Biological Immortality

I don't understand. Are you referring to the surface temperature, which would be resolved after the atmospheric change in time due to the temperature being due largely to greenhouse effects? Or are you referring to the fact that the planet is closer to the the sun then Earth is, which shouldn't have all that significant of an impact?

One first hand example? Schools. They forced us to watch An Inconvenient Truth and The Day After Tomorrow (Both in succession) a total of 12 times in high school! (That is around twice a year or so, but usually in separate classes)

And then they show us videos in science class of Polar Bears swimming in water and telling us how it's our fault that they're dying, and say it's our fault when we see bloody images of them suffering.

Global warming is a separate issue, but my point is I'm tired of hypocritical bureaucrats who continuously tell us that we're parasites to this planet.

Documentaries on those science TV channels keep saying that to advance as a human race we need to be regulated with eugenics because of the mantra "overpopulation is an issue" once science improves. But besides a few UN studies which are bias themselves, I do not see why it is we humans are suddenly "trash".

If we sterilize the human race, even despite our scientific immortality, then we border on extinction.

I was speaking abouth the greenhouse effect . I didn't understand at first that you were speaking abouth changing the temperature . You realise it's not as simple as you explain it to change a whole planet's atmosphere . You don't just put some bacteria and comets and poof you get a stable atmosphere at the exact temperature that you want it to be .

But , whatever , terraforming is not impossible but we are really far from even thinking abouth such a project . Biological immortaly might come in a less than a centuary , terraforming in more than a millennium .

Well, the topic is about biological immortality, and that is what I assumed everyone is talking about. If it was actual immortality of not being able to die even if you got shot, etc, then that's really another thing.

And no, 80 years is not enough to "enjoy the world" because from our perspective that's the only world we have, people who go bored of living are people who are suffering when living, not enjoying. Actually, if you see researches about peoples regret on their deathbeds, even when old, most of them are "I wish I had enjoyed more and worked less" "I wish I had worked less" "I wish I had more time to enjoy", because 80 or 200 years will never be enough because nobody wants to lose their only life. And second, from these 80 years, only 40 are actually living, you spent the first 20 learning about the world and the last 20 dying slowly without actually "enjoying it", not to mention the sleeping times. Our work times have been reduced greatly over the years, but our possibilities of joy are almost infinite so there's always demand for it. Instead of spending your only 40 years becoming the great doctor you always wanted to be, you can use your 200 years time to become a great doctor and a great game developer, or anime director, or whatever, because you still have an infinite amount of time left. On today's life span, most people have to focus on only one activity because that's what our time resource permits.

Well , if he would have worked less , he would have had more time to enjoy . You don't regret not having enough time , you regret spending it wrong . You're talking here abouth regrets and people on their deathbeds , you know why they start regreting only on their deathbed ? Because they understand that they don't have much time left and that life , in the end is precious . Biological immortality wont solve this problem , it will only delay it . If he didn't understand how to live happily in 80 years i don't think that 200 will helps . Like i said before , why look for immortality when philosophy already gives a solution to this problem .



That's not true , i am ready to die , if someone pointed a gun to me today i would close my eyes and without regrets tell myself that it was a hell of a good time i had . I acheived this state of mind thanks to philosophy .



You know what , i have a theory that just came to my mind . I think that if those who want to live because they want to enjoy life longer would be able to live as long as they want they wouldn't die happy . They would live until they get every grasp of joy they can take from life and then they would still want more . In the end they would probably kill themself from depression .

Let's take an exemple , the rollercoasters come to your city once a year for only 3 days . You go there , maybe once , maybe twice , maybe even three time if you really like it . After the third day you say to yourself ; "oh i wish they would stay longer " but most people will add : " oh well , at least it was fun the time it lasted " .

Same situation , but they stay in your city forever . You go once , twice , 10 times , 50 times and you start to be bored with it . Some people will say "it's ok , i think i had enough now " but most people won't say that . The brain is done to research constantly pleasure in life , so once you get bored , your brain will say ; "i want to continue having fun " . And since it's the only rollercoaster in the world you would start looking for one until you kill yourself from depression .

