Is the "Netori" tag being used wrong?
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First, I'm sorry if this has come up before. Did a quick search and didn't see it, and I know I'm not the only one it's aggravated.
I want to try and make something clear. Is it netori when the MC (main character) of a story is stolen away? I've always thought "no" and have seen many agree with me in the comments of content tagged as "netori".
In many other places I've always seen "netori" defined by when the MC is the one who steals the significant other of someone else, or in other words, the MC is the "winner". It is NOT when he/she is broken by circumstance or their own stupidity and stolen away themselves. That is either netorare or just plain cheating.
Once or twice is no big deal, but this complaint can be seen in well over half the stories tagged as netori(with several upvotes of support), and since I've never seen anyone respond on behalf of the site and the problem keeps repeating, I thought I'd go out on a limb and post something here. I'm honestly not looking to cause trouble, I just thought it was something worth bringing to someone's attention.
I'll just end with a few examples to try and cut down the confusion. "Middle Daughter's Circumstances" and "After the Mistaken Wager" are two that I feel do not fit the Netoti tag, while "Pure Love Revenge" is one that I feel fits it perfectly.
I want to try and make something clear. Is it netori when the MC (main character) of a story is stolen away? I've always thought "no" and have seen many agree with me in the comments of content tagged as "netori".
In many other places I've always seen "netori" defined by when the MC is the one who steals the significant other of someone else, or in other words, the MC is the "winner". It is NOT when he/she is broken by circumstance or their own stupidity and stolen away themselves. That is either netorare or just plain cheating.
Once or twice is no big deal, but this complaint can be seen in well over half the stories tagged as netori(with several upvotes of support), and since I've never seen anyone respond on behalf of the site and the problem keeps repeating, I thought I'd go out on a limb and post something here. I'm honestly not looking to cause trouble, I just thought it was something worth bringing to someone's attention.
I'll just end with a few examples to try and cut down the confusion. "Middle Daughter's Circumstances" and "After the Mistaken Wager" are two that I feel do not fit the Netoti tag, while "Pure Love Revenge" is one that I feel fits it perfectly.
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animefreak_usa
Child of Samael
Netori means "stealing someone else's partner" or "homewrecking," while netorare means "cheating with." Someone made a chart.
Technically, what is going on is pretty much the same thing, but the point of view changes. From the girl being taken (netorare) to the guy taking the girl (netori). So if it was a story about someone's girl who ends up with multiple guys, it'd be netorare, but if it's a story about a guy who goes around sleeping with other guys' girls, it'd be netori.
And, likewise, a woman going around stealing boyfriends or husbands is netori.
Technically, what is going on is pretty much the same thing, but the point of view changes. From the girl being taken (netorare) to the guy taking the girl (netori). So if it was a story about someone's girl who ends up with multiple guys, it'd be netorare, but if it's a story about a guy who goes around sleeping with other guys' girls, it'd be netori.
And, likewise, a woman going around stealing boyfriends or husbands is netori.
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Thanks for the specifics!
From that, though, considering it's all about point of view it sounds like a lot of the content tagged Netori really does belong under just Netorare or Cheating instead...
From that, though, considering it's all about point of view it sounds like a lot of the content tagged Netori really does belong under just Netorare or Cheating instead...
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animefreak_usa
Child of Samael
Cheating is without the other person knowing so let's say wife is banging the next door neighbor but the husband is unaware that be cheating but if the husband is outside the window or the guy is showing it live on a tv then it would be Netorare. I think if the husband is in the room and he in to his wife getting dicked it just considered cuckolding but not netorare..Even though netorare s cuckholding. I think the mind break aspect is the key on differentiating it. Might just be better to say swinging in that case.
It's like the loli augment. Is loli a look and/or an age. Both or one can be a truth.
It's like the loli augment. Is loli a look and/or an age. Both or one can be a truth.
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The mind break or just lack of control really is the thing. When a story is tagged Netori and told from the girl's point of view, she shouldn't be the one to end up forced or broken. That's Netorare, right? Even without her guy finding out what happened to her it would still be Forced, but Netori means that the person with the point of view should be the one in control.
Look at "Middle Daughter's Circumstances". The girl is telling the story, it's her point of view, but a guy forces himself on her until she likes it. She's never the one in control, and definitely not the one that wanted to cheat, but it's Netori? That's the kind of thing I'm talking about.
Look at "Middle Daughter's Circumstances". The girl is telling the story, it's her point of view, but a guy forces himself on her until she likes it. She's never the one in control, and definitely not the one that wanted to cheat, but it's Netori? That's the kind of thing I'm talking about.
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animefreak_usa wrote...
Cheating is without the other person knowing so let's say wife is banging the next door neighbor but the husband is unaware that be cheating but if the husband is outside the window or the guy is showing it live on a tv then it would be Netorare. I think if the husband is in the room and he in to his wife getting dicked it just considered cuckolding but not netorare..Even though netorare s cuckholding. I think the mind break aspect is the key on differentiating it. Might just be better to say swinging in that case.It's like the loli augment. Is loli a look and/or an age. Both or one can be a truth.
