What do we make of this? #HHisDead
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animefreak_usa
Child of Samael
The Twitter comments are hilarious. I have my thoughts on this.... actually three. Either it's true (which I doubt because jacob isn't a douche...but business wise makes sense. That how business works but if that was the case the subscription price would rise, books would be two tiered aka shit Tokyo pop or project h version for 19 and the current publication style for more.), the owner is having doubts and this is his attempt to save face, which as a long time pirate I never used his or any streaming sites so meh, or this isn't him, account hacked, post flame words to riled up the left unwash masses.
There's a fourth but I don't think it could be. He thought he could still upload and profit on piracy while having Jacob's floated licenses animu on site. No one that naive.
With that I'll wait for jacob respond since I don't care if it true or not. I have no dog in this fight.
There's a fourth but I don't think it could be. He thought he could still upload and profit on piracy while having Jacob's floated licenses animu on site. No one that naive.
With that I'll wait for jacob respond since I don't care if it true or not. I have no dog in this fight.
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Minikai
Play Umineko :)
It sounds to me like this "Papa HH" guy fucked something up on his end, doesn't want to take the blame so he's trying to pass the buck and say its Fakku's fault. Then plugs his social media at the end to try to get a drop of clout.
It's incredibly sus.
It's incredibly sus.
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animefreak_usa
Child of Samael
Minikai wrote...
It sounds to me like this "Papa HH" guy fucked something up on his end, doesn't want to take the blame so he's trying to pass the buck and say its Fakku's fault. Then plugs his social media at the end to try to get a drop of clout.It's incredibly sus.
That valid argument. Could be the true or close to it.
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Man those twitter comments make me sad... Rather than actually supporting artists/studios they want everything for FREE.
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animefreak_usa
Child of Samael
Jokke09 wrote...
Man those twitter comments make me sad... Rather than actually supporting artists/studios they want everything for FREE.I have a theory. The new generation don't have a recollection about the bad times of anime and manga. They grew up in the high DSL to broadband age. They don't remember the pirate age of trading VHS and vcds on bbs or the shit rez avi 240p or worse 56k dl or when anime was scarce and costly. They never had to kick in on a donation pool for getting the media and transition. None had to finance their comiket trip with a massive gathering of raw DVDs and tankobons or find people in Japan to get the media.
All they see is 'my free shit isn't easily found I'm gonna cry and rant'.
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Taz_9000
Cafe Regular
1. who would had over website credential before signing a proper contract.
2. i very much fakku will use the same CDN, am sure they would have changed.
3. fakku probably did most of the licence stuff and HH owner wasn't happy with how much share he is going to get.
2. i very much fakku will use the same CDN, am sure they would have changed.
3. fakku probably did most of the licence stuff and HH owner wasn't happy with how much share he is going to get.
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Do not trust fakku at all, ever. Take this from a veteran user who has been following their movements for over a decade. And whose scans they took and hosted on their site.
5 years ago Fakku got a license deal with Wani and pulled the rug out from under the feet of the entire fan community that was working on fan content. They sold us out. And to add insult to injury, they had the temerity to keep comiket doujins that had been uploaded by real fans to the web. They kept pirated content on their site despite supposedly being "legit". The excuse they gave? As they were in a transition phase and were still growing they couldn't afford to take down what was practically all their content. This is the exact same scummy excuse Crunchyroll gave when they picked up Blassreiter 11 years ago.
Also don't believe their BS about them making the deal after Wani started sending out C&Ds. Tenboro has been gagged and Fakku has threatened with legal action if he talks (publicly even. Jacob smugly told him that "Norway has courts too"). It took less than a week from the time Fakku supposedly was told to remove all wani content, to when they had an official license agreement. Getting one of those normally takes months, not days. I know this now as an adult.
5 years ago Fakku got a license deal with Wani and pulled the rug out from under the feet of the entire fan community that was working on fan content. They sold us out. And to add insult to injury, they had the temerity to keep comiket doujins that had been uploaded by real fans to the web. They kept pirated content on their site despite supposedly being "legit". The excuse they gave? As they were in a transition phase and were still growing they couldn't afford to take down what was practically all their content. This is the exact same scummy excuse Crunchyroll gave when they picked up Blassreiter 11 years ago.
Also don't believe their BS about them making the deal after Wani started sending out C&Ds. Tenboro has been gagged and Fakku has threatened with legal action if he talks (publicly even. Jacob smugly told him that "Norway has courts too"). It took less than a week from the time Fakku supposedly was told to remove all wani content, to when they had an official license agreement. Getting one of those normally takes months, not days. I know this now as an adult.
