Does entertainment media control society?
Which is more accurate?
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[color=#2e1a6b]I have very little association with American TV shows and movies, So I don't necessarily know the answer to my own question (hence I'm asking it). My question basically asks where ideas originate. When I say ideas, I basically mean our thoughts on what is normal behavior. It might help I ask the question differently:
(X represents any behavior, such as getting pregnant at 16)
is X normal to society, and this causes entertainment media to represent X as normal?
or does entertainment media represent X as normal, and this causes society to think X is normal, making Society more likely to do X?
(X represents any behavior, such as getting pregnant at 16)
is X normal to society, and this causes entertainment media to represent X as normal?
or does entertainment media represent X as normal, and this causes society to think X is normal, making Society more likely to do X?
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Why are television shows ongoing in certain areas? Because the people keep watching it, if no one watched television shows, then they get cancelled due to not meeting the required views. The networks just pitch ideas and hope the show gets millions of viewers, it's not their fault the stupid television shows have been winning.
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Well, basically, you can sum up two different point of views.
One the one side, society controls media distribution, because, as said before, if a show isn't watched, it doesn't continue.
On the other hand we need to think about how "people" work today. Everyone wants a chance to win millions, and live an effortless life, etcetera, etcetera.
Well, the Media pick that up, because they know these shows will work. And because these shows work, they can make them in any way they like, because they are still going to get an audience.
So basically, we give the medias the starting idea, and they extrapolate in the ways they want from there, leaving us satisfied by what we are watching, because we asked for it, and at the same time absorbing whatever the TV throws at our turned off minds.
So this is still bad, but we can feel a bit happy because we actually iniated it. or maybe not.
By the way, this is were SOPA, PIPA and ACTA(Europen equivalent) want us to go back to.
I would continue but this is off topic, will search the threads for it.
Gubi out.
One the one side, society controls media distribution, because, as said before, if a show isn't watched, it doesn't continue.
On the other hand we need to think about how "people" work today. Everyone wants a chance to win millions, and live an effortless life, etcetera, etcetera.
Well, the Media pick that up, because they know these shows will work. And because these shows work, they can make them in any way they like, because they are still going to get an audience.
So basically, we give the medias the starting idea, and they extrapolate in the ways they want from there, leaving us satisfied by what we are watching, because we asked for it, and at the same time absorbing whatever the TV throws at our turned off minds.
So this is still bad, but we can feel a bit happy because we actually iniated it. or maybe not.
By the way, this is were SOPA, PIPA and ACTA(Europen equivalent) want us to go back to.
I would continue but this is off topic, will search the threads for it.
Gubi out.
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It does OP. If everybody just acted independently and didn't copy ideals they've adopted from the media, life would be more wacky.
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Art reflects reality which reflects art.
They definitely influence one another, but CONTROL? Nah. Wag the Dog (great movie for people who like this sort of stuff) was an exaggeration.
The picture for this thread is "16 and preganant"... but keep in mind that before mass media, 14 and preganant isn't exactly uncommon. if anything, 16 is pretty average if you take into account human history.
They definitely influence one another, but CONTROL? Nah. Wag the Dog (great movie for people who like this sort of stuff) was an exaggeration.
The picture for this thread is "16 and preganant"... but keep in mind that before mass media, 14 and preganant isn't exactly uncommon. if anything, 16 is pretty average if you take into account human history.
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The Randomness wrote...
Why are television shows ongoing in certain areas? Because the people keep watching it, if no one watched television shows, then they get cancelled due to not meeting the required views. The networks just pitch ideas and hope the show gets millions of viewers, it's not their fault the stupid television shows have been winning. but on the tv are so many useless channels in why they not canceled?
i dont even watch tv the only channel i liked wass Funimation but
they remove it from Verizon because didnt get many peoples to views the channel
but with all those channel that no1 watch?
they still there.
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servant saber wrote...
The Randomness wrote...
Why are television shows ongoing in certain areas? Because the people keep watching it, if no one watched television shows, then they get cancelled due to not meeting the required views. The networks just pitch ideas and hope the show gets millions of viewers, it's not their fault the stupid television shows have been winning. but on the tv are so many useless channels in why they not canceled?
i dont even watch tv the only channel i liked wass Funimation but
they remove it from Verizon because didnt get many peoples to views the channel
but with all those channel that no1 watch?
they still there.
That depends, what shows were on?
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servant saber wrote...
but on the tv are so many useless channels in why they not canceled?
i dont even watch tv the only channel i liked wass Funimation but
they remove it from Verizon because didnt get many peoples to views the channel
but with all those channel that no1 watch?
they still there.
Just because YOU don't watch a channel doesn't mean no one else does.
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Society controls the social norms, which are then reflected in the art of social media.
I thought this was pretty simple for people to recognize, especially with the example given of "16 and Pregnant".
Or...did people think teenagers weren't getting pregnant before that show came on the air?
