Soda = Poison
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Sugar is not linked to the development of diabetes? Even after the scientific proof?
Diabetes has different stages... if it is not taken care of, it will get worse. If you limit your carbs, and eat no sugar products, it's proven some people can even stop taking medicine.
While on the other hand, eat your sugar junk food, and you might have to start taking shots.
Are you still telling me that sugar does not play a role in the development of diabetes?
I'll try and dig up some resources on the first cases of diabetes, and the dates that appear around the time sugar products became increasingly used. But for now, I don't have any resources, it'll take a bit digging to back up this.
Diabetes has different stages... if it is not taken care of, it will get worse. If you limit your carbs, and eat no sugar products, it's proven some people can even stop taking medicine.
While on the other hand, eat your sugar junk food, and you might have to start taking shots.
Are you still telling me that sugar does not play a role in the development of diabetes?
I'll try and dig up some resources on the first cases of diabetes, and the dates that appear around the time sugar products became increasingly used. But for now, I don't have any resources, it'll take a bit digging to back up this.
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Ahh, now I understand. you have been talking about the increasing severity of diabetes, yes I agree, all the evidence shows low sugar diets can slow or stop the progression of diabetes. I was referring to the initial development of diabetes, not the continuing development. Sugar/carbs are not directly linked to initially developing diabetes, but once someone has it, yes sugar and other carbs need to be strictly regulated as to avoid making things worse and reduce symptoms. Although as a side note, people with type 1 diabetes will need insulin regardless, it's type two that can be managed in many cases by diet and exercise alone.
It would seem we have been talking about two different things, that makes things clearer.
To summarize for any other readers, sugar does not increase the risk of a none diabetic developing diabetes. However, once diabetes has initially developed, a low carb low sugar diet may not only prevent it from getting worse but in the case of type 2, it may entirely manage it making medicine unnecessary most of the time.
It would seem we have been talking about two different things, that makes things clearer.
To summarize for any other readers, sugar does not increase the risk of a none diabetic developing diabetes. However, once diabetes has initially developed, a low carb low sugar diet may not only prevent it from getting worse but in the case of type 2, it may entirely manage it making medicine unnecessary most of the time.
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Ah, yeah I should have been more specific, when I say development, that could mean anything.. and mislead you. And with popular misconception of Sugar causing diabetes, I can see how my statements really fit in with that.
I rarely apologize, but giving my apologies now, because my vagueness caused this argument to go astray!
I rarely apologize, but giving my apologies now, because my vagueness caused this argument to go astray!
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Ha ha, s'ok. I was just as guilty of arguing based on a small difference in semantics. Had we not both been arguing based on misunderstandings that could have been a pretty good debate. :lol:
But to go back to your initial topic, I don't particularly like aspartame either. Just like saccharine, it should be ok in moderation, but I prefer to avoid it. From my understanding, there hasn't been any really credible evidence suggesting splenda is dangerous although there have been plenty of claims that it causes things like cancer, mood swings, fatigue, and anything else people can throw at it. Personally I prefer to avoid artificial sweeteners altogether, but splenda does seem to be a smarter choice then aspartame or saccharine.
But to go back to your initial topic, I don't particularly like aspartame either. Just like saccharine, it should be ok in moderation, but I prefer to avoid it. From my understanding, there hasn't been any really credible evidence suggesting splenda is dangerous although there have been plenty of claims that it causes things like cancer, mood swings, fatigue, and anything else people can throw at it. Personally I prefer to avoid artificial sweeteners altogether, but splenda does seem to be a smarter choice then aspartame or saccharine.
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yeah we just found out that my sister is hypoclyceimic and she was switching from straight suger based foods to diet foods and a month later i saw a documentary on aspertame and after i saw it i made my sister stop using aspertame based foods and she got mad because she had just gotten used to diet foods and now she had to move to just splenda based foods
ps: diet without the t is die.
ps: diet without the t is die.
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Glad I rarely drink soda >_>. So is Splenda good? I see it blowing up in the market and labeled on almost everything I buy that use to contained a lot amount of sugar.
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Well splenda isn't scientifically proven to have any negative side effects. There have been plenty of claims that it causes all the same problems as saccharine and aspartame and a few more, but there isn't significant scientific evidence to support said claims.
When it comes to taste, I'm not a big fan of any of them but I think aspartame is better then the other two.
When it comes to taste, I'm not a big fan of any of them but I think aspartame is better then the other two.
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Could you back up your claim that Aspartame is poisonous? In the body it breaks down into several things, like aspartic acid, phenylalanine, methanol, and formaldehyde. Now before you go off on formaldehyde, it is the basic building block for many organic compounds, and is found in your body in small levels anyway. aspartic acid is an amino acid, and its conjugate base is a neurotransmitter, and once again, this is consumed in small amounts. Phenylalanine can cause issues in those with PKU (wiki it), but to most of us, it isn't a problem. Now the methanol can become an issue, but it is unproven as to whether or not this can cause serious side effects.
As for splenda, it's just a enantiomer of sugar, that has been chlorinated, and the Cl is bound to the sugar, so it isn't going to go off and kill you.
I'd love to hear a response, not trying to start a flame :lol:
By the way, I'm a Chemistry major, so this is very interesting to me.
