Portrayal of Americans in anime?
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Flaser
OCD Hentai Collector
Yukito-kun wrote...
Flaser wrote...
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Eagleland...the article says all.
TV Tropes wrote...
Flavor 2: A wretched country full of jerkasses who just got real lucky and like to hide behind their inflated military budget. Americans come into your country either as tourists or invaders, thinking that they own the place and that they rightfully deserve everything. Not only are they less intelligent and less cultured than you, but they also have the gall to look down and patronize you, while proudly waving around the little flags which they carry around everywhere. They're fat, with a diet solely consisting of fast food and television, or Moral Guardians, or trigger-happy cowboys from the Deep South, or shameless anorexic rich bitches from Hollywood California. They fail geography forever. Always.
As an American myself I take exception to that, I'm not loud, think our country ready should mind it's own business and when I visit a foreign country I act like a guest (what I am), I'm not entitled to anything different or special based on the particular section of the Earth I come from, I'm quite skilled in geography and I am relatively humble. Not all Americans are alike and grouping a particular type of people as all being similar, in a derogatory manner or not is just not right. All Asians are not good at math, own personal robots or anything else, just like sol Europeans aren't culturally snobby, irritating and seem to think that they're better than Americans. Everyone should be judged on an individual basis and not be held accountable for the shortcomings of their nation if origin. That's just me though...
Way to prove the point.
If you bothered to check the article I quoted or what the topic's about you'd know that we're talking about how Americans are *portrayed* in anime, not how they are.
Why did you feel it necessary to go on this tirade extolling your own "good qualities"? Come to think of it, how does extolling your own virtues fit the definition of being humble? For that matter, if the discussion was about how Americans are (which it wasn't) why do you speak of your own qualities instead that of your nation as whole?
askakorean.blogspot.com/2011/04/koran-burning-and-cowardly-shield-of.html
Ask Korean! wrote...
What the Korean does reject is this: hiding behind individualism at the face of a collective-directed effect. Collective action holds as much truth as individualism. Much of what we do is done as a collective, and such collective action, in most cases, affects another collective wholesale, not tailored to individuals. The clearest illustration of this is from John Howard Griffin, a white journalist who darkened his skin to experience life as a black man in the segregation-era South. After numerous experiences of being unable to find a storekeeper who would let him use the bathroom or a public bathroom open for blacks, Griffin wrote in his book, Black Like Me:But at the time of the rebuff, even when the rebuff is impersonal, such as holding his bladder until he can find a “Colored” sign, the Negro cannot rationalize. He feels it personally and it burns him. It gives him a view of the white man that the white can never understand; for if the Negro is part of the black mass, the white is always the individual, and he will sincerely deny that he is “like that,” he has always tried to be fair and kind to the Negro. Such men are offended to find Negroes suspicious of them, never realizing the Negro cannot understand how — since as individuals they are decent and “good” to the colored — the white as a group can still contrive to arrange life so that it destroys the Negro’s sense of personal value, degrades his human dignity, deadens the fiber of his being.
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Flaser wrote...
Yukito-kun wrote...
Flaser wrote...
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Eagleland...the article says all.
TV Tropes wrote...
Flavor 2: A wretched country full of jerkasses who just got real lucky and like to hide behind their inflated military budget. Americans come into your country either as tourists or invaders, thinking that they own the place and that they rightfully deserve everything. Not only are they less intelligent and less cultured than you, but they also have the gall to look down and patronize you, while proudly waving around the little flags which they carry around everywhere. They're fat, with a diet solely consisting of fast food and television, or Moral Guardians, or trigger-happy cowboys from the Deep South, or shameless anorexic rich bitches from Hollywood California. They fail geography forever. Always.
As an American myself I take exception to that, I'm not loud, think our country ready should mind it's own business and when I visit a foreign country I act like a guest (what I am), I'm not entitled to anything different or special based on the particular section of the Earth I come from, I'm quite skilled in geography and I am relatively humble. Not all Americans are alike and grouping a particular type of people as all being similar, in a derogatory manner or not is just not right. All Asians are not good at math, own personal robots or anything else, just like sol Europeans aren't culturally snobby, irritating and seem to think that they're better than Americans. Everyone should be judged on an individual basis and not be held accountable for the shortcomings of their nation if origin. That's just me though...
