Bullpup Anyone? WWII relic becomes Halo gun.

@sv51macross: The first Halo AR had 60 bullets in one magazine, sorry for the confusion. Even then, I thought it looked weird for a boxy magazine to hold a bullet quantity greater than 20 bullets.

That's why I think halo mags must use some kind of electric drive with a linkless feed (like, for example, the gun on a F-16), because no spring could fit those rounds in that mag.

I know what you mean. Some guns are just impossible no matter how realistic they look. Same thing for the BR mag. If it held 36 rounds, the only way it would make sense while retaining that boxy-like shape is if it was divided into three chambers with 12 bullets in each, though I've never heard of a magazine containing more than two chambers. 60 rounds is unrealistic.

I'm not saying it's entirely unrealistic. Look at the FN Herstal P90. Its mag is only a bit bigger than a Glock 33-rounder and it holds 50. Also, I don't think a linkless, electric-drive magazine if too far-fetched, the only hassle would be cost and weight, but in a bullpu rifle all the aweight would be right against your shoulder, so swing-weight (how hard it is to bring the weapon to your shoulder to fire) would actually not be that bad. And sixty rounds of 5.56 is not entirely unfeasible. It might occupy the volume of 3 and a half STANAG magazines, but it is an interesting concept.

Also, according to the ammo chart on Halopedia, the Halo Assault rifle uses 7.62 NATO ammo! So the same cartridge that the G3 and FAL used some fifty years ago is still around 300 years from now?

7.62 Nato rounds in a small magazine? That's quite a stretch of a magazine container even without the springs. Those bullets are huge, but offer good to great penetration depending on the gun.

[quote="Argentine"]Its not a joke.
It was the 2009 season and ep number 122.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MythBusters_%282009_season%29

They were doing a myth on a russian gangster placed his SKSes in his back seat and blasted music so hard that the guns went off.

They subjected the 3 SKSes through all sorts of sounds,frequency etc.
Kari,Grant and Tory conducted the experiment.[/quote

I remember that! :D

Just discovered that a select-fire variant of the SKS was made by China; the Norinco Type-63 Rifle. Safe/Semi/Burst. Now, I have faith that at least a couple were imported and registered with the ATF. So, combine stripped burst-fire mechanism with the kit in the op post...'scuse me, I'm getting an erection.



They offer good penetration pretty much no matter what. And that's why I think a linkless feed is used.
On the subjetct of 7.62 NATO and bullpups, check out the Kel-Tec RFB.

Lol, the Kel-Tec RFB. Add a shroud to it, and move the magazine further back and replace the magazine for a 36 round, dual chamber 18 rounds, magazine, add a scope, and you have the BR from Halo. It looks pretty dang close.

I just thought its method of casing ejection was cool (look on youtube). Plus, it's aimed solely at civilians too, and it's a new gun that fires the big-boy NATO rounds. (Win .308). Plus, alot smaller and lighter than either the FN FAL or G3 clones. But yeah, it would not be that difficult to mod it to do so. I think it would be easier to do with a Norinco Type 97 though. Shame the Canuckistanians get them, and we don't!

I still love that cbrps bullpup SKS though.

But for $1880? I could get a shotgun and another AR for that kind of money.

I do admit the forward ejecting mechanism is pretty cool, and it doesn't like it'll get in the way of firing either. And either the guys firing the gun are weak or have bad firing stance, or the recoil from the gun is bigger than I imagined.

True, but I think it'll have a huge market as a vehicle defense weapon. Those rounds will go through steel no issue, even normal ball ammo. Compact length and huge firepower are a win-win combo, plus that it's absolutely ambidextrous. I agree the rice is kinda high, but so is the STR-556 (US-made Steyr AUG). Seems like except for the AK and those SKS conversions, bullpups are expensive.

It is win, but in a AR, I look for both accurate/penetrating fire as well support role for cover fire. An ideal AR would be something like:

Bullpup design
7.62mm bullets
30-40 round magazine, which can be split into 15/16/18/20 dual chambered magazines
2'3" - 2'8" length gunwise
Burst-fire/automatic fire option
Effective range of 400 meters, up to 700 meters

I keep thinking that a hybrid of Halos' AR and BR would be the best rifle, incorporating AR's high rate of fire and close-range use with the BR's high accuracy and use at mid-range combat. Keep in mind that I have a slightly higher than normal interest in guns because I believe in the zombie apocalypse, hence my need for automatic fire.

Well, if you don't have any major skeletons the BATF will raise their eyebrows at, Impact Guns sells civilian transferable machine guns (just pay the $200 tax stamp!). They're kinda pricey though. $4,000 for a M11, $20,000 for a M-16.

And about your dream gun there, save auto fire, the RBF is pretty much what you're looking for. And I don't see how you'd need 400 meter effective range, have you even tried to shoot 100 meters?

Whoops, I meant 200 meters effective and 500 meters max. A shotgun's effective radius is within 50 meters, so 400 meters is a bit far-fetched, yea.

Although I'd classify the M16 as an AR, not a machine gun. And a M11? I've never heard of a M11 machine gun but a pistol yea, or the M110 semi-auto sniper rifle.

Check out their website. And by M11, I think they mean MAC-11, because it looks like the MAC-10. The ATF defines all select-fire/burst/auto weps as 'machine guns' regardless of duty weight, so that's what I/they mean by it. And 200 meters is much more reasonable, the RBF is definitely capable of something like that (with a magnification scope of course).

Personally though, I'm kindof anti-AR just because everybody's doing it! I've always had a soft spot for esoteric stuff and I guess that goes with guns too. My firearms wet dream is to have a Beretta 93R as a daily-carry gun.

Another cool gun to look at is the FN Herstal Five-Seven. It weighs a little as a Glock-17, has 20 round mags from the factory, and if you can find the ammo (it's a proprietary caliber, same as the P90), you'll have flat ballistics to 100yds and the round itself, even in std ball/fmj form, can penetrate some body armor. Plus the gun's got a picatinny on it already, ripe for a laser or light

Adding this in, Shernic Gun Works also makes a $150 stock kit for the SKS. Not quite as futuristic but it looks lighter and more 'tacti-cool' than the CBRPS version.
www.sgworks.com