Ethil wrote...
Takerial wrote...
Ethil wrote...
Mr.Shaggnificent wrote...
Propaganda, like the movie you posted, do more harm than good. the idea is to push through their agenda by any means possible. they are designed to evoke such a strong emotional response that people refuse to listen to any other point of view, regardless of logic or common sense.
you, ethil, by example of your responses to any who disagree, easily fall in to that category.
First of all, you haven't seen the movie, so you are not allowed to judge whether it is biased or not. Watching it would be the first step towards your opinion being interesting.
Second, even if the movie weren't biased but showed nothing but the truth, you would still take the complete opposite position and call it propaganda because that is the easier approach to take; as they say, ignorance is bliss.
Third, my responses to you do not stem from you guys eating meat and not caring about the animals, they come from you making ignorant statements about things that you most likely do not have a single ounce of factual knowledge about (something you need to back up a statement), and that you are just as biased as the ones that made the movie (something that makes your statements irrelevant).
It is not that I do not listen to your point of you, it is the fact that there is no logic, facts or common sense in them that makes me label them as irrelevant.
So, to summarize, watch the movie and then we can discuss Opinions about How animals in captivity should be treated, the very subject this thread is about (something you apparently missed when you thought it'd be cooler to just throw everything but your own insignificant knowledge out the window and call it all conspiracies and propaganda).
If you can not do this simple thing and thus refuse to be an actual part of the subject of the conversation, please gtfo. Thank you.
I watched the movie.
It is biased Propaganda made by people who are Vegans supported primarily by PETA and organizations that PETA supports.
It makes retarded statements like slaughtering animals is the same as the holocaust.
It sucks and is designed purely to get you feeling upset about something you shouldn't be getting upset about.
Ok, good, you watched the movie.
Now to the point; do you think that it is ok to treat animal the way they are treated in the movie? Do you think it doesn't matter? Do you think your meat is tastier cuz it might have been tortured before? Or do you think that the industry (the ones that actually do treat animals bad) should be forced to treat the animals better and that this is worth focusing on? Would you mind paying slightly more to eat stuff you knew were from better animals?
Depends on the animal and it depends on what is happening to the animals.
More of the livestock animals, like cows and pigs tend to treated on a nicer and less cruel basis. The main problem with them, is not actually the treatment and slaughterhouse method of killing them, but rather the type of feed they give to them.
Things like corn is not good for animals (Or food consumption in general.) but a lot of people try to cut corners as it is cheaper to use as feed.
Most animals are not tortured before being slaughtered. Most of what is considered "problems" is aesthetic problems at best. As in "This doesn't look pretty" rather than "These animals are being tortured!"
As for animals like baby calves that are used for veal. They are put into a box or tied down not to be tortured, but so their meat will remain tender. They are treated relatively well and because they didn't know anything other than being in the box, it's not like they actually care about being in it.
The other side of the issue, is that the more cramp conditions are being forced to try and meet with the food consumption of the population. It would be nice for them to treat them like pets before killing them, but that isn't realistic in the industry due to demands. So they are forced to treat them as humanely as possible while giving some ground.
The animals are rarely tortured by any means.
On the other hand, animals like chickens are stupid, mean, gluttonous creatures and I don't give a fuck what happens to them as long as it doesn't make me sick and it tastes like chicken.
All in all, while the problem that the movie tries to proclaim is not really a problem. Industry standards don't really allow for animals to be tortured and such so it's not like you're finding a roving problem of factory people whipping the shit out of an animal for shits and giggles.