Limits to love

this is a more serious question, but I figured it more appropriate to put in this in here than the serious discussion.

What do you think the limit of love is? When does the love factor get drowned out by other factors, like age, gender, or ethnicity?

I was curious on what people thought on this.

thanks!

Can you specify the question more? Are you asking if love can overcome age/race/gender?

I think this happens all the time with homosexuality of realizing what their preference is - when a racist family brings home a spanish/black boyfriend/girlfriend.

It pretty much happens all the time, it's not all that surprising. You can't help who you fall for.

Im asking what you, personally, think the limit of love is.

For example, you might think that only men and women should love each other.

Or you might think that same sex people can love, but one person cant be more than 10 years older than the other.

Or you think that all love but Incest is inexcusable, all that.

Just some examples, not my opinions.

thanks!

Human + non-sentient being

That's probably the only one I can't fathom.

Then it's not really the limit of love, but rather the limit of society's standards. Love clearly doesn't have a limit. Anyone can love any person or thing they want, and that's just how it is. But considering that people still have a problem with two men or two (hot) women getting together, society still has a long way to go.

well, I know societies limits on love, I was more curious on what others personally saw as unacceptable.

Me, personally, I dont have any objection to any kind of love, so long as its love... but if your in love with a six year old, you best wait till she/he's able to make responsible, rational decisions before you try to jump their bones.

thanks!

If it's what's our limits. I'll have to go with Tegumi. Loving animals and having sexual relations with them can lead to death.

Ask the gay guy who was boned by a horse.

Generally speaking, anything within the age of consent is fine by me. Even if someone wants to marry their dishwasher or their pet goat, please go ahead, by all means. I wouldn't want to place restrictions on anyone else.

Personally, however, I'm much more conservative.
Some of it is just gut feelings of course, nothing too rational: For example, I couldn't imagine more than a 2-3 years' age difference. Especially younger woman/older guy pairings just tend to earn my disgust right away.
On the other hand, my pessimism tends to get the better of me sometimes: For example, I also have a hard time believing in love transcending serious cultural gaps. Not out of xenophobia - I'm perhaps simply a lick too pessimistic; I couldn't imagine say, a papuan aboriginal and an icelander working it out too well in the long run.

as you would put it - thanks!

I think it depends on the age really. Hell I'm living with a guy 4 years older then me. But I'm also 19. If you were 19 and dating a girl 4 years younger then you.. then standards say No.

An old proverb says
"people laugh at a couple of ten and thirty; people applaud a couple of 80 and 100," so you might be right ^.~
Just please let me make it clear that I'm not trying to censure anyone for their way of life. As said, as far as what I find "permissible" goes, I give everyone most ample leeway.
Personally though, I can't help it - older-guy relationships easily smack of "sugar daddy", "trophy wife", or even worse, abuse to me. Oh and no, I'm no complete sexist, I also find relationships with a significantly older woman disgusting - even though the proverb goes "cooking is best learnt on old pans".
Then there's also a small rational part to it: As the age distance between those involved increases, my suspension of disbelief begins to lapse increasingly, too. I just can't imagine people who are a decade or more apart living in the same mental world. And to me that is in part what love is about, too - a sort of mutual understanding.


Yeah, well. Want an offensive glance into my mind?

heh heh... "Thanks"...

REGARDLESS!

The thing with animal-human love, with me... is that there's no way you can really say its two sided. You cant prove a dog loves you romantically any more than he loves you like a dog would normally.

...so basically, its kinda like animal rape...

BUT if a human is really that in love with a dog, then... well, dogs cant say no! =3

...unless they bite your penis off. thats a "No", for any species.

and age... well, I've had two girlfriends, both of which were five years older than me. They were bothered by it a little, but I reminded them of that saying above.

thanks!

So you're 27 and with a woman who is 30? Unless that was an odd example. I had it thought that you were much younger then that.

Actually, I never went to school with him. Technically he graduated as I was going in lol. But we met on here, oddly enough.

Yes I am, yes she is.



All human relationships with animals are one-sided. Whether you keep an animal as food or work-force, or as an emotional dumpster ("pet"), or as a guardian, or whether you rape it. Simply because humans and animals are not, can can never be eye-to-eye. We have no surefire way of communication, so we project onto animals whatever we please. If you want that projection to be romantic love - that seems very strange, but it really isn't so different from the other anthropomorphisms we force upon animals.
Then there's people who fall in love with inanimate objects too. That's guaranteed to be very one-sided. But hey, go ahead and marry your washing machines guys 'n' gals, if you're so inclined. Fine by me. Doesn't sound too healthy. But harmless at least.



Probably. While I'm far from being a zoophile, I must say as far as ethics are concerned I don't care. This is going to sound cruel, but even so: I have a very utilitarian view of animals ("the farmer's love for animals looks at the pig and sees the sausage"), they're here to satisfy our needs, it's what humans do to/with their surroundings. It's the human condition. As far as ethics go, it's the same to me whether you do it with a washing machine or a horse. I do however find the latter incredibly disgusting on a personal level.

To me, it's more personal disgust than anything else that makes zoophilia a big NO-NO!

Yeah, usually when you can prove something like that, you call it 'sentience'.

The only limit to love I've ever thought of is people falling in love with objects. Like, some lady married the Eiffel Tower. I mean, it's ok, do it, fine. But I've always wondered 'why'.

Other than that, age is no boundary, neither gender nor any other features.

I believe that if both are consenting and know every detail of what is happening, then there should be no problem. Of course, that means that a headstrong young girl could marry an old man. Sure, it's no problem. Her judgement knows no better. As long as no crimes are committed and they both get along, whatever. That also rules out animals, who cannot decide. But if it's purely sexual and the dog is happily trained, then that can roll too. I mean, we train our dogs to sit and that's not considered violation of its rights. Sure, the scale is far different, but still.

However, I also hold the other blatant view of not holding someone against their will. So no basement dad or nothin', since it's one sided and cruel.
Of course, some go in for that sort of thing. But willingly...

Limit to love, or where I draw the line, is smothering the one you love to the point they can't even operate. Like those mothers who have to inspect every single thing you do. You all know what I'm talking about.