Though I'd like to comment that social media can influence society to some extent, though mainly just teenagers that are searching for identity and trying to learn where their place is in the world. For instance, a 30 year old woman is not as likely to be convinced by The Notebook that this is how relationships are supposed to be, whereas a 16 year old girl might.
I thought this was pretty simple for people to recognize, especially with the example given of "16 and Pregnant".
Or...did people think teenagers weren't getting pregnant before that show came on the air?
Though I'd like to comment that social media can influence society to some extent, though mainly just teenagers that are searching for identity and trying to learn where their place is in the world. For instance, a 30 year old woman is not as likely to be convinced by The Notebook that this is how relationships are supposed to be, whereas a 16 year old girl might.
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BigLundi wrote...
Society controls the social norms, which are then reflected in the art of social media.[color=#2e1a6b]But teenagers (people who have little experience in society) don't know what the social norms are. There are 2 sources by which a teen can base his idea of what is normal:
1. by watching media that teaches you what the social norms are
2. by observing the way his enclosure of friends behave (in which his friends get their social norms from media)
I thought this was pretty simple for people to recognize, especially with the example given of "16 and Pregnant".
Or...did people think teenagers weren't getting pregnant before that show came on the air?
Or...did people think teenagers weren't getting pregnant before that show came on the air?
[color=#2e1a6b]Teenagers thought that it was rare (abnormal) for teenagers to get pregnant. This show caused them to think that it was normal for teens to get pregnant.
Though I'd like to comment that social media can influence society to some extent, though mainly just teenagers that are searching for identity and trying to learn where their place is in the world. For instance, a 30 year old woman is not as likely to be convinced by The Notebook that this is how relationships are supposed to be, whereas a 16 year old girl might.
I agree[color=#2e1a6b] with you; Reality shows and such have a greater influence on people who have little experience in society. Because they have less experience, they don't know what's normal and what's not. Whereas a 30-year old woman knows from her own experience what's normal and what's not.
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Lelouch24 wrote...
BigLundi wrote...
Society controls the social norms, which are then reflected in the art of social media.[color=#2e1a6b]But teenagers (people who have little experience in society) don't know what the social norms are. There are 2 sources by which a teen can base his idea of what is normal:
1. by watching media that teaches you what the social norms are
2. by observing the way his enclosure of friends behave (in which his friends get their social norms from media)
Or.
3. By hanging out with their friends and family in society, where social norms are expressed in a variety of different ways. Walking on the right side of a hallway, using certain staircases to go up and certain staircases to go down. How close you can be to someone before it's creepy, how long you can look at someone, whether or not to point, when to swear, when to not swear, etc. Etc.
These things are expressed REGULARLY, and not in media. Social norms are always learned in society, the media only reflects what society recognizes already. It never 'sets the trends'. The trends are already there.
[color=#2e1a6b]Teenagers thought that it was rare (abnormal) for teenagers to get pregnant. This show caused them to think that it was normal for teens to get pregnant.
...Teenagers thought?
Do you have any statistics for this mind reading?
And from what I remember, though I haven't done the proper legwork, it actually...wasn't all that uncommon(depending on location and economic areas) for not only teenagers to be pregnant, but at least overall sexually active.
The cause for teenagers being pregnant isn't that it's become a societal norm, it's still frowned upon and discouraged. It's the failure of abstinence only education. Again, I haven't done the leg work but from what I know, where abstinence is preached and in low income areas, teenage pregnancy is highly correlated.
This doesn't equate causation, sure, but it demonstrates a failure of its effectiveness, and creates a strange problem where when safe sex is taught, there's a decrease in teenage pregnancy.
I agree[color=#2e1a6b] with you; Reality shows and such have a greater influence on people who have little experience in society. Because they have less experience, they don't know what's normal and what's not. Whereas a 30-year old woman knows from her own experience what's normal and what's not.
This doesn't undermine the fact that there are plenty of societal norms that teenagers pick up without any influence from social media whatsoever, as stated above.
I think you should have added a third option to your poll(It's a mix between the two).
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Entirely, people think about what they have seen before, even if only their subconscious saw it, they will use that idea later as there own.
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It goes both ways:
much of the media is so afraid of offending viewers that might threaten their sponsers, they play it safe.
on the other hand, much of the public is so stupid they can't help but imitate what they see.
much of the media is so afraid of offending viewers that might threaten their sponsers, they play it safe.
on the other hand, much of the public is so stupid they can't help but imitate what they see.
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BigLundi wrote...
Lelouch24 wrote...
BigLundi wrote...
Society controls the social norms, which are then reflected in the art of social media.[color=#2e1a6b]But teenagers (people who have little experience in society) don't know what the social norms are. There are 2 sources by which a teen can base his idea of what is normal:
1. by watching media that teaches you what the social norms are
2. by observing the way his enclosure of friends behave (in which his friends get their social norms from media)
Or.
3. By hanging out with their friends and family in society, where social norms are expressed in a variety of different ways. Walking on the right side of a hallway, using certain staircases to go up and certain staircases to go down. How close you can be to someone before it's creepy, how long you can look at someone, whether or not to point, when to swear, when to not swear, etc. Etc.
