A Call to fight Michael Bloomberg and 'No-Fly, No-Buy' DB
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doswillrule wrote...
You make a good, fair point on border control; but have I misunderstood, or are you saying that violent criminals can currently legally own guns? If true, that's just mad.The laws aren't uniform but, some do have laws on the books that increase punishment if a gun is involved regardless if it kills anyone. I support measures that increase the punishment level of people who use a gun for a crime. I believe gun ownership should be promote while gun crime should never even be tolerated and severely punished.
Tsurayu wrote...
Fiery_penguin_of_doom wrote...
Obvious exaggeration is obvious and fails to prove a point. We're talking about a firearm not a weapon of mass destruction that is banned by international agreements.
Yeah, that was the point. Your argument failed to prove your point too.
The point was; use a better analogy. Comparing a firearm to a biological weapon doesn't even come close to being a good analogy. You can aim a firearm, you can't aim anthrax. Also a gun has the ability to kill only 6-12/13 people on average while biological weapons can kill 6-12/1300 in the same amount of time.
Also, biological weapons can't be used for home defense, unlike a firearm.
I always make a point Tsurayu, it's just I may not be explicit with it.
LowercaseT wrote...
If guns are banned (and I mean BANNED, not you need these pieces of paper to buy one) criminals won't have places to get guns. Also not from their gangs, because they also wouldn't have places to buy guns....wut...
They get their guns through the black market. Weapons are either stolen from houses during break ins where the guns are not kept in safe places such as locked gun cabinets, safes or smuggled through the boarder. How else are the larger more organized gangs getting grenades, RPG's and assault weapons (especially in states where gun ownership is far more difficult than other places? I can't walk into a local gun shop and walk out with a box of grenades. Nor can a criminal with a federal record purchase a weapon and yet, these guys seem to avoid those "pesky" laws about them not being allowed to have a weapon.
This is the truth no matter how much you deny it. Criminals get their weapons through illegal means. You can ban everything sharper than a butter knife and they will still have access to all the "BANNED" weapons.
Gangs rarely if ever get their guns through legal channels like a gun shop and they should never be allowed to. Background checks and the like are supported measures of gun control even by some pro-gun enthusiasts. If somehow a criminal with a Federal record gets a weapon from a shop, they weren't doing their part and should be punished for putting the gun in their hands and should be held accountable.
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If guns are banned, there won't be guns in houses anywhere for gangs to steal, because, you know, they'd be BANNED. But of course, that only works in a country where guns were banned before the public could (il)legally acquire guns. Since that isn't the case in the US, even if guns were banned, there would still be an immeasurable amount of guns being sold and bought on the black market. These things considered, I have to agree with you: banning guns in the US would be a really bad idea.