Canadian (and other countries') Obscenity Laws
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Recently, I got to talking with a friend about importing Doujin for Sale at a convention. However, he mentioned that he heard from some people that Canada Customs was confiscating Doujin under the grounds that it was Child Pornography. (Found info about that here:
http://mypage.uniserve.ca/~lswong/laws.html#163Synop
)
Anyways, my question is, how do you define Obscenity, because it is defined on Wikipedia as "An obscenity (in Latin obscenus, meaning "foul, repulsive, detestable") is that which offends the prevalent sexual morality of the time, is a profanity, or is otherwise taboo, indecent, abhorrent, or disgusting, or is especially inauspicious; ill-omened."
So, what the hell? Does this mean that Sexual Doujins are Obscene? What is judged as Obscene. Confused as hell here. Also discuss Obscenity laws and if they're fair or not.
For instance, in Canada, we can not have Child Porn (nor In most Countries), however, Child Pornography is defined as (Under Canadian Law):
(a) a photographic, film, video or other visual representation, whether or not it was made by electronic or mechanical means,
(i) that shows a person who is or is depicted as being under the age of eighteen years and is engaged in or is depicted as engaged in explicit sexual activity, or
(ii) the dominant characteristic of which is the depiction, for a sexual purpose, of a sexual organ or the anal region of a person under the age of eighteen years; or
(b) any written material or visual representation that advocates or counsels sexual activity with a person under the age of eighteen years that would be an offense under this Act.
(Anal Sex is forbidden under Canadian law until you are the age of 18, however the age of Consent, for Vaginal Intercourse, is 16)
More or less, I'm trying to decipher this: http://mypage.uniserve.ca/~lswong/laws.html
It's not being clear. It's telling me I'm not allowed to be in possession of something Obscene. Okay, give me an example. Is a doujin containing regular intercourse obscene? Is tentacle rape obscene? What will they define "obscene" at Canada Customs? Will they only confiscate it if it's Loli/They Think it's Child Porn, or what?
(Sorry for the rambling)
http://mypage.uniserve.ca/~lswong/laws.html#163Synop
)
Anyways, my question is, how do you define Obscenity, because it is defined on Wikipedia as "An obscenity (in Latin obscenus, meaning "foul, repulsive, detestable") is that which offends the prevalent sexual morality of the time, is a profanity, or is otherwise taboo, indecent, abhorrent, or disgusting, or is especially inauspicious; ill-omened."
So, what the hell? Does this mean that Sexual Doujins are Obscene? What is judged as Obscene. Confused as hell here. Also discuss Obscenity laws and if they're fair or not.
For instance, in Canada, we can not have Child Porn (nor In most Countries), however, Child Pornography is defined as (Under Canadian Law):
(a) a photographic, film, video or other visual representation, whether or not it was made by electronic or mechanical means,
(i) that shows a person who is or is depicted as being under the age of eighteen years and is engaged in or is depicted as engaged in explicit sexual activity, or
(ii) the dominant characteristic of which is the depiction, for a sexual purpose, of a sexual organ or the anal region of a person under the age of eighteen years; or
(b) any written material or visual representation that advocates or counsels sexual activity with a person under the age of eighteen years that would be an offense under this Act.
(Anal Sex is forbidden under Canadian law until you are the age of 18, however the age of Consent, for Vaginal Intercourse, is 16)
More or less, I'm trying to decipher this: http://mypage.uniserve.ca/~lswong/laws.html
It's not being clear. It's telling me I'm not allowed to be in possession of something Obscene. Okay, give me an example. Is a doujin containing regular intercourse obscene? Is tentacle rape obscene? What will they define "obscene" at Canada Customs? Will they only confiscate it if it's Loli/They Think it's Child Porn, or what?
(Sorry for the rambling)
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Takerial
Lovable Teddy Bear
Obscenity laws tend to often be based in the matter of public opinion.
So it varies entirely by the community and some will have stricter laws concerning it than others.
So what you might get away in, say, New York City, will not in little out of nowhere town with highly religious backgrounds.
Have fun with that.
So it varies entirely by the community and some will have stricter laws concerning it than others.
So what you might get away in, say, New York City, will not in little out of nowhere town with highly religious backgrounds.
Have fun with that.
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NEXUS
Since 2010
A friend and I were reading a part about bestiality laws and apparently it's illegal to engage in sexual intercourse with an animal with a child nearby, So if the child is not there you can basically have sex with livestock legally? I still don't know if that is right but my friend was reading the wikipedia article pretty closely hopefully someone didn't fuck with it.
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*sigh*
Canada is equating hentai doujins as obscenity and CP.
Whats more, their fixated on doujins haha! Calling them 'crime comics.'
That means no more serial issues of Heavy Metal in Canada! HAHA! SO STUPID!
A GENERALIZATION OF A LAW SPECIFICALLY BANNING DOUJINS AS CRIME COMICS WILL ALSO BAN CARTOON PORN THATS CLOSE ENOUGH TO MATCH DOUJINS BECAUSE THEIR ALL OBSCENE ANYWAY!
ROFL! HILARIOUS!
WHAT EVEN MORE SO, FROM THE WAY THEY WROTE THE LAW, IT WILL BE CROSSING INTERNATIONAL BOUNDARIES FROM THOSE THAT DO DIGITAL DISTRIBUTION FROM OUTSIDE THE COUNTRY! HAHA! SO CANADIAN LAW IS GOING TO ARREST A MANGA-KA WHO, IN A CASE SCENARIO, DISTRIBUTES DIRECTLY TO CANADA FROM HIS OWN HOME IN JAPAN!
HOHO! EVEN MORE! EVEN IF MADE AND MAILED PRIVATELY, THEY'LL GO SEARCH YOUR HOMES FOR ANY INDICATION OF SAID CP EVEN THOUGH ITS JAPANESE DOUJIN! HAHA!
