any aspiring mangaka out there?
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It's been a boyhood fantasy of mine to be a Manga artist. Although the aspiration has evolved into possibly being a hentai artist, the dream stays the same. It might also be difficult for an American to excel in a japanese field, especially if this American happens to be a sheltered nobody with little to no experience outside his country, and certainly no ambassadorial graces. Regardless of these tiny snags, I'm sure I can do it.
so....
Anyone else here have that dream?
so....
Anyone else here have that dream?
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This is a problem for me (not trolling, I swear),
I'm in college right now for Illustration. Not comics/manga, per se, but just Illustration. When I was in highschool, sure I wanted to be a "mangaka" and when I told my art teacher, she just gave me this mixed look of confusion and desperation. It was apparent in my work that I was doomed to draw in anime style and that style only.
Come college, I was still slightly set on that same ideal. The college drawing classes I took in my first year were unbelievably hard. Realism is easy for someone who didn't grow up and draw only anime characters with friends. I was slower than everyone else (when it came to supposed deadlines) 'cause of this. Sure, it's my fault but I also wanted to learn realism by the end of first semester to break the habit, if you will. I was told by a scout for the transfer college that my "style" won't get me clients. Not everyone likes anime style in America. And I doubt that you'd be able to get enough money to fly over, live and do internship in any Asian country. It's alot of money to be spent on being comfortable with your dream job.
Just keep in mind that you need to establish yourself as an artist first before you can go and "do your own thing". All of these kids on deviantArt, at anime conventions, who want to be mangakas or anime illustrators get (excuse me) asspats for that period of time only but what about as a job? Cons only come months at a time so how are you going to support yourself for the rest of the year when there aren't any? You really need a backup in case you're not as popular or sellable as a Miyazaki.
I'm in college right now for Illustration. Not comics/manga, per se, but just Illustration. When I was in highschool, sure I wanted to be a "mangaka" and when I told my art teacher, she just gave me this mixed look of confusion and desperation. It was apparent in my work that I was doomed to draw in anime style and that style only.
Come college, I was still slightly set on that same ideal. The college drawing classes I took in my first year were unbelievably hard. Realism is easy for someone who didn't grow up and draw only anime characters with friends. I was slower than everyone else (when it came to supposed deadlines) 'cause of this. Sure, it's my fault but I also wanted to learn realism by the end of first semester to break the habit, if you will. I was told by a scout for the transfer college that my "style" won't get me clients. Not everyone likes anime style in America. And I doubt that you'd be able to get enough money to fly over, live and do internship in any Asian country. It's alot of money to be spent on being comfortable with your dream job.
Just keep in mind that you need to establish yourself as an artist first before you can go and "do your own thing". All of these kids on deviantArt, at anime conventions, who want to be mangakas or anime illustrators get (excuse me) asspats for that period of time only but what about as a job? Cons only come months at a time so how are you going to support yourself for the rest of the year when there aren't any? You really need a backup in case you're not as popular or sellable as a Miyazaki.
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Sage advice from uncle gibbous:
Don't make what you enjoy into your job. It will ruin it for you, forever. Doing something for a living means compromise and abandoning your ideas for the outlandish and impossible wants of your clients. Your artistic integrity and creativity will be steamrolled and buried by the unforgiving reality of deadlines, asinine customer expectations, marketing and art direction.
I strongly advise everyone aspiring to an artistic career to seek an uneventful, drab, but untaxing job as an accountant, facility manager, or somesuch; then pursue their dream on the side.
As innocent and humble a dream as "wanna draw a manga, k!" should not be entirely out of your grasp if you take drawing classes after hours and spend your free time drawing the shit out of every paper-like surface near you.
It's like some people get into gardening, or collecting stamps, or toy trains.
Don't make what you enjoy into your job. It will ruin it for you, forever. Doing something for a living means compromise and abandoning your ideas for the outlandish and impossible wants of your clients. Your artistic integrity and creativity will be steamrolled and buried by the unforgiving reality of deadlines, asinine customer expectations, marketing and art direction.
I strongly advise everyone aspiring to an artistic career to seek an uneventful, drab, but untaxing job as an accountant, facility manager, or somesuch; then pursue their dream on the side.
As innocent and humble a dream as "wanna draw a manga, k!" should not be entirely out of your grasp if you take drawing classes after hours and spend your free time drawing the shit out of every paper-like surface near you.
