Evolution (Human)

First off, this is NOT about the religious / scientific theories of creation.
This is about human evolution from our current stage.
For benefit of this topic, suspend religious beliefs in favor of scietific evolution theories.

Kk, now that thats out of the way, I want to talk about what you peopel think of human evolution.

As bad as this may sound, I think people as a civilization are stagnating. Care for handicapped (physical and mental) and peopel susceptible (sp) to disease further block evolutionary progress.

Evolution was about the strongest surviving and reproducing more, therefore traits that made that animal or plant were passed along more and more until it was a dominant trait and the species would be forever changed.

By taking care of all the weakest and craziest people, we have stopped the ability to further ourselves. Everyone is NOT equal. It is a simple fact. Some people ARE simply better humans. There are peopel that are naturalyl stronger, more dextrous, agile, smart, and disease-immune than others. "Weak constitutions" would mean that an animal in the wild would not make it to its first birthday.

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Further more, people today are more attracted to less survival-based traits. While social prowess is a skill taht is debated, it has some influence on the overall picture of human kind. Women and men are generally more drawn to popular people. Now this can be a good thing, such as physical prowess being a lure, but more and more people go for the opposite. I recommend seeing Idiocracy (just for the theory established in the beginning, although the rest is serious comedy and not truthful in any way, it makes a good point). The more intelligent people are generally the ones shunned by society and therefore are able to reproduce less.

Since pure strength is no longer a much needed trait in today's world, it SHOULD be somethign that subsides in the progress of evolution. Intelligent people simply do more for humanity than muscular people.

(Note that following statements are not meant to offend)
An example is black culture. Being "gangster" is suppsoed to be hip and cool, and with this goes a degradation of culture. English is degraded into ebonics, as well as social graces. However, this behavior is seen as more desirable than say, a 4.5 GPA person with glasses. (IE generic high school story where smartest person gets less ass than the IQ < 100 jock).

The dumbest people seem to attract the other sex more and more which results in bad traits being passed down rather than good ones.

Now I am not the strongest or the smartest, but I am far higher than normal average in both. (IE I got league champion in track for assorted field events all high school, and we were in the first league, but i also kept a GPA > 3.5 all the time). Im simpyl lucky to have turned out the way I am.

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K, so sorry for the lengthy post but say any ideas you guys got.

So what do you propose? That we use artificial selection and force smart people and strong people to breed? Yeah, that's totally not fascist. >_>

I really don't agree with much of what you said. It's true that human society has greatly reduced the "survival of the fittest" factor in human evolution, but that doesn't mean people are going to devolve or something.

And where does the nurture side of the equation fit into your hypothesis? Not everything is entirely governed by genetics.

nurture = nature right?

ot really a proposal of anything, just something Ive noted / seen as a trend in humanity

I had decided when I was 13 that humanity was walking itself down the path to destruction, and renounced my position as a human and now call myself sophoterran. ([soe-foe-tare-ins] Sopho meaning wise, and terran meaning "of the earth.") Basically, I am one of few who still look for the virtues in people and follow the wiser choices in life. Those of you who share this common belief with me, that beauty is only skin deep, and that when it comes down it, the smart will survive, join me! Denounce the failing race of humans and join me and the rest of the sophoterrans in our quest to succeed the superficially-guided humans.

I agree with most of this but not all.. How do you think the gangster culture developed? After segregation blacks were still poor and only had enough to live in housings which created poverty then the gangster culture came about early 1800s (or even earlier). Basically blacks were forced to accustom to the culture because they couldn't escape it and being a gangster=uninteligent person? If so then they're not the ones to be blamed(many people have the street smart and can succeed in life). Strength should no longer be much needed? Without strength the smartest wouldn't be able to invent and build what we have today ie buildings, cars, and all that heavy stuff it's about balance strength help smart smart do the same in return if subsided in humanity now the world would most likely have failures.

(not to be taken as flamming,negative response nor insult but my opinion because this is a serious discussion, and I respect yours)

i gotta say i was a c student in school and i think my life is easier than all my a student friends, i was able to adopt prettyeasily into "real" life, while i was never booksmart(didnt interest me, not that i cant comprehend it) i was always street smart.

While I kept a high GPA, i never realyl did consider myself booksmart.. i was more of a logical thinker (ie acing MC tests)

But i could interpret information from books easily so i dunno >.>


Im not talking about the 1800s... peopel should know how "ghetto" fashions started out from being poor (ie big clothes = not buying new ones)
Im just saying that the peopel who try to act all gangster are just liek sheep following the other sheep and cant think for themselves nor woudl they want to (ie stagnation)

david talks about the many street peopel who succeed in life, but thats like what, .001% of the entirety of them?

I didnt say strength isnt needed, im jstu saying it shouldnt be the domninant strain over intelligence (in evolution concepts remember)
Strength was key to survival in the wild and the stronger you were, the better off, but now the smarter you are, the more well off you are (usually).
At this point, strength is more or less negligible because of technical advances (ie power suits, even thoguh they;re still in R&D)
And you have to remember Im talking MODERN, not 100 years ago or even 10 years ago, I meant this thread to be mroe or less about the future and not the distant past.

Im not a race supremacist at all but I believe there is such a thing as a "better" type of person... not in any moral sense or "gods chosen", or even any single distinguishable race (white, black, asian) but more along just higher evolved people. There isnt any one single individual I would list in this, just the multitudes of people who seem well, better than the average joe. I dont need some superhuman to be evolved, but jumping a few feet higher or having 10 points higher IQ is a step ahead

whoa whoa whoa lieron hold on a sec :shock:

this wrong for me no matter from what angle i look at it :?

i really don't believe in this "jumping a few feet higher or having 10 points higher IQ" as a "better" type of person concept...thats a load of bull :x

how can you even judge a better type person by their intelligence or by their strength...if you do, then (bad)hackers and thugs would easily fit in this "better" person category...and believe me those kinds are not better at all...hell!!!, they are crooks & criminals for Christ's sake!!! have you ever think of this??

i judge people as "better" type of person for what good they have done in their life for other people or at least for themselves :wink:

Neither was I making it a 1980s (1980>1800 typo) matter just telling you a little back ground sinced it seemed like you didn't understand what you were saying without proper research or how ever you obtained unaccurate sources.

Nor did I mention ANYTHING about street people succeeding in life just stating that not all blacks are completely unintelligent so I dunno what the hell you got out of my post of me saying that so don't get it twisted.

Look at the in the parentheses section -.-

To gizmo: I forgot to add in ignore moral reasoning

I think you lost me on the definition of better.. I dont mean a better person as in kind and caring and what not.. I meant better as in having better abilties and skills... so yes, hackers and people smart enough to cheat other people are in the category (note that Im not)

Many people have the street smarts and can succeed in life, yeah i said it that doesn't mean I'm excluding all other races. And I said they can, not that they are -_-

The human body can't really evolve so much when intelligence makes them adaptable enough.

It's technology that keeps us from evolving.

they say that the more you use an organ of your body, the more it will develop

and it can go the other way: if you don't use that organ, it would degenerate

so as long as humans keep on using their brains despite the technological advances, hopefully, they won't lose their brains

but we won't have to worry so much, weaker beings can't propagate so much because of competition and ever increasing standards...

jonsmith: not true (last sentence at least)

look at middle US / southern US >< (maybe inner city too)

Yeah every society is wiped out sooner or later for us I can only think of Global warming, WMD, The whole entire world get into a cival war, Aliens/Zombies attack, or the Apocalypse.

No wonder my friend was mentioning something about geeks get the girls