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Ironytaken wrote...
Sin1386 wrote...
And sometimes a "religious" person acts like a savage compared to an atheist. The way you type your posts makes me see the heavy ignorant bias.
im sorry i don't quite understand. care to explain ?
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Sin1386 wrote...
Ironytaken wrote...
Sin1386 wrote...
And sometimes a "religious" person acts like a savage compared to an atheist. The way you type your posts makes me see the heavy ignorant bias.
im sorry i don't quite understand. care to explain ?
Why the hell are you using the example and comparing it to an atheist?
Also the way you phrased it made it look bad.
An atheist is an empty word. It really has no other purpose than to define someone who has a disbelief in a god. It is nothing else. It will tell you nothing more about the person and people who are atheist hold nothing else in relation other than the disbelief in a god.
Basically it is pointless to use "atheist" in your example.
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Ironytaken wrote...
Sin1386 wrote...
Ironytaken wrote...
Sin1386 wrote...
And sometimes a "religious" person acts like a savage compared to an atheist. The way you type your posts makes me see the heavy ignorant bias.
im sorry i don't quite understand. care to explain ?
Why the hell are you using the example and comparing it to an atheist?
Also the way you phrased it made it look bad.
An atheist is an empty word. It really has no other purpose than to define someone who has a disbelief in a god. It is nothing else. It will tell you nothing more about the person and people who are atheist hold nothing else in relation other than the disbelief in a god.
Basically it is pointless to use "atheist" in your example.
hes just going after extremists and zealots
in cases yea religious 'fanatics' can be some scary shit.
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Sin1386 wrote...
if think all religion is like, blowing up Heathens in a suicide bomb and go to heaven and screw 72 virgins, then u're wrong.*sigh*
Look, the fact that you have "faith" in something without decent evidence is already irrational.
okay I respect your "faith" , and I don't force u to believe mine
What he has is a lack of faith. Big difference.
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@ ironytaken : oh okay, Point taken. sorry it doesn't come out right, lol.
@ Rbz : yes that's why its called faith. having faith is more than just believing.
try to see this from a different point of view. have u ever pray , and felt ure so relieved ? that kind of things needs faith, even as small as pea.
from a religious person point of view, not believing a God is irrational. so it all depends. but I still respect u.
and what i meant was his "pricipal" or what he believe. haha, sorry my bad.
@ Rbz : yes that's why its called faith. having faith is more than just believing.
try to see this from a different point of view. have u ever pray , and felt ure so relieved ? that kind of things needs faith, even as small as pea.
from a religious person point of view, not believing a God is irrational. so it all depends. but I still respect u.
and what i meant was his "pricipal" or what he believe. haha, sorry my bad.
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mibuchiha
Fakku Elder
Rbz wrote...
Wow! Being irrational is mandatory.Lol, I suffer from the same shitty law too. Got no choice but to act it up...
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Everyone has a different hell ..... The one with 500 virgins .... I'd pass on that one any time ....it dosnt say what age the virgins are .... it dosnt say how they'll look and most of all to get along with 500 girls and teach them how to have sex is seriously a curse not a blessing ....
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i wonder why for the past few days ppl started to post this kind of topics.
- anyway for me it is up to you to believe or not.
- some parents might scared their little children by telling them these kind of things.
- some people devoted themselves by living in this kind of fantasies.
- Some religions might touch on this.
it is not something that we can answer it casually without deeper understanding.
Well, just try to do some research of your own rather than just thinking about it.
ow, sorry mind them. some people wont believe this without scientific explanation.
- anyway for me it is up to you to believe or not.
- some parents might scared their little children by telling them these kind of things.
- some people devoted themselves by living in this kind of fantasies.
- Some religions might touch on this.
it is not something that we can answer it casually without deeper understanding.
Well, just try to do some research of your own rather than just thinking about it.
ow, sorry mind them. some people wont believe this without scientific explanation.
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I was raised as an orthodox christian so I might be able to offer a different point of view in this matter than what's already been said (even though I skipped page 2 of this thread since everyone was looking at the issue from a totally different viewpoint).
Now, what I remember from 8 consecutive years of obligatory religious lessons from elementary to high school, "Hell" is not a place in the core of the earth with flaming rivers and cauldrons with siners. In the same manner, I presume, "Heaven" is not a huge white library of knowledge (though I must say it'd be a very very interesting thing if that was the case). What we perceive as heaven and hell are two opposite states of mind.
Now, unfortunately, it must've been more than seven years since I heard/read that (I don't even recall if the teacher said it or if it was written in the book) but here's the gist of it. Taking for granted that "souls are eternal", we're supposed to have a little bit of our consciousness after we die, right? So being a good guy, which would mean going to heaven, is living (or, rather, spending) the afterlife with God or in the presence of God or as part of Him, I'm not really sure how that's supposed to work out since the phrase (see below) I recall is about the alternative. Hell on the other hand is "Being without God". To make this more understandable, Hell is when a bad person, driven away from the path of God dies and is refused to go to Heaven (see above for the interpretation of "heaven"). Now, what's supposed to be happening is that the soul, having this bit of consciousness or grasp of the situation or whatever, now knows that God's real and it's by his/her own fault that he can't join him. Thus Hell is spending the afterlife alone and in sorrow, remorse and all these negative feelings knowing that you caused your own downfall and walked away from God.
Where Satan and all the fallen angels fit in I'm not exactly sure but I reckon they're just souls (higher than ours perhaps?) that are in the same situation as the rest of us. Maybe lament a bit more, giving us images of the spiritual world that they were once part of via telepathy (Note: this paragraph was completely made out of my imagination and fruitless attempt to explain the metaphysical. Probably none of it is how the church sees it.)
