Presidential requirements

This is a legit conclusion. Like Trump he is not really a member of the party he is running for and lacks the natural pushback that all other candidates enjoy. I have the opinion that Sanders can handle negotiations, but that's of course in the possible or impossible future.

Back to your reply.

Sanders as a politician didn't sit around for decades, doing nothing; he made it to mayor, congressman and senator and helped shaping his city and state to the better. Re-election with 71% isn't something that just happens. He knows how to govern and he knows how to negotiate with the two parties. And given that European countries work, I think he can make social politics work in the USA. Not in a flash, not without resistance of the old league, but gradually. He has the big benefit of not being in the pockets of Wallstreet and only depended on the people themselves.

Fact is, the USA has many problems Sanders is talking for years and that have to be engaged. The justice system, schools, Citizens United, the poor people of america, etc. Funny enough, Clinton took some of those in her own program recently and well, that's already a fine job done by Sanders, forcing Clinton to the left.

The biggest hump for Sanders is of course the question if he actually manages to beat that monster Clinton. People are hopeful, but even with amazing numbers he is still far behind her. But we'll see how the first debate will turn out and if Joe will join the fray.

He's well established but that doesn't mean he doesn't play politics like Clinton and the rest.

He's voted several times for the continuation of the Iraq war despite being "pro-peace". He's voted twice to expand the Military industrial complex too. Maybe he's not your typical lefty but I didn't utter a single lie about him. If you're going to call me a liar you better back up your claims with sources.

His economic plans are foolhearty at best. His plan of fighting govt. incompetence/failures is by making it bigger and with more power.

He's a shining example of a modern day demagogue. National Socialism akin to 1930's fascism.

Oh, good. Godwin's Law.

Sanders was and is a big opponent of the Iraq War. He did vote for the "Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Terrorists" in the wake of 9/11, a decision he regrets and that definitely counts as a mistake, but he otherwise always opposed votes for the continuation of war against Iraq. (https://berniesanders.com/issues/war-and-peace/)

On immigration issue he supported the strengthening of border control, but supported the waive of deportations of people that are already in the country and is welcoming to immigrants who go the lawful way (http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/bernie-sanders-believe-candidate-stands-10-issues/)

He also don't want to punish outsourcing into infinity, but rather encourage fair jobs in the country,´he particularity talked about that in relationship to trade treaties he deems stupid. (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rep-bernie-sanders/the-tpp-must-be-defeated_b_7352166.html)

I think you got him wrong on many terms.

I was thinking more of Italy 1930's not Hitler. But yeah, scream GODWIN'S LAW all you want.

>The lawful way
You mean the way that doesn't work? Not to mention he's already stated that immigration hurts his 15USD min wage since it makes an excess of labor. Amnesty is a good way foward but when you're a trying to nationalize healthcare and make greater profit margins from the business you're trying to legally lock in, an increased and cheaper worker force is not compatible with your plan.

>he regrets voting for the Military industrial complex
Doesn't excuse the fact that he did, and that his state profited. Plus he voted on a lot of these things 1993, years before 9/11. He continued to support bloated military defense bills that would ultimately be used to sustain the war he allegedly disagreed with.

And although I also don't agree with the TPP, to insist that "American" jobs were loss is malicious.
Ending free trade agreements does not make domestic business more profitable, it simply eliminates the cheaper option which is trade. The key reason that trade is occurring is because two parties have agreed that they will both benefit from that trade, not the state to fund it's countless social programs. Essentially, limiting free trade wastes resources. We are forced to spend money on higher costs of domestic labor when those resources may have been spent expanding businesses in turn, hiring more people or providing goods and services at a lower cost. Wanting to nationalize the private sector won't end well for us.

Ultimately the arguments in his TPP article don't address that, or his giant 18.5 Trillion spending plan.

It's not unreasonable to associate 1930's facism with the Reich if you're not specifying, no?

The legal ways of immigration are of course imperfect, but Sanders also wants to work on fixing them. If that's all working with his ideas of social security net, I don't know. It worked for Europe for a long time. Only now, with the unusual flow of war refugees it's even starting to wiggle. I think the USA can handle the care of legal immigrants.

He voted on some military bills, some of it had other important other points attached to them he deemed more important. The US law system is a bit sneaky in that regard. And yes, I am not going to deny that he indeed vote in favour two times without any important other bill attached. Clearly mistakes, but both over a decade ago and is that a reason to disregard him as someone who votes into bloated military bills? Because more often then not, he doesn't.

And Sanders isn't against trade at all, he just dislikes his specific agreements since he deems them bad overall.

I am not saying that Bernie Sanders is a perfect human or a perfect presidential candidate. I am saying you are underselling and mislabelling him. Calling upon the comparison of facism is uncalled for.

Naw, his economic policies/beliefs are eerily similar as I mentioned earlier. I'm not calling him a Nazi or a violent dictator. Just a misguided socialist with nationalist tendencies.

And yep, he's not comfortable with free trade because as in the HuffPo article reads, those "American" jobs go elsewhere because people like not spending a lot of money. And as I keep mentioning, immigration causes a surplus in the labor market, not compatible with his idea of a 15 dollar min. wage. He's said the poor will get poorer as a result, and the rich will get richer from cheap labor.

When someone unironically says, "You don't necessarily need a choice of 23 underarm spray deodorants or of 18 different pairs of sneakers when children are hungry in this country.”..It's hard to take their economic principles seriously.

Probably gonna vote for sanders. He seems like he'll do the least harm. Though, I fear that Clinton will win because people will want a woman in office and hippies will vote for her just because she's a democrat.

I think you're the first person I've seen act like being a woman is an obvious advantage in politics. And Sanders is for all intents and purposes a democrat as well. He's also way more appealing to "hippies" than Clinton is.

A lot of people want a woman in office. Maybe it's because they think there's actually gender inequality or maybe it's just for shits and giggles, but I hear it a lot.

What I meant about Clinton being the obvious choice for hippies was that she's the most well known democrat. People will vote for her just because she's a democrat.

I'd be willing to vote Bernie even if all he wanted was to get money out of politics. This is the biggest issue that no other candidate will seriously attack. Can Bernie really do it? ... I'll try to be optimistic, because I don't see anyone else even trying. Yeah, Trump exposed corruption. So what? We all knew it was a thing. Now we also know he played the game too, so why should we buy into what he's saying? If nothing else, people can agree that Bernie is a consistent politician who advocates for the common man. Good enough for me, especially with all the other clowns in the race.

They all have some good points but they all suck as individuals.

This man is clearly intelligent.



The notion of nationalism injected in people's choices (the economy) is sickening to say the least.

11/3 edit

http://thefederalist.com/2015/11/03/bernie-sanders-voted-for-criminal-justice-measures-hes-denouncing/

Funny how he was part of the problem he's denouncing now without admitting to being part of a problem.