Addiction
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I think addition also has a lot to do with the environment you are in, if you are in a social circle where your friends are addicts it will be even harder for you to get out. You will have to deal with abandoning the substance and also push away the peer pressure of continuing the addiction. Depending on the individual and how much belongingness they require, this could indeed prove a difficult step to take.
Even though I have not been addicted any substance before, I still think the correct way to quit is through small goals of reducing volume but not losing sight of the big goal of eliminating usage. There has to be motivation drives for each person, and I find that writing down the short and long term goals and putitng them somewhere visable will also help being in the right mindset everyday.
Even though I have not been addicted any substance before, I still think the correct way to quit is through small goals of reducing volume but not losing sight of the big goal of eliminating usage. There has to be motivation drives for each person, and I find that writing down the short and long term goals and putitng them somewhere visable will also help being in the right mindset everyday.
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Evnyofdeath wrote...
In native americans/eskimos alcohol addiction is genetic, because unlike europeans who during the middle ages had almost no clean water had to drink alcohol (seeing as the distillation process purifies it). Because of this dependence on alchohol, Europeans (or at least the English) caused a greater need for a stronger version of the gene that processes alcohol. Thus, they got it.Nope. This is one of the earlier hypotheses put forth. It was already disproved. There is a variation on addiction, but nobody knows the exact mechanics of it yet. What is known is that there are people that can use all kind of drugs and not be addicted, and yet some will get hooked on the first use.
Regardless, if a person is truly addicted to the drug physically, then withdrawal actually manifest physically. This is probably the result of the brain being unbalanced from the lack of chemicals that is usually there. Certain strong drugs can destroy special neurons in the brain that is responsible for releasing neural transmitters. When they die, your brain is basically fried like a short-circuited motherboard. In the end, the people with this condition will need to drug to even think. So breaking addiction to a psychoactive drug is much harder than breaking a habit.
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x-gen wrote...
Evnyofdeath wrote...
In native americans/eskimos alcohol addiction is genetic, because unlike europeans who during the middle ages had almost no clean water had to drink alcohol (seeing as the distillation process purifies it). Because of this dependence on alchohol, Europeans (or at least the English) caused a greater need for a stronger version of the gene that processes alcohol. Thus, they got it.Nope. This is one of the earlier hypotheses put forth. It was already disproved. There is a variation on addiction, but nobody knows the exact mechanics of it yet. What is known is that there are people that can use all kind of drugs and not be addicted, and yet some will get hooked on the first use.
Regardless, if a person is truly addicted to the drug physically, then withdrawal actually manifest physically. This is probably the result of the brain being unbalanced from the lack of chemicals that is usually there. Certain strong drugs can destroy special neurons in the brain that is responsible for releasing neural transmitters. When they die, your brain is basically fried like a short-circuited motherboard. In the end, the people with this condition will need to drug to even think. So breaking addiction to a psychoactive drug is much harder than breaking a habit.
Ah, well, I got that from Genome which did come out quite awhile ago. XP
But there is an addiction center of the brain that is affected by genetics
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True, addiciton is a little genetic, but it has mostly roots with the environment you grow up in. If one of your parents do a drug, you are more likely to do so too, plus if you grow up with a lot of peer pressure, and just follow the flow all the time, there is nothing stopping you from becoming an addict.
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Another thing that really pisses me off is when someone calls addiction a disease. 'it's not my fault, there's nothing i can do, i have a disease'. cancer is a disease. people who get it fight hard. my godfather(after whom i'm named) died of cancer. he got it from smoking. first it started in his mouth, and the doctors had to cut out his tongue. they kept taking pieces and he kept on staying alive. he didn't say, 'it's a disease, there's nothing i can do', and just surrender. he fought on.
if anyone ever says their petty vice/addiction is a disease in front of me, i don't know if i could stop myself from issueing a savage beating. possably followed by micturation upon their bloodied, broken form.
if anyone ever says their petty vice/addiction is a disease in front of me, i don't know if i could stop myself from issueing a savage beating. possably followed by micturation upon their bloodied, broken form.