Wow I think that this needs to be stated more often. The definitions need more clarification and you might be the guy to do it. Tag clarification can go along way.
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Drifter995
Neko//Night
Cuckold is consensual cheating basically. So the husband or wife sits to the side and gets off on their partner havingg sex with another person.
Netorare is the partner finding out their partner is cheating, and feeling like absolute shit. Aim of it is to make you feel like shit.
Netori is basically stealing somebody elses partner via sex. So like netorare, but seemingly without the whole crushing feeling generally, or it's with the person they're stealing away being the one who feels like shit, and their partner unaware. Seems to vary a bit.
Then cheating is just them cheating without anyone knowing. Basically vanilla, but they've got a partner already for the most part.
And can't think of the other ones similar
Netorare is the partner finding out their partner is cheating, and feeling like absolute shit. Aim of it is to make you feel like shit.
Netori is basically stealing somebody elses partner via sex. So like netorare, but seemingly without the whole crushing feeling generally, or it's with the person they're stealing away being the one who feels like shit, and their partner unaware. Seems to vary a bit.
Then cheating is just them cheating without anyone knowing. Basically vanilla, but they've got a partner already for the most part.
And can't think of the other ones similar
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Okay, so just to make it very clear:
If there's a story about a girl told from her perspective(we see her thoughts and all that), and that girl already has a lover who we meet, but then that girl is forced to have sex with someone else(rape, blackmail, etc) and ends up mind-broken/loving it more than her lover, that story is NOT netori and should NOT have the netori tag.
Correct?
If there's a story about a girl told from her perspective(we see her thoughts and all that), and that girl already has a lover who we meet, but then that girl is forced to have sex with someone else(rape, blackmail, etc) and ends up mind-broken/loving it more than her lover, that story is NOT netori and should NOT have the netori tag.
Correct?
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animefreak_usa
Child of Samael
Anraex23 wrote...
Okay, so just to make it very clear: If there's a story about a girl told from her perspective(we see her thoughts and all that), and that girl already has a lover who we meet, but then that girl is forced to have sex with someone else(rape, blackmail, etc) and ends up mind-broken/loving it more than her lover, that story is NOT netori and should NOT have the netori tag.
Correct?
That depends if the guy knows and/or is forced to watch. Which it would be netorare because the guy have to be taken for it to be netori. The guy is the one cheating and/or stolen for netori. If the guy doesn't know his lady is being plow well by another dude or dudette then it's just cheating.
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Drifter995
Neko//Night
animefreak_usa wrote...
Anraex23 wrote...
Okay, so just to make it very clear: If there's a story about a girl told from her perspective(we see her thoughts and all that), and that girl already has a lover who we meet, but then that girl is forced to have sex with someone else(rape, blackmail, etc) and ends up mind-broken/loving it more than her lover, that story is NOT netori and should NOT have the netori tag.
Correct?
That depends if the guy knows and/or is forced to watch. Which it would be netorare because the guy have to be taken for it to be netori. The guy is the one cheating and/or stolen for netori. If the guy doesn't know his lady is being plow well by another dude or dudette then it's just cheating.
Isn't the guy being stolen literally just reverse ntr?
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animefreak_usa
Child of Samael
Drifter995 wrote...
animefreak_usa wrote...
Anraex23 wrote...
Okay, so just to make it very clear: If there's a story about a girl told from her perspective(we see her thoughts and all that), and that girl already has a lover who we meet, but then that girl is forced to have sex with someone else(rape, blackmail, etc) and ends up mind-broken/loving it more than her lover, that story is NOT netori and should NOT have the netori tag.
Correct?
That depends if the guy knows and/or is forced to watch. Which it would be netorare because the guy have to be taken for it to be netori. The guy is the one cheating and/or stolen for netori. If the guy doesn't know his lady is being plow well by another dude or dudette then it's just cheating.
Isn't the guy being stolen literally just reverse ntr?
Yeah. That's what netori means.
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Drifter995
Neko//Night
animefreak_usa wrote...
Drifter995 wrote...
animefreak_usa wrote...
Anraex23 wrote...
Okay, so just to make it very clear: If there's a story about a girl told from her perspective(we see her thoughts and all that), and that girl already has a lover who we meet, but then that girl is forced to have sex with someone else(rape, blackmail, etc) and ends up mind-broken/loving it more than her lover, that story is NOT netori and should NOT have the netori tag.
Correct?
That depends if the guy knows and/or is forced to watch. Which it would be netorare because the guy have to be taken for it to be netori. The guy is the one cheating and/or stolen for netori. If the guy doesn't know his lady is being plow well by another dude or dudette then it's just cheating.
Isn't the guy being stolen literally just reverse ntr?
Yeah. That's what netori means.
Netori is the protag doing the netorare, vs the protag being the person who gets netorared.
Dude being the one stolen away is reverse ntr, as it's reverse genders to normal.
Literal definitions of the words are:
Netorare: To be cuckolded/ being cuckholded
Netori: To cuckold somebody.
Thus, ntr where the male is the protag, but is corrupted, and his wife finds out, and is distraught is reverse ntr.
Then the ones with the protag being the person corrupting said person, that is netori