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Jokke09 wrote...
Man those twitter comments make me sad... Rather than actually supporting artists/studios they want everything for FREE.Yeah, it's a shame. They don't even care about the people that make the magic happen in the first place.
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WitnessX
Starship Captain
animefreak_usa wrote...
Jokke09 wrote...
Man those twitter comments make me sad... Rather than actually supporting artists/studios they want everything for FREE.I have a theory. The new generation don't have a recollection about the bad times of anime and manga. They grew up in the high DSL to broadband age. They don't remember the pirate age of trading VHS and vcds on bbs or the shit rez avi 240p or worse 56k dl or when anime was scarce and costly. They never had to kick in on a donation pool for getting the media and transition. None had to finance their comiket trip with a massive gathering of raw DVDs and tankobons or find people in Japan to get the media.
All they see is 'my free shit isn't easily found I'm gonna cry and rant'.
That's my guess. I don't have a problem paying for shit if I can get it from a legitimate source.
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Jokke09 wrote...
Man those twitter comments make me sad... Rather than actually supporting artists/studios they want everything for FREE.I have no stake in all this, but want to clarify how stuff like Fakku and Crunchyroll work... So, the subscribers pay their fee to the company. The company then uses that money to pay for the rights/licenses to the Japanese publishers/production committees of the works we see. Once that happens, Fakku/Crunchyroll have no further say in where the money goes. I doubt we'll ever be able to get real numbers on it, but I highly doubt animators/artists see much, if any, of the money moved around in this exchange, as with how most companies work, the publishers in Japan will try to hold on to as much of that as possible. This isn't a situation of "Oh, I paid a sub, and now the artists whose chapters I read will get an even split of my sub". First Fakku takes their cut, then the rest goes to the publishers, who do what they want with it.
Granted, this is solely for the regular magazine releases. Books and doujins would work differently. Books are probably even more complicated, as the artist has to agree to the book, it's not something where sole discretion rests with a magazine publisher. Then, I don't know if any of Fakku's books are like this as I don't keep track of every little thing, but many tankoubons are made up of chapters from different magazines if it's not a pure single story. That adds more wrinkles in. Still though, while it's much more likely for artists to get a larger chunk guaranteed to them with book releases, fees and such still have to be paid out to the publishers of the stuff.
Fakku and Crunchyroll always play the soapbox position of "We're allowing you to directly support the artists you love" argument, but that's only a half truth. You're supporting the owners of the works you love, not necessarily the artists. Heck, look at some of the older H anime licensed over the past couple years. Does anyone truly believe that in an industry where people move around a lot, the money for your sub is getting sent all the way to the animator who worked with that studio 8 years ago but has moved on to something else now? All these money exchanges only truly benefit rights holders, with maybe a clogged gutter trickle effect down to the artists/animators. Yeah, they might see a little bit of it, but it'll barely be anything 99% of the time.
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animefreak_usa
Child of Samael
gsusrocs wrote...
Jokke09 wrote...
Man those twitter comments make me sad... Rather than actually supporting artists/studios they want everything for FREE.I have no stake in all this, but want to clarify how stuff like Fakku and Crunchyroll work... So, the subscribers pay their fee to the company. The company then uses that money to pay for the rights/licenses to the Japanese publishers/production committees of the works we see. Once that happens, Fakku/Crunchyroll have no further say in where the money goes. I doubt we'll ever be able to get real numbers on it, but I highly doubt animators/artists see much, if any, of the money moved around in this exchange, as with how most companies work, the publishers in Japan will try to hold on to as much of that as possible. This isn't a situation of "Oh, I paid a sub, and now the artists whose chapters I read will get an even split of my sub". First Fakku takes their cut, then the rest goes to the publishers, who do what they want with it.
Granted, this is solely for the regular magazine releases. Books and doujins would work differently. Books are probably even more complicated, as the artist has to agree to the book, it's not something where sole discretion rests with a magazine publisher. Then, I don't know if any of Fakku's books are like this as I don't keep track of every little thing, but many tankoubons are made up of chapters from different magazines if it's not a pure single story. That adds more wrinkles in. Still though, while it's much more likely for artists to get a larger chunk guaranteed to them with book releases, fees and such still have to be paid out to the publishers of the stuff.