I hope I helped you guys see the matter through the scope of the orthodox church. If you're also knowledgeable of this and find any mistakes please mention them, as I said, it's been about 7-8 years since I read/heard the phrase "Hell is living without God" and all of the above is based on this.
On a side note, knowing all this and reciting it here doesn't mean that I personally believe them. It's just how a certain people view the matter. From my point of view it's kinda hard believing in the perseverance of a part of us after death, much more with memories of our life and grasp of the situation. Reincarnation (with the obvious memory wipe) -sounds- much more reasonable if we're to say that souls, like energy and matter, exist in a specific amount and are thus recycling.
Now, what I remember from 8 consecutive years of obligatory religious lessons from elementary to high school, "Hell" is not a place in the core of the earth with flaming rivers and cauldrons with siners. In the same manner, I presume, "Heaven" is not a huge white library of knowledge (though I must say it'd be a very very interesting thing if that was the case). What we perceive as heaven and hell are two opposite states of mind.
Now, unfortunately, it must've been more than seven years since I heard/read that (I don't even recall if the teacher said it or if it was written in the book) but here's the gist of it. Taking for granted that "souls are eternal", we're supposed to have a little bit of our consciousness after we die, right? So being a good guy, which would mean going to heaven, is living (or, rather, spending) the afterlife with God or in the presence of God or as part of Him, I'm not really sure how that's supposed to work out since the phrase (see below) I recall is about the alternative. Hell on the other hand is "Being without God". To make this more understandable, Hell is when a bad person, driven away from the path of God dies and is refused to go to Heaven (see above for the interpretation of "heaven"). Now, what's supposed to be happening is that the soul, having this bit of consciousness or grasp of the situation or whatever, now knows that God's real and it's by his/her own fault that he can't join him. Thus Hell is spending the afterlife alone and in sorrow, remorse and all these negative feelings knowing that you caused your own downfall and walked away from God.
Where Satan and all the fallen angels fit in I'm not exactly sure but I reckon they're just souls (higher than ours perhaps?) that are in the same situation as the rest of us. Maybe lament a bit more, giving us images of the spiritual world that they were once part of via telepathy (Note: this paragraph was completely made out of my imagination and fruitless attempt to explain the metaphysical. Probably none of it is how the church sees it.)
I hope I helped you guys see the matter through the scope of the orthodox church. If you're also knowledgeable of this and find any mistakes please mention them, as I said, it's been about 7-8 years since I read/heard the phrase "Hell is living without God" and all of the above is based on this.
On a side note, knowing all this and reciting it here doesn't mean that I personally believe them. It's just how a certain people view the matter. From my point of view it's kinda hard believing in the perseverance of a part of us after death, much more with memories of our life and grasp of the situation. Reincarnation (with the obvious memory wipe) -sounds- much more reasonable if we're to say that souls, like energy and matter, exist in a specific amount and are thus recycling.
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Ranter wrote...
I was raised as an orthodox christian so I might be able to offer a different point of view in this matter than what's already been said (even though I skipped page 2 of this thread since everyone was looking at the issue from a totally different viewpoint).Now, what I remember from 8 consecutive years of obligatory religious lessons from elementary to high school, "Hell" is not a place in the core of the earth with flaming rivers and cauldrons with siners. In the same manner, I presume, "Heaven" is not a huge white library of knowledge (though I must say it'd be a very very interesting thing if that was the case). What we perceive as heaven and hell are two opposite states of mind.
Now, unfortunately, it must've been more than seven years since I heard/read that (I don't even recall if the teacher said it or if it was written in the book) but here's the gist of it. Taking for granted that "souls are eternal", we're supposed to have a little bit of our consciousness after we die, right? So being a good guy, which would mean going to heaven, is living (or, rather, spending) the afterlife with God or in the presence of God or as part of Him, I'm not really sure how that's supposed to work out since the phrase (see below) I recall is about the alternative. Hell on the other hand is "Being without God". To make this more understandable, Hell is when a bad person, driven away from the path of God dies and is refused to go to Heaven (see above for the interpretation of "heaven"). Now, what's supposed to be happening is that the soul, having this bit of consciousness or grasp of the situation or whatever, now knows that God's real and it's by his/her own fault that he can't join him. Thus Hell is spending the afterlife alone and in sorrow, remorse and all these negative feelings knowing that you caused your own downfall and walked away from God.
Where Satan and all the fallen angels fit in I'm not exactly sure but I reckon they're just souls (higher than ours perhaps?) that are in the same situation as the rest of us. Maybe lament a bit more, giving us images of the spiritual world that they were once part of via telepathy (Note: this paragraph was completely made out of my imagination and fruitless attempt to explain the metaphysical. Probably none of it is how the church sees it.)
I hope I helped you guys see the matter through the scope of the orthodox church. If you're also knowledgeable of this and find any mistakes please mention them, as I said, it's been about 7-8 years since I read/heard the phrase "Hell is living without God" and all of the above is based on this.
On a side note, knowing all this and reciting it here doesn't mean that I personally believe them. It's just how a certain people view the matter. From my point of view it's kinda hard believing in the perseverance of a part of us after death, much more with memories of our life and grasp of the situation. Reincarnation (with the obvious memory wipe) -sounds- much more reasonable if we're to say that souls, like energy and matter, exist in a specific amount and are thus recycling.
you expect any of us to spend time reading that? Go to hell bro
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mwong04 wrote...
you expect any of us to spend time reading that? Go to hell brotl;dr Hell is a state of mind, not an actual place, if you believe in heaven or hell that is. If you don't it's a way to scare the masses
You asked, I answered. In detail. Didn't know I should've limited it to x words. My bad.