It's like some people get into gardening, or collecting stamps, or toy trains.
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It has been my dreem since forever. But each year that passes, I find it more and more dumbshit impossible to make this dream come true. I think i'm really going to take Graphic design instead of illustration. I'll train my skillz on the side and then try to do something with it, but using the graphic design as a safe point. (my grammar ain't the best, so I dunno if I got my message through)
If anyone has any advice, i'd love to hear it. I'm completely lost on what to do.
If anyone has any advice, i'd love to hear it. I'm completely lost on what to do.
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Have a look at any manga or anime series. How many western people do you see listed in the credits? It's a nice dream but I wouldn't aim for it realistically. Broaden your horizons and learn as many different techniques and styles as possible and try not to get caught up on anime style only; it really is the death of some great potential in many a person. I'm not saying give it up, but keep it as a hobby or side project and continue honing it then you might find it useful at some point in your career.
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Off base comment here (not really). If an artist can draw in a realistic style, they can draw in comic style, and anime style. That's just my opinion, of course.
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eclipticangel wrote...
Have a look at any manga or anime series. How many western people do you see listed in the credits?It's not a matter of Western artists being featured in foreign manga.
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Coco-tan wrote...
eclipticangel wrote...
Have a look at any manga or anime series. How many western people do you see listed in the credits?It's not a matter of Western artists being featured in foreign manga.
If the person is saying they want to be a 漫画家　then yes I'd say it matters. They also have to learn Japanese and workplace manners in Japan, get enough money to live over here and then get enough of a reputation to be desirable to a company. If you want to be a 漫画　influenced 洋画家　then that's a different matter.
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eclipticangel wrote...
Coco-tan wrote...
eclipticangel wrote...
Have a look at any manga or anime series. How many western people do you see listed in the credits?It's not a matter of Western artists being featured in foreign manga.
If the person is saying they want to be a 漫画家　then yes I'd say it matters. They also have to learn Japanese and workplace manners in Japan, get enough money to live over here and then get enough of a reputation to be desirable to a company. If you want to be a 漫画　influenced 洋画家　then that's a different matter.
No it doesn't.
If they want to be a mangaka, they can. But they won't SUCCEED in America. We already discussed the possibility of a person being able to move to Japan but why don't they stay locally if they can get the job with the same Illustration work?
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Then It isn't classified as a mangaka as I said in the last post. A mangaka is someone actively involved in the Japanese manga business, otherwise you have no point in using the word mangaka and should use the appropriate English word to describe your profession.
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eclipticangel wrote...
Have a look at any manga or anime series. How many western people do you see listed in the credits? It's a nice dream but I wouldn't aim for it realistically. Broaden your horizons and learn as many different techniques and styles as possible and try not to get caught up on anime style only; it really is the death of some great potential in many a person. I'm not saying give it up, but keep it as a hobby or side project and continue honing it then you might find it useful at some point in your career.That never stopped Michael Arias. He was the first non-japanese person to be the director of a japanese anime movie - Tekkonkinkreet (and it's Studio 4ºC!).
Spoiler:
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If you actually read my post past the first sentence you will see that I don't say to give up, just be realistic. If you can do it then fantastic.
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Kuroneko1/2 wrote...
eclipticangel wrote...
Have a look at any manga or anime series. How many western people do you see listed in the credits? It's a nice dream but I wouldn't aim for it realistically. Broaden your horizons and learn as many different techniques and styles as possible and try not to get caught up on anime style only; it really is the death of some great potential in many a person. I'm not saying give it up, but keep it as a hobby or side project and continue honing it then you might find it useful at some point in your career.That never stopped Michael Arias. He was the first non-japanese person to be the director of a japanese anime movie - Tekkonkinkreet (and it's Studio 4ºC!).
Spoiler:
And this actually further proves my point. He didn't start off in manga, he had a varied background and gained a lot of experience. He also lived in Japan a long time prior to making that movie and is fluent in Japanese. Once again, he worked hard and was probably lucky on a few occasions too. The style of that movie was pretty cool though, I remember they had it playing on the big screens in Shibuya one time.
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Every words make sense. It's just will you gamble on this world of "no money" or not. I believe so, without any connection, skill, and experience, that would just an empty dream.
I too, dream as a mangaka, or something like that. But the fact that i choose study to became an engineer instead of an artist is a realization that being mangaka is something impo here.