It's like there was something happening in your brain when you face an unavoidable ending that make you stop searching for it but as long as nothing tells your brain that it has to stop , he will continue searching ...

In conclusion (wtf i wrote so much ?) i lived only 22 years but if i had to die today ,i would be as much happy as you would be after living 2200 years and that is if you end up living happy because i think that a programmed death is key to a happy life . Instead of working on the body , we should work more on the mind .

A valid point. But a mind in search of something will not always give up and destroy itself. More often then not, it will turn to it's creative facilities to create a solution. If people were to become Biologically Immortal we would witness a cultural and artistic revolution of a scale unseen since the earliest form of man used rocks to scratch stick figures on stone walls. You could have Artisans who spend decades learning their trades again. People would no longer be content just enjoying what others make, they would create on their own. Imagine the perspective that hundreds of years could bestow upon you.

There is only one way to know , you must succeed in your quest ! Go now young one , your journey will be long and hard but only you can fight against god himself ! (wtf is goign on with me again -_-)

Instead of biological immortality, I consider virtual immortality (aka immortality of the consciousness) as a better solution. I mean, I myself would love to have my ghost uploaded to the net or a hard-drive when I grow old and feeble, but I don't see that happening anytime soon. The brain is a very complex organ, an organ of which we barely understand. Any sort of digitization of human brain is decades, if not centuries, away. But, who knows what advances could be made in the next century. The internet has already expanded to what it is in two decades, completely starting new cultural revolutions and sparking new technologies everywhere.

I admit, that would be ideal. However, I don't want to upload a copy of myself and be left in this sack of chemicals to die while my copy lives forever.

You'd eventually go insane if you do achieve immortality though.
Note that every memory and bodily function is stored and takes a part of your brain. When you meet people, learn new things, and make associations, you form new neuron pathways in your brain to store the information. But your brain's ability to store information is limited and unlike computers, we cannot wipe it off whenever we want to. Old memories will pile-up and eventually clog your brain's ability to function.

I'd personally hate to be immortal in this particular world. Well, on the assumption I don't get any other add ons to it, it'd be torture after a couple hundred years.

One of two outcomes will occur;

If I'm the only one to be immortal: I will live on and all my relations and such will die, leaving me to be a lonely man forever walking the earth.

If everyone is immortal: The world will over-populate and then we'll all be very uncomfortable. >_>

and lets not forget that this world is way too flawed for me to want to live longer on it.

Incorrect, the brain has a terribly inaccurate memory which we have proven can be altered or erased. It is easiest to alter short term memory although it has been done with long term memory for post traumatic stress disorder (McGill University researchers in Montreal). As for the erasure of memories, the current issue is that current methods are imprecise and carry the risk of erasing too much.

In addition, we are not using a significant portion of our brain's storage capability. (Think of people with Eidetic memory.) And there is no reason as to why we can't begin storing memories on physical drives if we reach some upper limit of human memory.

Immortality huh...? sounds nice but what do i do after all that? i can study all i want and have jobs all i want but what's there? what would be my reason to live if i can do it all? what would be my goals? is there a point in prolonging my life more when i finished what i wanted centuries ago?

Provided that so many things have been addressed, I won't say much; but wouldn't an inescapable situation drive you absolutely insane? For instance, being buried alive, dragged to the depths of the sea, eaten alive by a large animal, being trapped between two rocks and having to cut a limb off just to wriggle free, etc.

I definitely would rather die at that instant than have to live through anything of that sort for the remainder of my nonexpiring life :< ...

Biological immortality only means that aging will not kill you . If you are burried alive/dragged to the depths of the sea , you will still suffocate and die . The acid from the large animal's stomac would also kill you . And cutting your limb would make you bleed to death .

No , what would make you go insane is to be caged in a dark room and someone was feeding you just so that you stay alive , but you don't need biological immortality for that , it would take only a year or a little more .

Ahhhh okay I see, I see :d ..