Way to prove the point.
If you bothered to check the article I quoted or what the topic's about you'd know that we're talking about how Americans are *portrayed* in anime, not how they are.
Why did you feel it necessary to go on this tirade extolling your own "good qualities"? Come to think of it, how does extolling your own virtues fit the definition of being humble? For that matter, if the discussion was about how Americans are (which it wasn't) why do you speak of your own qualities instead that of your nation as whole?
askakorean.blogspot.com/2011/04/koran-burning-and-cowardly-shield-of.html
Ask Korean! wrote...
What the Korean does reject is this: hiding behind individualism at the face of a collective-directed effect. Collective action holds as much truth as individualism. Much of what we do is done as a collective, and such collective action, in most cases, affects another collective wholesale, not tailored to individuals. The clearest illustration of this is from John Howard Griffin, a white journalist who darkened his skin to experience life as a black man in the segregation-era South. After numerous experiences of being unable to find a storekeeper who would let him use the bathroom or a public bathroom open for blacks, Griffin wrote in his book, Black Like Me:But at the time of the rebuff, even when the rebuff is impersonal, such as holding his bladder until he can find a “Colored” sign, the Negro cannot rationalize. He feels it personally and it burns him. It gives him a view of the white man that the white can never understand; for if the Negro is part of the black mass, the white is always the individual, and he will sincerely deny that he is “like that,” he has always tried to be fair and kind to the Negro. Such men are offended to find Negroes suspicious of them, never realizing the Negro cannot understand how — since as individuals they are decent and “good” to the colored — the white as a group can still contrive to arrange life so that it destroys the Negro’s sense of personal value, degrades his human dignity, deadens the fiber of his being.
The link didn't open on my phone so I couldn't read the article, incidentally I'm just saying that not everyone meets the stereotype, not that I'm great or anything, or that anyone is inferior to anyone else inherently, what I was talking about was that the stereotype doesn't necessarily apply and the idea that it influences some people is irritating to me. I'd like to say though that you are an articulate person, I respect your argumentative skills and your picture is in fact win, but regardless do you see what I'm driving at, or at least any validity in my statement. I have negative points, but they don't apply to the stereotype. Trust me I'm not great by any stretch of the imagination.
[edit] I rep'd you for that though, you clearly are a good debater
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Room101
Waifu Collector
Eagleland ver. 2 all the way.
Muv Luv gives a particularly hilarious example
Not particularly surprised given America's past political decisions and all, but hey, someone has to play international jerk.
It comes with being a superpower that defeated Japan at least once. I'm willing to assume if say, British or French beaten the snot out of everyone in Asia, we would be talking about them right now.
Muv Luv gives a particularly hilarious example
Not particularly surprised given America's past political decisions and all, but hey, someone has to play international jerk.
It comes with being a superpower that defeated Japan at least once. I'm willing to assume if say, British or French beaten the snot out of everyone in Asia, we would be talking about them right now.
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Iamnotchrishansen wrote...
Militant, fat, cockyI see this in anime more for white Americans. The Black American population portrayed in animes I've seen tend to make them rappers from the ghetto lol.
P.S. your signature disturbs me.
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From my experience, a typical non-jerk American portrayed in anime tends to be a lot like Suoh from Ouran Highschool Host Club, who, though actually French, still manages to pull off almost all of the Eagleland trope by being loud, obnoxious, and annoying, but nice, easy to get to know, and willing to help, even if said help is clumsy and occasionally counter productive. Good guy Eagle landers can always be counted on to do the right thing...after they have exhausted all other possibilities.
When evil, they tend to be either just really dark villains with no morality and a penchant for turning things from bad to worse for everyone involved, or good guys who just happen to be on the wrong side.
When evil, they tend to be either just really dark villains with no morality and a penchant for turning things from bad to worse for everyone involved, or good guys who just happen to be on the wrong side.
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Militaristic war-machines. And douchebags.
Sure, they call it "Britannia". But we all know what they're subtly implying here. It's a very, very clever reference only the smartest of us will understand. *cough*
Sure, they call it "Britannia". But we all know what they're subtly implying here. It's a very, very clever reference only the smartest of us will understand. *cough*