Still, i will work hard to enjoy the arts.
I too, dream as a mangaka, or something like that. But the fact that i choose study to became an engineer instead of an artist is a realization that being mangaka is something impo here.
Still, i will work hard to enjoy the arts.
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Sir.. If you have a dream, you must keep it sharp. Dont care about reality too much, even you could stir it, depend how strong is your will.
I knew that you ever heard of valentino rossi, if you face him right before your eyes, his soul is so big that you feel like he had devour yours.
Whats happening? He definately can focus to realize his own dream to be no 1 . What if your power of positive blend into single mind? You'll be unbeatable. You may follow the stream, against the stream or make your own stream. It up to you.. Its your own life,your happiness.. If someone tried to comprise your dream just take the good things and throws the negative one.
Because you could and you can..
I knew that you ever heard of valentino rossi, if you face him right before your eyes, his soul is so big that you feel like he had devour yours.
Whats happening? He definately can focus to realize his own dream to be no 1 . What if your power of positive blend into single mind? You'll be unbeatable. You may follow the stream, against the stream or make your own stream. It up to you.. Its your own life,your happiness.. If someone tried to comprise your dream just take the good things and throws the negative one.
Because you could and you can..
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nekohunter wrote...
It's been a boyhood fantasy of mine to be a Manga artist.Spoiler:
my friend, i also have that dream.
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You know there is no such thing as a 'born' artist, they are 'made'.
It takes years of dedication, hard work and discipline to be someone and anyone in any profession. You think the Empire of Rome was built in a day? Of course not. If you truly want to be one, then i say suck it all up and play through the pain. You can't whine over everything bad that happens, you can only learn from it and become stronger. And don't forget to dream. What made me want to pick up my pen and draw was because i dreamt of becoming a manga artist and i stuck to that dream. I loved that dream. The only thing this days that I look forward to. The only thing that I can see. [size=5]wait, did i just replace a woman with becoming a manga atrist? [/h]
I too want to be a mangaka, but sadly that dream was droppped. I want to be an animator now, in both 3D and 2D. It takes twice the hard work and twice the dedication. And if you think I'll give up half-way then you are sadly mistaken, my friend. I know how much hard work, dedication, discipline, I know the risks, the sacrifices, the things that I will have to give up, like getting laid for example or having to push my body to its limits to reach a deadline, I know it all too well and it does not waver my spirit one bit. Not anymore. Not any longer. Not never.
It takes dedication to be a man. SO BE A MAN, my friend and keep doing what makes you happy. Keep doing what makes you satisfied, what keeps you asleep at night, what you think is right, 'cause nobody can make you stop believing. It is only you who have to believe in yourself.
also remember that;
" The road to Happiness is two steps forward and one step back."
[size=2]and that the first step to the road of disappointment is hope. [/h]
@Zeph
same, exactly too exactly. Are you my soul mate? :3
It takes years of dedication, hard work and discipline to be someone and anyone in any profession. You think the Empire of Rome was built in a day? Of course not. If you truly want to be one, then i say suck it all up and play through the pain. You can't whine over everything bad that happens, you can only learn from it and become stronger. And don't forget to dream. What made me want to pick up my pen and draw was because i dreamt of becoming a manga artist and i stuck to that dream. I loved that dream. The only thing this days that I look forward to. The only thing that I can see. [size=5]wait, did i just replace a woman with becoming a manga atrist? [/h]
I too want to be a mangaka, but sadly that dream was droppped. I want to be an animator now, in both 3D and 2D. It takes twice the hard work and twice the dedication. And if you think I'll give up half-way then you are sadly mistaken, my friend. I know how much hard work, dedication, discipline, I know the risks, the sacrifices, the things that I will have to give up, like getting laid for example or having to push my body to its limits to reach a deadline, I know it all too well and it does not waver my spirit one bit. Not anymore. Not any longer. Not never.
It takes dedication to be a man. SO BE A MAN, my friend and keep doing what makes you happy. Keep doing what makes you satisfied, what keeps you asleep at night, what you think is right, 'cause nobody can make you stop believing. It is only you who have to believe in yourself.
also remember that;
" The road to Happiness is two steps forward and one step back."
[size=2]and that the first step to the road of disappointment is hope. [/h]
@Zeph
same, exactly too exactly. Are you my soul mate? :3