Fakku and Crunchyroll always play the soapbox position of "We're allowing you to directly support the artists you love" argument, but that's only a half truth. You're supporting the owners of the works you love, not necessarily the artists. Heck, look at some of the older H anime licensed over the past couple years. Does anyone truly believe that in an industry where people move around a lot, the money for your sub is getting sent all the way to the animator who worked with that studio 8 years ago but has moved on to something else now? All these money exchanges only truly benefit rights holders, with maybe a clogged gutter trickle effect down to the artists/animators. Yeah, they might see a little bit of it, but it'll barely be anything 99% of the time.
I don't disagree with this but fakku actually does make sure artist get a cut. https://www.fakku.net/forums/incoherent-babbling/japan-banned-from-fakku/page/3#4255136
As for the book deal im not sure. Yes it is a misnomer that buying localize stuff = they get the money, but it's more extra money then they get otherwise. Probley worth more for exposeure in the weeb west and more trips to cons. Plus from what they posted and stated it neat to see translated manga when you ever thought it would ever leave japan and the unwashed weebs smells at cons.
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animefreak_usa wrote...
gsusrocs wrote...
Jokke09 wrote...
Man those twitter comments make me sad... Rather than actually supporting artists/studios they want everything for FREE.I have no stake in all this, but want to clarify how stuff like Fakku and Crunchyroll work... So, the subscribers pay their fee to the company. The company then uses that money to pay for the rights/licenses to the Japanese publishers/production committees of the works we see. Once that happens, Fakku/Crunchyroll have no further say in where the money goes. I doubt we'll ever be able to get real numbers on it, but I highly doubt animators/artists see much, if any, of the money moved around in this exchange, as with how most companies work, the publishers in Japan will try to hold on to as much of that as possible. This isn't a situation of "Oh, I paid a sub, and now the artists whose chapters I read will get an even split of my sub". First Fakku takes their cut, then the rest goes to the publishers, who do what they want with it.
Granted, this is solely for the regular magazine releases. Books and doujins would work differently. Books are probably even more complicated, as the artist has to agree to the book, it's not something where sole discretion rests with a magazine publisher. Then, I don't know if any of Fakku's books are like this as I don't keep track of every little thing, but many tankoubons are made up of chapters from different magazines if it's not a pure single story. That adds more wrinkles in. Still though, while it's much more likely for artists to get a larger chunk guaranteed to them with book releases, fees and such still have to be paid out to the publishers of the stuff.
Fakku and Crunchyroll always play the soapbox position of "We're allowing you to directly support the artists you love" argument, but that's only a half truth. You're supporting the owners of the works you love, not necessarily the artists. Heck, look at some of the older H anime licensed over the past couple years. Does anyone truly believe that in an industry where people move around a lot, the money for your sub is getting sent all the way to the animator who worked with that studio 8 years ago but has moved on to something else now? All these money exchanges only truly benefit rights holders, with maybe a clogged gutter trickle effect down to the artists/animators. Yeah, they might see a little bit of it, but it'll barely be anything 99% of the time.
I don't disagree with this but fakku actually does make sure artist get a cut. https://www.fakku.net/forums/incoherent-babbling/japan-banned-from-fakku/page/3#4255136
As for the book deal im not sure. Yes it is a misnomer that buying localize stuff = they get the money, but it's more extra money then they get otherwise. Probley worth more for exposeure in the weeb west and more trips to cons. Plus from what they posted and stated it neat to see translated manga when you ever thought it would ever leave japan and the unwashed weebs smells at cons.
I reworked my statement because i didn't wanta use rumors and my personal ideals
The way I see it...
1) the artists draw their manga uncensored.
2) When going to the JP magazines they get censors added along the way (they still have the uncensored raws of course).
3) When Fakku and wani paired up, the artists simply sent over their uncensored raws to Fakku, and Fakku does the rest.
In other words even if the artists aren't doing fucking Scrooge McDuck diving into vaults of gold, they're getting a little extra money at essentially no effort on their part. The extra exposure also cannot be a negative and in the long run will get them more money.
The people who "lost out" are the pirates who had no interest in buying things in the first place. And even then all of the Fakku manga are uploaded on multiple different sites free to pirate (I won't name which ones but you could google them in like 10 seconds), so anyone who parades against Fakku while secretly downloading their shit are hypocrites, and anyone who doesn't take advantage of the free pirated manga are being spiteful for no reason. And yeah, a lot of the old wani manga (stuff from like 10+ years ago) taht got hit by the purge, that sucks. But at the end of the day even the pirates are better off as we now get significantly more uncensored hentai at the cost of some 10+ year old low quality manga.
Back on topic though, I haven't been following HH or what was going on with that site as I barely used it anyway. I'll wait until Jacob or one of the admins gives their statement and then combine the two to piece together, since chances are both sides are only going to tell half truths (that's just how the world works).
