Netorare Lovers and Haters Discussion

I recently contributed to a thread on cures for NTR trauma and felt that I should start a thread on NTR for both lovers and haters. The two emotions are kinda close sometimes. Please feel free to share your thoughts regarding NTR. Why you get off on it or why you hate it or why you hate that you got off on it.

To jump start the discussion, let me share some cures for NTR trauma. For those who read some by accident and felt sick and those who read some and got off and felt sick.

Cures for NTR Trauma?

Some suggestions here. There are all unorthodox though.

1) Many things (scenarios or people or whatever) have their opposites. For example, the opposite of getting a demotion at work is getting a promotion at work. Wouldn't you agree that a recent promotion would totally negate the depression of getting demoted previously? So if you were traumatized by a particular NTR, look for its opposite number in the hentai world.

I recently watched a mortifying one called Yama Hime no Mi, which contained two stories about mothers betraying the sacred bond between mother and son while having sex with their lovers. In the first story, the mother declared she didn't love her son anymore because she loved her master more. In the second one, the motehr declared that she would prefer her son leave the house so she could have more sex with his school friend.

Anyway, back to what I was saying, Yama Hime stories have their opposite number. It is called Enjo Kosai. In that series, the mother loved her son so much that she tried to get him in bed. She succeeded with her friend's cooperation. Basically her friend got him so horny that he could only turn to his own mother.

So yeah, instead of the mother giving up her family, this one is about the mother getting closer (wink-wink) to her family (i.e. the son). If you get off on that, you will probably forget about the mother-son NTR you just watched.

In general, I find femdom hentai to be arousing. That's one of my fetishes. And I feel they counter the NTR mortifying factor because in femdom hentai, the heroine usually wants the male protagonist to be near her. Maybe not in a vanilla kind of romantic relationship, but at least the poor guy doesn't get tossed away and forgotten while she gets on with other guys.

2) There's also a fine piece of mainstream anti-NTR scene in a book written by a writer called Karen Marie Moning. Not hentai or erotica. Mainstream urban fantasy but with some good sex scenes. After her mind was broken via rape-by-faeries, turning into the kind of NTR heroine we read about, the heroine was rescued by the tough male protagonist who basically screwed her back to sanity. Read that and impose that scenario on the NTR hentai that mortified you. It is one of the Darkfever series or whatever the name is. Can't remember now.

3) I think discussing the NTR genre in a rational manner would help. You just have to find the right words to exorcise your inner demons. They call this catharsis. I use that method whenever I feel too angry or depressed.

This is probably a good place to explain why a lot of guys find NTR mortifying. Because the "love affairs" are always destructive. The villains dominate and are never properly grateful for the sex. And this attitude somehow devalues us. Because a lot of guys I know never get laid all that often and when they do, it's a huge deal. Dinner. Gifts. Treating the lady like a Lady and all that. And then, let's face it, she doesn't orgasm like a hentai heroine. Maybe she smiles and says "thanks for a good time" and you are properly grateful for the experience. You would do anything to experience that again. You also know the sex is mainly for YOUR benefit so you thank her, in your heart if not out loud.

Then suddenly you see this guy getting the woman without having to do all that AND to add salt to open injuries, the Major Jerk isn't even properly grateful! The sex which caused you to experience heights of ecstasy you never experienced before and which was so emotionally overwhelming for you isn't affecting him at all! Remember your favorite childhood hero? Maybe it's Bruce Lee. Maybe it's Chuck Norris. Now imagine your hero stepping up to the arena only to be batted around like a human fly by some lazy jackass college jock you always hated. Imagine the anguish at seeing your hero defeated and multiply that by a thousand and you are not even close to the anguish of seeing your princess figure being degraded like that.

AND. AND. The tables are suddenly turned. The princess of your heart, the one you spent so much effort on, suddenly starts reaching orgasms she never attained while with you.

So you, as a human, are diminished by proxy. Your position. Your beliefs. Everything diminished just like that.

