Missed this nonsense so Ill take a second to reply.
Sgt.broski wrote...
I agree with most of what you said but giving lean way is definitely a problem. I was under the impression that the mods were to ensure the rules were being followed and to ensure the safety of its users so you saying you would just let it slide can be a problem.
Nah, most of the time when people are accusing other of harassment it was just someone being overly mean to someone else and some feelings got hurt. So I believe in a "get thicker skin" response most of the time, but not after I warned someone not to do anything else.
Me giving fair warning:
[7/27/2013 12:30:44 PM] Paul: So tomorrow is when the ban will be lifted
[7/27/2013 12:30:51 PM] Paul: but i wanted to remind you
[7/27/2013 12:30:58 PM] Paul: this is your last chance
[7/27/2013 12:31:20 PM] Paul: i see ANYTHING that looks like you causing trouble
[7/27/2013 12:31:23 PM] Paul: you're done
[7/27/2013 12:31:46 PM] Paul: Keep your head down and avoid fights with everyone at all costs
Sgt.broski wrote...
That brings me to something else, why do you have rules posted in IB and people aren't even following the majority of them. I didn't get that part never did. I've seen users actually trying to abide by these so called rules and its like "well shit if the people here don't abide by it then why should I"?, Which creates misunderstanding and problems so you're making your own job harder by not enforcing these rules you've posted but no biggie.
IB is special, the rules apply but they don't. You can't post guro but you can use racism, you can't post scat but you can necrobump/triple post/act like an idiot. We let most of the rules slide but still maintain the important ones. We do enforce some of the unimportant ones but only if it's in excess(like mantis and his bid for time off). The enforcement in IB is up to each individual mod which is why we leave things vague, so if we think someone is being a real shit we can give them a warning/ban without punishing the minor stuff most of the time. A good example is Jacob said necrobumping is fine, but yoshii was perma banned for necrobumping a ridiculous amount one day.
Sgt.broski wrote...
Also, we are all grown man and women so being treated as a child is getting way out of control my friend. When did it become a crime to argue with a mod whose in the wrong? Everyone here has a(n) opinion to speak and if youre going to play that game then you might as well quit again and let someone else take charge
I will start by saying some of the people who post on Fakku don't behave like adults, and I very much doubt everyone here is above 18 so treating everyone like an adult is both impractical and a waste of time. Second, where did I punish anyone for arguing with me about the rules? I enjoy a good argument. I didn't ban koko or mantis for arguing/disagreeing with me, I banned them for violating rules and disregarding mod authority.
Here's a conversation on Skype that I had with Jake about the whole thing.
[6/28/2013 3:15:43 PM] Paul: i let the public know that if she stays off for the full month, we dont find any more of her alts and everything is quiet that i'm willing to recommend you allow her to come back
[6/28/2013 3:16:10 PM] Paul: it's really up to you, all i do is recommend sentencing
[6/28/2013 3:16:30 PM] Paul: but if i see another one of her alts im going to recommend you make it permanent
[6/28/2013 3:17:31 PM] Jacob: kk
[6/28/2013 3:18:46 PM] Paul: i think thats pretty fair
[6/28/2013 3:19:02 PM] Paul: but she is a troublemaker, the majority of the community hates her
[6/28/2013 3:19:08 PM] Paul: it wont be long before shes fighting people again
[6/28/2013 3:19:31 PM] Paul: which is at least partly her fault
[6/28/2013 3:29:08 PM] Jacob: I think thats good, I agree with you
[6/28/2013 3:29:12 PM] Jacob: let me know and definitely keep an eye out
I believe that shows that Jake thinks I did my job properly and its also a good example of what I believe to be fair treatment.
All that being said had Koko been capable of controlling herself she could have waited 3 days, come back and made a thread in feedback to debate the reason for her ban. Deciding to disregard a mods decision will only lead to a perma ban, so keep that in mind when you want to argue about the rules.
Peltor wrote...
Anyways, If mantis's necrobump threads on IB, then I believe the case should be reconsidered. Also yoshii's, in his case.
If it's outside IB, then I'm outta here.
OPINION: With all due respect, it's true that we have rules for anything, and everyone who breaks the rules must face the consequences. But then, a case is different from another case, that's why we have attorneys and judges in real life.
I believe we should have a trial or something, and let's hear it from mantis's side, shall we?
OPINION: Thread belongs to SD.
Mantis is due to multiple warnings(which were ignored) and his deliberate attempt to get banned so he could study. Abusing the system is for the most part why he wont be allowed back.
Yoshii was banned by Jake for doing something that made Jake look bad, and then using the dev version of Fakku to get around a ban(thus ban evading).
You know as well as I that not everything is punished in IB, the worst cases are dealt with which is why Mantis got his perma. This is not the United States of America, users don't have right to a fair trial. When you create your account you are borrowing something from the site under the understanding that you have to follow our rules and trust they are being enforced fairly. You may not believe that something was fair but the person who runs the site has decided to trust some of us to judge what is and what isn't fair, it's up to those individuals to decide whether your treatment was excessive or not. You may not like that system but you are welcome to leave at any time if you believe that's unacceptable.