As for splenda, it's just a enantiomer of sugar, that has been chlorinated, and the Cl is bound to the sugar, so it isn't going to go off and kill you.
I'd love to hear a response, not trying to start a flame :lol:
By the way, I'm a Chemistry major, so this is very interesting to me.
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jspren wrote...
Could you back up your claim that Aspartame is poisonous? In the body it breaks down into several things, like aspartic acid, phenylalanine, methanol, and formaldehyde. Now before you go off on formaldehyde, it is the basic building block for many organic compounds, and is found in your body in small levels anyway. aspartic acid is an amino acid, and its conjugate base is a neurotransmitter, and once again, this is consumed in small amounts. Phenylalanine can cause issues in those with PKU (wiki it), but to most of us, it isn't a problem. Now the methanol can become an issue, but it is unproven as to whether or not this can cause serious side effects. As for splenda, it's just a enantiomer of sugar, that has been chlorinated, and the Cl is bound to the sugar, so it isn't going to go off and kill you.
I'd love to hear a response, not trying to start a flame :lol:
By the way, I'm a Chemistry major, so this is very interesting to me.
You're almost right on what you said. Aspartame, the 1-methyl ester of the dipeptide aspartyl phenylalanine, is broken down in the body by hydrolysis of the peptide and ester bonds to aspartate, phenylalanine, and methanol. Now, aspartate and phenylalanine are both common amino acids, and deficiency in either one will cause problems (although, as jspren said, individuals with phenylketonuria should avoid consuming it), but unless you're a vegetarian/vegan, normally you don't need to worry about this.
As for methanol, this compound is well known for being extremely toxic; in fact, small amounts of it are used to denature ethanol that is to be sold for non-beverage use. Methanol is oxidised in the body to methanal, or what is commonly known as formaldehyde. A very toxic substance, formaldehyde was used to preserve insects to be mounted, and even a relatively low concentration of it in the body can cause blindness and death (it mainly targets the eyes). However, as jspren said, formaldehyde is common as an intermediate in many biological pathways, and is usually present in your body anyway in concentrations your body is more than able to handle. However, if you insist, you could still try to avoid aspartame if you want. I personally dislike that bitter aftertaste anyway.
Splenda, or sucralose, is not an enantiomer of sugar, but a sugar derivative, with three chlorines substituted in place of hydroxyl groups (two in the furanose fructose ring and one in the pyranose glucose ring). It was discovered by accident, but it is probably, according to what we know atm, the safest artificial sweetener. Apart from aspartame, cyclamate and saccharin were popular, but both were suspected of being carcinogens, resulting in a ban in cyclamate and a requirement to place warnings on products if saccharin is used.
Sucralose is metabolised in your body, and contains slightly more energy per gram than sucrose itself, but is about 600 times sweeter than sucrose. Now, the use of carbohydrates in the body is large and diverse, and I can never hope to cover even most of it here. However, let's just say this; even if the chlorine is released, it will be in the anionic form, which is harmless. Even if it's released as a free radical through UV light or something (for those of you who don't know, free radicals are bad), your body has many layers of defense, such as the tocopherols (vitamin E).
In short, stop worrying so much and just enjoy life.
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David wrote...
I think the great Minsc and Lurking is gone so you won't get a very good debate :[.Minsc yes, Lurking no. I'm still around although I'm going to be moving around a bit in the next couple months(subsequently I'm not sure what my internet/computer situation will be), so I dunno if I'll be around then.
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Ku! I feel that Soda is bad for you no matter if it's sugarfree or not.
Sugary sodas will make you fat and lethargic (and diabetic).
Caffeinated sodas will overstimulate you.
Really, all those artificial sweeteners, blech! Even if they turn out to be harmless, which somehow I seriously doubt, then I still think they'd kill you with their sickening taste! I mean seriously, there's a limit to how sweet something should be!
Honestly there's really nothing good about soda. Some people think it tastes good and enjoy the fizziness... well great. Weirdos...
If you honestly have to have soda, I say just drink the kind with freaken REAL SUGAR in it and go for a jog, ya fatties! Diet sodas are no shortcut!
Sugary sodas will make you fat and lethargic (and diabetic).
Caffeinated sodas will overstimulate you.
Really, all those artificial sweeteners, blech! Even if they turn out to be harmless, which somehow I seriously doubt, then I still think they'd kill you with their sickening taste! I mean seriously, there's a limit to how sweet something should be!
Honestly there's really nothing good about soda. Some people think it tastes good and enjoy the fizziness... well great. Weirdos...
If you honestly have to have soda, I say just drink the kind with freaken REAL SUGAR in it and go for a jog, ya fatties! Diet sodas are no shortcut!
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Minsc wrote...
Most Soda (or pop), has an ingredient known as Aspartame. It's actually rated like the number 2 legal poison in America.Most people don't know about this, but if you drink a lot of Soda... try and get something like Diet Rite (or anything with Splenda in it), and make sure it doesn't say Aspartame.
I won't go into details about the side effects... but let's say it can cause short to memory loss, among many other things.
I drink the crap out of it. I don't care if it's bad for me because I love the taste.