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Just use any other illegal streaming website out of the dozens out there if you are so desperate to get your drawn porn. I've never understood this cult-like fanbase HH has, it's not the first and only hentai streaming website out there and also it's not even the best one because others have a more vast catalogue.
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sawr
The No One
@zarion
Have to admit that a lot of people addict on free hentai. They understand that it's free outside Japan in the name of "fan community". What a wreck logic.
It's true that hard to read/watch outside Japan but that's how the thing works. This have no different than normal manga or even normal movie that have to be license to localize in other country. Nothing is free and FAKKU is working to make it happen outside Japan LEGALLY. It's their right to send DMCA to who scanlate their contents. Every scanlators/subtitles maker have no right to do that in the first place.
Have to admit that a lot of people addict on free hentai. They understand that it's free outside Japan in the name of "fan community". What a wreck logic.
It's true that hard to read/watch outside Japan but that's how the thing works. This have no different than normal manga or even normal movie that have to be license to localize in other country. Nothing is free and FAKKU is working to make it happen outside Japan LEGALLY. It's their right to send DMCA to who scanlate their contents. Every scanlators/subtitles maker have no right to do that in the first place.
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Apparently there was some more drama between papaHH and jacob, but he just tweeted that he worked it out with Jacob and seemed pretty ecstatic.
I'm not going to pry into the drama further since it seems papaHH resolved it himself, but let's hope for our sake that they worked it out. It would be best for everyone (except for the salty communist pirates) if HH did actually become the crunchyroll for hentai streaming, if HH did actually become the Fakku for hentai streaming. Hentai deserves more good exposure.
I'm not going to pry into the drama further since it seems papaHH resolved it himself, but let's hope for our sake that they worked it out. It would be best for everyone (except for the salty communist pirates) if HH did actually become the crunchyroll for hentai streaming, if HH did actually become the Fakku for hentai streaming. Hentai deserves more good exposure.
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sawr
The No One
roflcopt0rz wrote...
It would be best for everyone (except for the salty communist pirates) if HH did actually become the crunchyroll for hentai streaming, if HH did actually become the Fakku for hentai streaming. Hentai deserves more good exposure.Totally agreed! Why they thinks this should be free?
I admit that I read free hentai on other site too, but I occationally buy tankoubon of my favorite author right from Japan whenever I have enough money.
I'm appreciate FAKKU that make this legal and easier to buy some book in the language that I can read. And it'd be great if HH go legit too.
It's like gaming community back then, when everyone go on pirate games and get crack, but now it getting better and people actually buy games since it's easier to access.
Hentai have a long way to go, but hope some day it'll get to the point that community have a good practice on buying and refuse pirating.
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Gravity cat
the adequately amused
sawr wrote...
Totally agreed! Why they thinks this should be free?
I admit that I read free hentai on other site too, but I occationally buy tankoubon of my favorite author right from Japan whenever I have enough money.
I'm appreciate FAKKU that make this legal and easier to buy some book in the language that I can read. And it'd be great if HH go legit too.
The only reason any content is free right now is because it's been obtained and redistributed illegally for decades. This has a knock-on effect of Japanese companies being reluctant to open their market to us because of the rampant piracy. This perpetuates the endless cycle of never having a market, and piracy remaining the dominant method of us receiving content from the East. This breeds entitled twats who always expect their porn to be free who tantrum at the notion that it should be paid for, and chastise those who want and pay for a legitimate market.
It's not, and shouldn't be completely free. It should never have been allowed to get this bad.
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animefreak_usa
Child of Samael
Gravity cat wrote...
sawr wrote...
Totally agreed! Why they thinks this should be free?
I admit that I read free hentai on other site too, but I occationally buy tankoubon of my favorite author right from Japan whenever I have enough money.
I'm appreciate FAKKU that make this legal and easier to buy some book in the language that I can read. And it'd be great if HH go legit too.
The only reason any content is free right now is because it's been obtained and redistributed illegally for decades. This has a knock-on effect of Japanese companies being reluctant to open their market to us because of the rampant piracy. This perpetuates the endless cycle of never having a market, and piracy remaining the dominant method of us receiving content from the East. This breeds entitled twats who always expect their porn to be free who tantrum at the notion that it should be paid for, and chastise those who want and pay for a legitimate market.
It's not, and shouldn't be completely free. It should never have been allowed to get this bad.
The otakus are getting normalized to privacy. You can't imagine the amounts of japanese flags on p2p i seen. Down effect to 100$ vol anime.