Its funny how you can accuse kids at the ripe age of 12, 10 even, of adult crimes.
And then theres something like this. Yeesh.
Oh, this REALLY got me:
*(d) advertises or publishes an advertisement of any means, instructions, medicine, drug or article intended or represented as a method for restoring sexual virility or curing venereal diseases or diseases of the generative organs.*
Oh hey! I have a cure for Cervical Cancer! And I'm gunna put a female cartoon representation (doujin style~!) that makes them feel young and sexually energized in a positive way!
*Goes through Canadian Law*
YOUR PRODUCT IS BANNED!
What?! But it cures CERVICAL CANCER! ITS BEEN PROVEN IN 10 OF THE MAJOR CITIES IN COUNTRIES ALL OVER THE WORLD!
YOUR GRAPHICAL IMAGE IS THAT OF OF A GIRL IN HER YOUNG TEENS.
B...b..but the character in question represents a women in her early 20's! We even labeled it!
OUR LAW STATES THAT YOUR IMAGE IS OBSCENE.
What?! But its just a representation of what women can have now! Its supposed to make women feel young again and have sexual pleasure without the worrying pain of cervical cancer!
PRODUCT IS BANNED. AND YOUR UNDER ARREST!
Oh gawd, someone shoot me now. . .
I may have gone overboard with this haha. . .
Canada is equating hentai doujins as obscenity and CP.
Whats more, their fixated on doujins haha! Calling them 'crime comics.'
That means no more serial issues of Heavy Metal in Canada! HAHA! SO STUPID!
A GENERALIZATION OF A LAW SPECIFICALLY BANNING DOUJINS AS CRIME COMICS WILL ALSO BAN CARTOON PORN THATS CLOSE ENOUGH TO MATCH DOUJINS BECAUSE THEIR ALL OBSCENE ANYWAY!
ROFL! HILARIOUS!
WHAT EVEN MORE SO, FROM THE WAY THEY WROTE THE LAW, IT WILL BE CROSSING INTERNATIONAL BOUNDARIES FROM THOSE THAT DO DIGITAL DISTRIBUTION FROM OUTSIDE THE COUNTRY! HAHA! SO CANADIAN LAW IS GOING TO ARREST A MANGA-KA WHO, IN A CASE SCENARIO, DISTRIBUTES DIRECTLY TO CANADA FROM HIS OWN HOME IN JAPAN!
HOHO! EVEN MORE! EVEN IF MADE AND MAILED PRIVATELY, THEY'LL GO SEARCH YOUR HOMES FOR ANY INDICATION OF SAID CP EVEN THOUGH ITS JAPANESE DOUJIN! HAHA!
Its funny how you can accuse kids at the ripe age of 12, 10 even, of adult crimes.
And then theres something like this. Yeesh.
Oh, this REALLY got me:
*(d) advertises or publishes an advertisement of any means, instructions, medicine, drug or article intended or represented as a method for restoring sexual virility or curing venereal diseases or diseases of the generative organs.*
Oh hey! I have a cure for Cervical Cancer! And I'm gunna put a female cartoon representation (doujin style~!) that makes them feel young and sexually energized in a positive way!
*Goes through Canadian Law*
YOUR PRODUCT IS BANNED!
What?! But it cures CERVICAL CANCER! ITS BEEN PROVEN IN 10 OF THE MAJOR CITIES IN COUNTRIES ALL OVER THE WORLD!
YOUR GRAPHICAL IMAGE IS THAT OF OF A GIRL IN HER YOUNG TEENS.
B...b..but the character in question represents a women in her early 20's! We even labeled it!
OUR LAW STATES THAT YOUR IMAGE IS OBSCENE.
What?! But its just a representation of what women can have now! Its supposed to make women feel young again and have sexual pleasure without the worrying pain of cervical cancer!
PRODUCT IS BANNED. AND YOUR UNDER ARREST!
Oh gawd, someone shoot me now. . .
I may have gone overboard with this haha. . .
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@Emiya; Only slightly overboard. Anyways, thanks for the feedback.
My general question is, if I order these doujins, will they confiscate it if they think the characters involved are under 18?
My general question is, if I order these doujins, will they confiscate it if they think the characters involved are under 18?
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Takerial
Lovable Teddy Bear
link1438 wrote...
@Emiya; Only slightly overboard. Anyways, thanks for the feedback.My general question is, if I order these doujins, will they confiscate it if they think the characters involved are under 18?
Yes. And then probably come to your home with a warrant for other such material and then arrest you.
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When I went to Anime Evolution over in Vancouver. I was talking to the guy who was running the Doujin booth. He was telling me how he and his other friend brought only 15% or so of his merch because the rest was taken away from customs because they had to look over it to make sure their was no "Child pornography". And all of of whatever customs has will be done and checked over in at least 8 months. They also they could be facing up to 5 law suites after its all through.
I thought that was ridiculous seeing as almost any flat chested character can be defined as child porn, so it was a big risk for them to come down from San Diago but it was worth it.
Still felt bad for them.
I thought that was ridiculous seeing as almost any flat chested character can be defined as child porn, so it was a big risk for them to come down from San Diago but it was worth it.
Still felt bad for them.
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Kalistean wrote...
link1438 wrote...
@Emiya; Only slightly overboard. Anyways, thanks for the feedback.My general question is, if I order these doujins, will they confiscate it if they think the characters involved are under 18?
Yes. And then probably come to your home with a warrant for other such material and then arrest you.
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU-
Dammit. I'm not into Loli or anything, but I'll have to double check the doujins I want to get to see what they contain before ordering them.
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animefreak_usa
Child of Samael
Across the border into the land of freedom, if you can't make it to mexico, come to washington.