under the Dog's had to hit Kickstarter to get funded, and even before that with barely any money or reputation to their name they made a thirteen minute trailer with mindbogglingly beautiful fight clips. F/K has a massive budget and manages below average fight scenes, even with the dilution of funds they had a considerable amount of money.
F/K plays at getting dark. The moeblobness that drew in it's initial viewers keeps stopping it from carrying momentum in dark scenes like Illya's wistfulness on the rooftop only to interrupted by "lol yuri". Even then those dark scenes are pathetic, if you look at the show from the beginning of the series to now these tragic events are insignificant in long term, they literally just brush off everything and continue their "lol yurism" unabated because that's the main focus of the show. In fact the idea of making this series dark confuses me, the writer is clearly not capable at it and the fans who prefer "lol yuri" will get less of what they want.
DarkdaemonPK2 wrote...
And no, I have not played or watched the original media yet but even if I will not have the opportunity to do that, it is alright; this spin-off is already plenty for me. It's my firm recommendation, no my hope that you will please reassess that statement after you've experienced some form of the main Fate/Stay Night material, because I am sure you will get something out of it and it's a chance to uphold that open mindedness that you told J4ck about. It doesn't' hurt to try it since your opinion that F/K being enough to satisfy can still hold after you've tried the rest and you can get a better idea of the series as a whole.
I respect your right to stand by the choice to adore F/K, likewise every time F/K is brought up I will always(unless someone makes a very convincing rebuttal) stand against it.
Wow, that sure is a lot of things you have pointed out, sir. I have a mountain of work to do right now so if it will be alright with you to wait for a couple of days or a week at maximum, I'll be able to reply with all of your arguments. Thank you for your time.
-DarkdaemonPK2