Why does no one embed subs anymore?

I used to remember a time when every subbed Anime I would download had pretty, colorful subtitles. Some still do, but usually I have to use VLC's subtitles option. This would be fine except when I want to put something on my PSP, there aren't any subs because the only ones embedded are the OP's.

This probably isn't a huge issue to anyone else (I'm grateful people sub at all, yeah,) but when did embedding subs go out of style?

You mean like this one?

Not that fancy looking, but yes, that's what I mean.

Example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8p0ztVSeJEY

(Not turning this into a Clannad thread. Just an example.)

Yes those Clannad ones are pretty pleasant.

The only thing I hate is when they put some pretty crappy and UNreadable font. It's pretty bad when you're trying to pay attention and you can't even read the substitles well.

That's what I miss about AVI files. I just fail to see the point of H264 anime. It is a waste of time, and space to have anime MKV files. AVI was easier and just more convenient. *shrugs*

maybe because they just think it's too much hassle of selecting the appropriate font, color, and effect...or to say,
面倒くさい....

@sei: omg is the cg sub real? yeah, i know the lyrics are off but does that kinda sub really exist? i know i wanna watch...

I know some Anime that don't even have colored or fancy subs, just embedded anyway. Just a pet peeve of mine, I suppose. Oh well.

Even though its h264 they still hardsub the opening and ending lyrics in the style your looking for. I haven't come across bad subtitles unless its from some anime over 10 years old. Usually they use some good-looking font with a border and maybe a drop shadow. I have come across sometimes where I didn't have the font and it just used the default vobsub properties but usually encoders include the font in the file.

Also, you can use a program called Alltoavi to embed the subtitles and convert it to avi, then you can convert it to anything else from there.

lol did GG do that? That just reminded me of their download page.

I'm just grateful that the subs aren't like yellow-crap-can't-read-at-all text like the official people use.

Only for the OP of a single episode done by gg (I think).

Yeah, crap they also get wrong. Example, a line from the DearS OP.

Fansub: "Because you are so special!"

Official DVD: "Because you are the special!"

Jesus.

So wait...I think I'm failing at understanding you all.


So, you're saying that fansubbers are now only hardsubbing the Opening Credits and the show is softsubbed? (I know this is untrue, but that's the basic gist I get when reading TC post.)

I'm not a big fan of hardsubs.

Correct. But some subbers also have .avi versions. Example: Eclipse
Either they offer a mkv with h264 encoded video, an audio track, and subtitles or a straight .avi. Mkvs are pretty useful for multiple audio and for subbing in multiple languages and allow you to put any type of video,audio,subtitle track you want. This allows for a much higher quality work.

That annoys me so much because you can tell they put almost no effort into it, geez why dont the companies hire db or something lol.

I do quite a bit of fansubbing im not an encoder so someone correct me if im wrong on some parts but ill shed some light on this. Also i realize my consistency in thought sucks and so does my wording so forgive me for that.

Firstly~ VLC sucks don't use it. Use MPC. If you need help setting it up ill help you on irc. As far as fonts go If its mkv file you can change them yourself. Grab a program called Aegisub and you can change it to your liking. That will make a .ass file you can use later. Softsub and turn off the mkv fonts. Fonts also are not supposed to be colorful. If they are they are distracting to the viewer in most cases. Although in some cases it is good if it blends into the background. If you don't notice the subs but still read them the font style is doing its job. Better to be a bit plain that to be bad and out of place. As far as not having them show up on your psp that is because its mkv. mkv is a container that holds sub file fonts audio and video files. So your psp may be able to read the video and audio in the mkv but not the font file in it. People do this because 1. Hardsubbing is bad it ruins the picture quality in most cases unless your a good encoder. 2. Its faster and easier to do and everyone loves fast good subs. 3. The viewer can change it themselves if they do not like the subs. If the fonts you see are bad try a different group. The more well known groups normally have better fonts with a few exceptions.

Hardsubbing went out of style long ago. The reason the op and ed are hardsubbed is because almost no PC can handle AFX karaoke. If it moves or changes color it will be hard on your pc. Frames will be dropped and overall making it more a nuisance. Signs are hardsubbed for this reason and because of some limitations in vsfilter (Which i dont understand so i wont try to explain it, Ask a typesetter or encoder) Some typesetting is able to be subbed yet im not sure what kind. (I think its anything but /t and muti line, don't worry about it) Some of the good looking font is created by mixing 3 or more styles and laying them on top of each other. Makes font look very nice but is hard on some pc's so that is hardsubed. Some groups hardsub for no reason because they support dvd burning or because they dont want people to steal their subs.

As far as putting subs on your psp try this.

http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=47693

Turning the file into mp4 should do the trick and will do its best to keep quality. AVI has strict limitations so I wouldnt suggest that if you wanna keep quality but if its your preference then use it.




I dont want to criticize you but PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE explain this to me. My reaction to this is the same as when I found out the Chinese cap to avi and not to .ts or .mn2ts. H264 provides a higher quality video and picture than xvid. AVI has strict limitions that mkv does not. MKV is limitless it can hold just about anything while avi can not. H264 MKV gives higher quality picture and faster subs while AVI just loses quality and takes longer.

TL;DR Softsubbing is more convenient

And for all you font stylers out there. Your font should look like this http://www.ji-hi.net/k-on/CoalGuys/09-dialog4.png

Not like this http://www.ji-hi.net/k-on/Aasasubs/09-dialog4.png

Dont complain about DVD subs looking like they do. Thats a limitation in the dvd format itself not the companys fault. Dont blame them blame the world for not producing new technology.
Once again I apologize for my horrible wording of ideas. If anyone needs playback help of mkv Come on IRC and I will assist you.

I was going to write something, but Sindalf pointed it out.

If I remember correctly this wasn't fixed in bluray either. Stuck with your yellow subs for awhile. I read though they can also produce two other colors which I think is Red and Blue.