A lot of men put their women up on some metaphorical pedestal and that's certainly the case in many NTR hentai. So when the goddess figure is brought low like that, it is certainly mortifying. I am not a religious person so I can never answer the philosophical questions about what would happen if a certain major religion turns out to be false (backed by scientific evidence of course).

I don't know how I would react but I know a lot of faithfuls would probably go insane. This happens on a smaller scale when some people watch NTR. A lot of otaku certainly believe in pure love so loving a woman is almost like a religious experience. That goddess image is projected onto the NTR heroines sometimes and when they are brought low, it has almost the same effect as when worshippers of a faith see their idols brought low and diminished.

Oh yeah, it also helps to put things within context. A lot of guys out there probably never had sex and even less guys took part in BDSM sessions.

So the words uttered by the heroine in the throes of sex are especially mortifying to them. You know, like "Oh yes, I love you more than my husband!" or "If you command me, I will leave my family" and so on.

But if you put that within the context of BDSM role-playing, it isn't especially so. I have been to a couple of BDSM sessions and nastier things get said. And they are just words. That's understood by both parties. For example, I was having sex with one lady from China who knew acupuncture and she included that in our sex. I won't give details here but it was so good that I said "Please marry me. Let me introduce you to my parents! Let us go right now to register!"

And she said "Haha, I think your parents will disown you if you introduced an experienced prostitute like me as your wife." And I was like "But I love you!"

Then I came (i.e. orgasmed) and she was like "There, now you no longer want to marry me, right?"

And I just grinned sheepishly at her. There. Nobody should take "pillow talk" seriously. Especially when spoken during hard core sex.

If you look at real word NTR cases, you might feel better. For example, with regards to the Yama Hime no Mi scenario, a similar incident did take place for real. A secondary school teacher was having sex with her student who was supposedly the same age as her kid. But she felt guilt later on and tried to break off the relationship but the student lover threatened to kill her so she made the police report. Of course she lost her job and was sentenced to prison for statutory rape.

That's real. Hentai is not.

That's not to say there aren't women out there who would willingly throw away everything to be with their lovers, but look at the cases where the women confessed and tried to salvage their lives to make you feel better.

Also, I am sure all of you would at least know real world girls who are highly "popular". Do they ever stay with just one alpha male? No, they have multiple partners. Why cheat if they are not going to go all the way? They move around. They move forward to greener pastures that are also bigger and longer. So console yourself with that scenario. That the cheating heroine in the NTR you just watched will just move around and perhaps return to her nest some day. That should make you feel slightly better when you imagine the major jackass in the NTR hentai losing his place as the exclusive lover.

Putting things into context... hmm... How many of you talked to actual porn stars? I was email buddy with one (not going to mention her name here) who did exclusively black on white porn. You know, the whole black guys have bigger dicks thingy. I asked her if she especially enjoyed her work because in her movies, she was always a cheating submissive slut. She laughed about it and told me that, actually, some of her co-stars (the ones playing the dominant alphas) were really shy on the set and she found it funny.

That's the reality, not the scenes she did in her movies.

Then of course, having kept up with porn gossips, I really don't think those actresses starring as submissive cheating sluts really are real live slaves to their co-stars.

If we follow NTR logic, women who have repeated sex with strangers end up enjoying sex way too much. But having been with prostitutes, I really don't think so. There are many in the industry who would just rush you through the routine. That's just work to them and they really don't look like they enjoy it so much, like in those NTR hentai. One veteran in the industry told me she can't feel anything now in that area of her body. She's been thoroughly desensitized after years on the job. She even tried the vibrators some of her regular clients got her. Nothing. No feeling.

Don't feel too bad for her. She had her own happy ending. When she returned to her home country, she bought a plot of land and built an apartment complex there. She's now a land lady who owns every single unit of that building. But yeah, she doesn't enjoy sex at all.

If we follow NTR logic, she's supposed in the worst circumstances by now, enjoying sex with too many strangers in the worst conditions, but that's not the case.