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I'am pretty much an addict to Alcohol, but i have been doing Lent in which i did give up Alcohol for 40 days so it doesn't control my life.
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It Really depends on the person, And more importantly if the person truly wants to quit. Truth is most people dont want to quit deep down. For some people its harder than others. i Too had basically the same experance in quitting smoking... however in my youth i had some other substance abuse problems... which were not nearly as easy...
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From what I can surmise, this is all about bitching about people who can't give something up because of a psychological addiction. I can understand that. I smoke about a pack a day, and I don't want to stop, but that's my choice. As far as psychological addictions are concerned, I get it. I even understand that, to an extent, physical addictions can be ignored. However, there is a point where one may become so addicted to a substance that the withdrawal symptoms are so intense that they can be fatal.
Aside from that, it seems that this entire thread completely ignores how far addiction will force people to go. Idealistically, the strength of will can overcome anything, but what does it mean when someone with a strong will is going door to door collecting money for a fake charity to supplement his heroin addiction?
Aside from that, it seems that this entire thread completely ignores how far addiction will force people to go. Idealistically, the strength of will can overcome anything, but what does it mean when someone with a strong will is going door to door collecting money for a fake charity to supplement his heroin addiction?
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Everybody has different limits. Some things are simply impossible for some people. We cannot all be incredibly strong and overcome everything.
Also, there are often more factors than a person's will or strength. Imagine two alcoholics, both trying to quit: One has a family that cares about him and will do anything in their power to help him stop. They encourage him and give him a shoulder to cry on when he needs to; they help him. The other person is alone, maybe with a few friends, but none of them are close. He has to handle everything by himself.
Now, who's going to have an easier time getting clean? Who's more likely to fall off the wagon?
Also, there are often more factors than a person's will or strength. Imagine two alcoholics, both trying to quit: One has a family that cares about him and will do anything in their power to help him stop. They encourage him and give him a shoulder to cry on when he needs to; they help him. The other person is alone, maybe with a few friends, but none of them are close. He has to handle everything by himself.
Now, who's going to have an easier time getting clean? Who's more likely to fall off the wagon?
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I'm a heroin addict. I haven't done it in over 2 years, but it's not like I can just chill with shooting up or sniffing it and be straight for the rest of my life. Real addiction doesn't just exist within you, it becomes a part of you. No matter how far I distance myself from heroin, it's gonna linger with me for as long as I live.
Addiction is an aspect of personality. You can repress it, or do what ever you want, but that shit lives with you and the only thing you can do is find a way to live with it.
Addiction is an aspect of personality. You can repress it, or do what ever you want, but that shit lives with you and the only thing you can do is find a way to live with it.
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There is a genetic aspect of addiction. Some people's entire body chemistry changes due to addiction. Biochemical receptors are destroyed (or created) as the body responds to the presence (or absence) of neurotransmitters in the brain and bloodstream.
It isn't a simple matter of willpower for some....depending on the person.
The body is an amazing (and goofy) work of art. For example, there is a small percent of the European male population which is immune to HIV. Their TD4 cells do not have the receptors which HIV binds...and therefore cannot get AIDS.
A random statement about how our bodies are genetically diverse in ways we are only beginning to understand. A rather famous actor, Corey Haim, recently died in part due to his addiction to Vicodin. That same drug does almost nothing for me, and I had to be switched to something else after my back surgery. Why? Because I lack the receptors in my CNS to bind the chemical and block pain transmission. No addiction for me.
If I had to stop masturbating, I would commit seppuku.
It isn't a simple matter of willpower for some....depending on the person.
The body is an amazing (and goofy) work of art. For example, there is a small percent of the European male population which is immune to HIV. Their TD4 cells do not have the receptors which HIV binds...and therefore cannot get AIDS.
A random statement about how our bodies are genetically diverse in ways we are only beginning to understand. A rather famous actor, Corey Haim, recently died in part due to his addiction to Vicodin. That same drug does almost nothing for me, and I had to be switched to something else after my back surgery. Why? Because I lack the receptors in my CNS to bind the chemical and block pain transmission. No addiction for me.
