Does existence need a beginning?
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YoungSimba wrote...
Koyori wrote...
YoungSimba wrote...
Grenouille88 wrote...
YoungSimba wrote...
This is Serious Discussion. Do not post like this where you add nothing to the conversation and only take up space. It's in the forum rules. Reported.
"Does existence need a beginning?" of course it does. Everything has a start and end.
No.
Things were always there.
Give me just one credible proof and ill retract my posts in this thread.
Give me a proof that everyone needs beginning?
It's more logical that things just exists, and always have existed then things coming to existence from absolutely nothing and for no reason.
But yeah, as mentioned, no one knows the right answer. I was just replying to you since you pissed me off.
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Koyori wrote...
YoungSimba wrote...
Koyori wrote...
YoungSimba wrote...
Grenouille88 wrote...
YoungSimba wrote...
This is Serious Discussion. Do not post like this where you add nothing to the conversation and only take up space. It's in the forum rules. Reported.
"Does existence need a beginning?" of course it does. Everything has a start and end.
No.
Things were always there.
Give me just one credible proof and ill retract my posts in this thread.
Give me a proof that everyone needs beginning?
It's more logical that things just exists, and always have existed then things coming to existence from absolutely nothing and for no reason.
But yeah, as mentioned, no one knows the right answer. I was just replying to you since you pissed me off.
Had no intention to piss you off. my apologizes
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Getting back on topic, I once read a theory that the universe is continuously expanding, right now, even as we speak or post on the forums. Since I am not exactly a scentifically-inclined bear, I have no idea how this theory works. Although it could be true, but I doubt scientists on earth have the technology to determine if this is indeed the case. Which is why it remains a theory.
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Getting back on topic, I once read a theory that the universe is continuously expanding, right now, even as we speak or post on the forums. Since I am not exactly a scentifically-inclined bear, I have no idea how this theory works. Although it could be true, but I doubt scientists on earth have the technology to determine if this is indeed the case. Which is why it remains a theory.
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Does it really matter where we came from, if in the end we will all just die? I think its kind of pointless, Because by the time your entire life span is over, there no chance of even getting close to grasping the truth on how it started. Just live your life.
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Grenouille88 wrote...
I think that everything has a beginning. In my mind everything has a distinct moment when it started to exist. That moment may not be apparent, but to me it's always there.may be it's because all that we see are always has a beginning?
zeroniv_legend wrote...
While I do believe that everything has a beginning, there's always something that intrigues me; what is the beginning of the primordial beginning?Koyori wrote...
The only logic explanation is that things (in some form) have always been there. Else you get stuck in the "but what created the thing that created the thing that created...."-loop. Indeed, if everything is always loop then there must have been something created God Himself. And that just making another story for another thing that we just don't understand (or may be something should created the universe other than what we called God, if you don't believe in religion).
For me, since I believe in religion, then I stick to it since I couldn't explain about some existence with no beginning, like the universe, how big it is, and what is God.
May be we're just stuck to our brain and let everything that missed unnoticed.
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Beginnings are a concept within in exsistence. Only the concept of non exsistence exists. Because it would require an observer and a definition to exists. And even then once it becomes relevant in existence the concept once more is left over in accordance with the observer. To answer the question, it needs nothing because it isss everything. It's perfect unto itself. Even nothing is something lol.
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Sorry, but this "begin" and "end" refers to time. Time is a concept created by humans, and since we see time as constant, we created the concept of "beginning" and "end". However, as theory of relativit states, time is not constant. It twists, but always goes forwards. Or does it? We live through time, so technically time could be the fourth dimension. However existence in itself is an illusion, since we only interact with so many illusions. The truth is, science is only based on our observations and can never be used to truly explain how everything works.
If time is not constant, what is beginning? How would you define "beginning" assuming time is a stationary object. This then asks, where does "time" start? Some stuff just make 0 sense and end up into a forever ending paradox. So humans use God as a method to explain this. So no, existence does not need a beginning, since those are both illusions.
If time is not constant, what is beginning? How would you define "beginning" assuming time is a stationary object. This then asks, where does "time" start? Some stuff just make 0 sense and end up into a forever ending paradox. So humans use God as a method to explain this. So no, existence does not need a beginning, since those are both illusions.
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FinalBoss
#levelupyourgrind
Golden_Darkness wrote...
Sorry, but this "begin" and "end" refers to time. Time is a concept created by humans, and since we see time as constant, we created the concept of "beginning" and "end". However, as theory of relativit states, time is not constant. It twists, but always goes forwards. Or does it? We live through time, so technically time could be the fourth dimension. However existence in itself is an illusion, since we only interact with so many illusions. The truth is, science is only based on our observations and can never be used to truly explain how everything works. If time is not constant, what is beginning? How would you define "beginning" assuming time is a stationary object. This then asks, where does "time" start? Some stuff just make 0 sense and end up into a forever ending paradox. So humans use God as a method to explain this. So no, existence does not need a beginning, since those are both illusions.
If existence is an illusion, then does the concept of "real" exist in your opinion?
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FinalBoss
#levelupyourgrind
Superstring wrote...
Here's a video where prof. Lawrence Krauss explains how a universe can come out of nothing.It was an interesting lecture, but I don't believe the particles in the empty space come from nothing. I think they just travel from one dimension to the next, but they were always in existence (just not always this one). How they manage to travel from one dimension to the next is a mystery to me.