These things are expressed REGULARLY, and not in media. Social norms are always learned in society, the media only reflects what society recognizes already. It never 'sets the trends'. The trends are already there.
[color=#2e1a6b]I think trends can be set by the media, it just takes time. I'll attempt to explain this through an example:
Spoiler:
[color=#2e1a6b]sorry if the example seemed stupid, but I meant to show how an idea from media will slowly be accepted simply because we draw part of our opinion of social norms from it.
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Both 'control' each other. I think it is impossible to argue that one dominates the other without getting holes ripped through the argument.
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In America at least, it seems so. Thankfully i grew up to realize the difference between entertainment and real life, but sometimes i feel like i'm in the minority on this.
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Brittany
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I think the poll isn't entirely accurate. Media pushes for propaganda and to weigh the scale to the way corporations, politicians, and parties want viewers to see it. That doesn't create a world where people cannot think for themselves, but it does lead to a world of misguided people who rely on the source of what they think is credible news to in fact be skewed and distorted in the way they want the viewers to see it.
However it's the viewers responsibility then to get up from the couch and find out facts for themselves.
However it's the viewers responsibility then to get up from the couch and find out facts for themselves.
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It's actually a cycle from the way i see it.... In the present times anyway.... If you watched shows from many other countries, you'll find some differences in the topics, ie japan usually shows school life, korea rarely shows school life... Asian horrors usally focuses on the cultural and spiritual aspects. In music, i think mexico are more inclined to metal, korea have their pop dance thing, in UK i think they are more on electronica and such... Not sure.. Anyways They air these cause it whats more likely the type of genre that would sell. This shows the society controling the entertainment media..
Since these things are popular, normally people want to be with the times thus imitating some of the things they see on the tv, most of the time.. If people saw their favorite person do something that looked cool...It will be imitated... Thus showing the media controlling the society..
Since these things are popular, normally people want to be with the times thus imitating some of the things they see on the tv, most of the time.. If people saw their favorite person do something that looked cool...It will be imitated... Thus showing the media controlling the society..
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The control goes both ways.
In the case of "Sixteen and Pregant," before the show, girls were 16 and pregnant. They just were. There was already a culture that glorified having children and would be willing to watch a show about people having them before it was legal. After the show, the culture grew, became lucrative for many people, and because it became so easy to exploit these girls for money, people will continue to do so. The media over pregnant teens gives them attention, so people who don't get enough attention in their lives will sometimes get pregnant, make money off of it, and get attention, without realizing that they're being manipulated by a TV show. But this exchange of influence applies only to entertainment media that exploits people directly.
On to the "Jersey Shore." It takes people from a group that already possessed a hyperinflated collective ego, and it focuses on the parts of their lives that people who don't want to live like that don't want to see. Some people want to live unrestrained; they actually want to party every other night, bringing home someone different every time; these people want that, but because of the more secure world they've already constructed for themselves, they can't do it. Some people are even drawn away from their budding security and dragged into the base abyss of this type of culture because shows like "Jersey Shore" tell them they aren't alone in their desire to live that way. The culture already existed, but the show reaches out to people who either desire that life or just needed that extra push to pursue it. The media has an influence on the culture, but the media for that culture would not have been there in the first place if not for the culture that was already extant.
In the case of "Sixteen and Pregant," before the show, girls were 16 and pregnant. They just were. There was already a culture that glorified having children and would be willing to watch a show about people having them before it was legal. After the show, the culture grew, became lucrative for many people, and because it became so easy to exploit these girls for money, people will continue to do so. The media over pregnant teens gives them attention, so people who don't get enough attention in their lives will sometimes get pregnant, make money off of it, and get attention, without realizing that they're being manipulated by a TV show. But this exchange of influence applies only to entertainment media that exploits people directly.
On to the "Jersey Shore." It takes people from a group that already possessed a hyperinflated collective ego, and it focuses on the parts of their lives that people who don't want to live like that don't want to see. Some people want to live unrestrained; they actually want to party every other night, bringing home someone different every time; these people want that, but because of the more secure world they've already constructed for themselves, they can't do it. Some people are even drawn away from their budding security and dragged into the base abyss of this type of culture because shows like "Jersey Shore" tell them they aren't alone in their desire to live that way. The culture already existed, but the show reaches out to people who either desire that life or just needed that extra push to pursue it. The media has an influence on the culture, but the media for that culture would not have been there in the first place if not for the culture that was already extant.
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Ziggy wrote...
I think the poll isn't entirely accurate. Media pushes for propaganda and to weigh the scale to the way corporations, politicians, and parties want viewers to see it..Ziggy, when you say media are you referring to both news(Cnn,MSNBC,FOX news, etc.) and non news shows/movies, cause i think media put out for entertainment purposes doesn't have an agenda other than to make money.
Personally i thought the OP was referring to entertainment tv/shows not news media