If I had to stop masturbating, I would commit seppuku.
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Not all addictions are psychological ones that you simply can give up by saying no.
To illustrate, let's take salt.
Salt isn't a drug, but the body is hardwired to crave it. It isn't a matter of simply saying "no," you will fucking die if you don't get salt, and so the body, even if it has enough salt, is telling your brain that salt is yummy and tastes good.
Heroin causes a physical addiction. Once hooked to it, giving it up becomes difficult because your body is saying no. If by some miracle of genetics that your body is able to resist the addiction, good for you. But looking down on people who _can't_ is just being on a fucking high horse when you yourself couldn't resist the temptation of getting hooked in the first place.
Alcoholism is another example. Alchoholism has well-known and strong genetic disposition. In other words, some alcoholicshave a much, much harder time at avoiding it. Tough shit, but looking down on these people, as one poster put it, "issue them a savage beating" because they lost on the genetic lottery is just being a douchebag. That's like saying a person is inferior because his mom couldn't afford to buy him a PS3, but yours could.
To illustrate, let's take salt.
Salt isn't a drug, but the body is hardwired to crave it. It isn't a matter of simply saying "no," you will fucking die if you don't get salt, and so the body, even if it has enough salt, is telling your brain that salt is yummy and tastes good.
Heroin causes a physical addiction. Once hooked to it, giving it up becomes difficult because your body is saying no. If by some miracle of genetics that your body is able to resist the addiction, good for you. But looking down on people who _can't_ is just being on a fucking high horse when you yourself couldn't resist the temptation of getting hooked in the first place.
Alcoholism is another example. Alchoholism has well-known and strong genetic disposition. In other words, some alcoholicshave a much, much harder time at avoiding it. Tough shit, but looking down on these people, as one poster put it, "issue them a savage beating" because they lost on the genetic lottery is just being a douchebag. That's like saying a person is inferior because his mom couldn't afford to buy him a PS3, but yours could.
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fatman wrote...
Not all addictions are psychological ones that you simply can give up by saying no.To illustrate, let's take salt.
Salt isn't a drug, but the body is hardwired to crave it. It isn't a matter of simply saying "no," you will fucking die if you don't get salt, and so the body, even if it has enough salt, is telling your brain that salt is yummy and tastes good.
It isn't actually salt that your body craves, its the sodium in it. Living things are instinctually driven to acquire what they need to survive. Part of the problem with overeating among humans is that, although we can mass produce food, not all products contain everything we need. Therefore, many people who choose what to eat based upon taste preferences, are forced to eat more to gain the necessary nutrients for survival.
Heroin causes a physical addiction. Once hooked to it, giving it up becomes difficult because your body is saying no. If by some miracle of genetics that your body is able to resist the addiction, good for you. But looking down on people who _can't_ is just being on a fucking high horse when you yourself couldn't resist the temptation of getting hooked in the first place.
Alcoholism is another example. Alchoholism has well-known and strong genetic disposition. In other words, some alcoholicshave a much, much harder time at avoiding it. Tough shit, but looking down on these people, as one poster put it, "issue them a savage beating" because they lost on the genetic lottery is just being a douchebag. That's like saying a person is inferior because his mom couldn't afford to buy him a PS3, but yours could.
Alcoholism is another example. Alchoholism has well-known and strong genetic disposition. In other words, some alcoholicshave a much, much harder time at avoiding it. Tough shit, but looking down on these people, as one poster put it, "issue them a savage beating" because they lost on the genetic lottery is just being a douchebag. That's like saying a person is inferior because his mom couldn't afford to buy him a PS3, but yours could.
To an extent, I agree. Addiction isn't something you have control over. Don't get me wrong, you can take precautions, but you're still walking on thin ice. If you choose to step out there and fall through, that's how shit goes. Conviction only goes so far, but if you push it, eventually you'll fuck yourself over.