msPaint wrote...
Source 2 doesn't support your point; it goes AGAINST what you're saying. Actually read Source 2 please (especially point 5). It's old, but it does an okay job explaining the current mainstream scientific opinion on race. No one is saying there aren't physical differences (like in Source 3), they're saying that there's no scientific basis to classify humans into groups by race or geographic region, for reasons expressed in Source 2. The concept of race is not useful in modern medicine. Current science explores genetics, not race. Basically, the concept of race is pseudoscience. Source 1 is an op-ed from the 90s from a fringe apologist publication.
Did you actually read my post carefully enough? You seem to be missing my point by miles.
I said there were billions of genetic differences, and while similarities exist, even two people in the same village will develop different genetic adaptations based on the stimuli of their environment and what challenges they face. So, clearly, you do not understand what my point actually is.
I will spell it out to you in the simplest way possible: There are literally millions of races on the planet, with such an endless variety of genetic differences that you cannot begin to fathom the amount.
However, the differences exist, and similarities exist in physical ways based on micro-climates which influence adaptation. Micro-climates are a lot smaller than most seem to realize. A micro-climate could scarcely cover a single home, let alone a village or region. The tiniest of differences cause changes which do have some minor, if barely noticeable, impact on genetics.
In my last post, I basically stated that I don't believe he understands that the genetic differences that form based on environmental stimuli even exist. Because he doesn't. You do, but you definitely seem to be misconstruing the point of my argument.
Also, just to point out, the only lines in that entire section that could potentially disagree with YOUR impression of my point are these:
Humanity cannot be classified into discrete geographic categories with absolute boundaries.
Emphasis on absolute boundaries for this point. As in, there are no absolute boundaries one can use to completely separate one set of genetically different people from another based on geographics. However, there are similarities, as expressed by the rest of this article. And the others.
The geographic pattern of genetic variation within this array is complex, and presents no major discontinuity.
As in, the changes continue indefinitely, and constant introduction of new or similar stimuli continue to shape the genetics of individuals as the chemicals in their body react to such.
Both of these could possibly be used to argue that there is no way to properly classify race based on regional differences, but that is aside from the point I made.
However, the same lines could also be used to argue that the environment, and thus the region, has a greater impact on the difference in the way people developed, thus classifying people based on such differences in anatomical and genetic development is possible.
In other words, these lines are not conclusive enough to negotiate either point.
msPaint wrote...
A more comprehensive and modern article:
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Racialism
I'll take the time to read it, rest assured. I will also point out every fault in any arguments or statements I find there, but also give it credit where it is due. I'll break it down so that it's easy to understand and make a new thread about it later.
msPaint wrote...
As for OP, you know that Prager U is a fake university?
It's not a university, it's a series of youtube videos made for the purpose of spreading particular messages, some of which have merit, and others that do not. It's not a "fake university", it doesn't qualify as an educational institution at all.
But it's funny you would even use that as a point at all since I never stated or even implied that it was. Was that supposed to be some form of subtle mockery?
If so, bravo, you have achieved exactly what Chrono would have achieved: Nothing.
msPaint wrote...
Also
, the message is stupid- the way to end racism is to treat blacks equally. No fucking duh.
Except that it is not obvious to far too many, as they don't understand what it means to "treat all
people equally, regardless of race, religion, circumstance, etc".
I am beginning to doubt that it's actually "obvious" to you, as well.
msPaint wrote...
That's a
tautology.
Fixed that minor mistake for you. You don't have to thank me, though I'd be elated if you did.
msPaint wrote...
Gee, how insightful and engaging.
I would be glad if you thought so, but I'd wager you're merely using sarcasm to segway into your next statement.
msPaint wrote...
It's only saying this in a racist context too, surrounding the Ferguson riots in 2014.
Except that it's not. Their point is that rioters should be arrested and treated to the full extent of the law regardless of something like race. Merely bringing up a specific incident does not make the context of the argument "racist".
msPaint wrote...
Treat blacks equally
when they do bad things at all times also no affirmative action and the like.
Fixed that for you. It's not just about doing bad things. It's about people achieving things, getting jobs, awards, and everything under the sun in between.
People should all have a fair reward for their efforts and fair consequences for their crimes.
msPaint wrote...
That's the only time racists care about equality, only in those contexts.
You still haven't actually shown how any of these people are "racist". You merely slap the label on them without placing much thought into their intentions. And their intentions seem clear. Incentivise
people to work hard regardless of who they are or their background, and make it so that
all people are punished rightfully for their crimes.
But I guess calling someone "racist" is a way to win arguments lately. Why should you bother trying to debate with logic among intellectual human beings, when you can just cry "racism" and call it a day?
As far as they've shown, they just care about
equality period, it has nothing to do with "race".
You're failing here, and you've only begun. I'm quite disappointed in you. Maybe you should take a bit more time to analyze things before you jump in next time.