Gays in the Military
Should gays be allowed to serve in the military?
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Lughost
the Lugoat
rueaku wrote...
muff_muncher wrote...
Ignorance. Paranoia. I don't know..It is no longer ignorance when you know you are wrong but ignore it, it is stupidity.
Well, A LOT of people are stupid.
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shinji_ikari
Mustn't Run Away...
Gays in the military is a great idea. I mean they'd always be watching your ass...pun intended.
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I seem to recall that in ancient Greece many of the Spartan warriors were gay, and look how great they were fighting wars.
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Reaper_69 wrote...
I don't have a problem with it..but the guys near them wouldn't feel right..and would be terrified of dropping the soapI hope that's a joke. Just because someones gay doesn't mean they're going to rape everyone that has a penis. Hey, you're straight, do you plan on raping everyone that has a vagina?
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jmason
Curious and Wondering
I hope America let them serve military duty. Just because they are gay doesn't mean they are lesser than the rest. They are as capable as any other male the military has.
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Sexuality doesn't have a damn thing to do with the military!
Gays have the same rights as anyone else wanting to join!
Gays have the same rights as anyone else wanting to join!
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shinji_ikari
Mustn't Run Away...
LostQuartet wrote...
Reaper_69 wrote...
I don't have a problem with it..but the guys near them wouldn't feel right..and would be terrified of dropping the soapI hope that's a joke. Just because someones gay doesn't mean they're going to rape everyone that has a penis. Hey, you're straight, do you plan on raping everyone that has a vagina?
If I said yes would you hold it against me ._.
But seriously their a liability I don't want in my squad ,cause while I maynot have a problem with them if someone else does it can seriously fuck us up during a deployment if the guy who's against it pulls some bigoted bullshit..it's fine if your gay,but your personal life is exactly that..personal..keep it to yourself.it may not be fair ,but that's life.
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I'm not sure that open gays joining the military is a good idea, mostly for them.
Me being in training camp just for 7 days is enough to make that much clear.Like it or not the army is where testosterone has the loudest voice and ...well it has a very biased view on the subject.
Me being in training camp just for 7 days is enough to make that much clear.Like it or not the army is where testosterone has the loudest voice and ...well it has a very biased view on the subject.
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I'm pretty tired of the "It's for your own good if you stay in the closet and keep your sexuality private" argument. Yes, I know you can be bullied, harassed, tormented, and even killed for being gay. But you don't have to be gay to be treated like that. If we follow that logic, I guess it would be best to keep, let's say, "ugly" and/or overweight kids home from school, because they can and probably will be bullied and harassed by their peers. I mean, it's only for their own good, right? Likewise, it would really be best if everyone stayed inside 24/7, because you never know when there comes a long a psycho that would want to kill you.
Seriously, it's not gays that should be careful and protect themselves from being bullied. It's the bullies that should stop bullying us. So if a kid is being bullied for being gay, or a soldier is being mistreated for his/her sexuality, it's not their fault. It's not the victims fault. It's the bastards who bully and harass who are at fault.
Sorry for probably sounding angry or whatever, but... seriously. If I join the military, I'm not going to shut up about my sexuality for "my own good". (Because there will definitively arise situations where people would find out about it.) I expect to be treated with respect, just like every other human being. Period.
Seriously, it's not gays that should be careful and protect themselves from being bullied. It's the bullies that should stop bullying us. So if a kid is being bullied for being gay, or a soldier is being mistreated for his/her sexuality, it's not their fault. It's not the victims fault. It's the bastards who bully and harass who are at fault.
Sorry for probably sounding angry or whatever, but... seriously. If I join the military, I'm not going to shut up about my sexuality for "my own good". (Because there will definitively arise situations where people would find out about it.) I expect to be treated with respect, just like every other human being. Period.
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shinji_ikari
Mustn't Run Away...
muff_muncher wrote...
I'm pretty tired of the "It's for your own good if you stay in the closet and keep your sexuality private" argument. Yes, I know you can be bullied, harassed, tormented, and even killed for being gay. But you don't have to be gay to be treated like that. If we follow that logic, I guess it would be best to keep, let's say, "ugly" and/or overweight kids home from school, because they can and probably will be bullied and harassed by their peers. I mean, it's only for their own good, right? Likewise, it would really be best if everyone stayed inside 24/7, because you never know when there comes a long a psycho that would want to kill you.Seriously, it's not gays that should be careful and protect themselves from being bullied. It's the bullies that should stop bullying us. So if a kid is being bullied for being gay, or a soldier is being mistreated for his/her sexuality, it's not their fault. It's not the victims fault. It's the bastards who bully and harass who are at fault.
Sorry for probably sounding angry or whatever, but... seriously. If I join the military, I'm not going to shut up about my sexuality for "my own good". (Because there will definitively arise situations where people would find out about it.) I expect to be treated with respect, just like every other human being. Period.
Jeez..these arguments are so self-indulgent..ya it's your right to be gay ,and you deserve to be treated equally..bullies should grow up and accept you for who you are..but while where magically changing the nature of these individuals ,and the entire machismo the military of EVERY nation is built on ,lets find a cure for cancer ,and stop the inequality in the workplace ,and blah blah blah..ya in an ideal world you being homosexual wouldn't matter...sadly you don't live their.The world just doesn't work like that sorry, bitch about it all you want , but until society as a whole accepts homosexuals or the type of individuals attracted to the military changes ,you're shit out of luck. So, preach if you must, but I'm not willing to fucking die in a firefight for YOUR rights ,just because you or someone like you brought out the worst in some bigoted asshole ,and he decides to let you take a bullet.
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muff_muncher wrote...
If we follow that logic, I guess it would be best to keep, let's say, "ugly" and/or overweight kids home from school, because they can and probably will be bullied and harassed by their peersNo, by following that logic we'll sent our kids but they won't be wearing t-shirts with I'm "fugly" "deal with it" " or " respect me for it " written on them, and they will be bullied cause that how it has been for ages and through time that actually is now a reality, and you can't deny reality, well the same applies to the military example. Sadly the truth to the matter is this the army isn't a place that's ready to accept homosexuals within its ranks and "this" is a reality, society barely does and the army is (for the most part) the testosterone part of the society, only there lives are at stake, and with that being part of the equation...
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shinji_ikari wrote...
If I said yes would you hold it against me ._.
No, I like rape. ;]
OT: If some gays want to keep private about it in fear of being harassed, then fine. They don't want to be bothered about it and that's their choice. However, those who don't mind it being public knowledge shouldn't be considered a liability. The commander or one in charge during the deployment should shut up the retard bigot who has a problem with it.
If some bigot redneck fucker is going to pull some bullshit about the guy next to him being gay, then the guy in charge should ask him if the bigot redneck fucker is here to serve in the military or bitch about sexual orientations.