Love doesn't need a reason, but so does hatred?
Love doesn't need a reason, but so does hatred?
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It is very, very hard for someone to get me to the point when i could honestly hate them. For me, i can deal with people who can be annoying at times, but when someone screws me over that is when i get pissed off.
As for love, i feel i do need a reason to love someone. I mean, i generally don't go out of my way to mess with people, but i've had some negative experiences of people taking advantage of my kindness, so i do try to be more careful about with who i let into my life
As for love, i feel i do need a reason to love someone. I mean, i generally don't go out of my way to mess with people, but i've had some negative experiences of people taking advantage of my kindness, so i do try to be more careful about with who i let into my life
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Lughost
the Lugoat
Hate being an emotion means that there doesn't need to be a reason for it. Sure, there almost always is, but it's not a necessity. Sometimes people just feel great animosity towards one another for no apparent reason and hate without cause.
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Grenouille88 wrote...
Hate being an emotion means that there doesn't need to be a reason for it. Sure, there almost always is, but it's not a necessity. Sometimes people just feel great animosity towards one another for no apparent reason and hate without cause. That's terrible logic. Just because something is an emotion that makes it exempt/excused from reason?
As others have already said, if you can't find a reason for something you haven't looked hard enough.
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Sorry, but hate needs a reason. If you hate someone without a reason you're just being a douche then lol. But love is unconditional, just making a friend is a simple reason for you to love someone already. But if you think about everything has a reason as in literally EVERYTHING. Love has reasons too, theres no such thing as love has no reason. Lets say you have had a love at first sight. You never talked to him/her but you fell in love. In that situation theres obviously a reason why you fell inlove with him/her. One could be they could be extremely beautiful and eye catching. So its to say everything has a reason. Theres no such thing as no reason.
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Tegumi
"im always cute"
Nitzlplix wrote...
There is no such thing as 'unconditional' love, because there is always a reason; always a condition. And rather than explain it, myself, I think this quote expresses the sentiment much more eloquently. "I loved Sarah, Charles. It was mine, that love. I owned it. Even Sarah didn't have the right to take it away. I can love whoever I want".
The quote is from Charlie Kaufman's Adaptation if you care to look it up.
At the barest minimum, all a person really must do to be a receiver of another's 'unconditional' love is exist.
In addition, if you really want to delve into this subject of discussion, I would recommend two books that might interest you:
-The Little Prince (Le Petit Prince) by Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
-The Ethics of Ambiguity by Simone de Beauvoir
Thank you.
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Well, personally I think there is no such thing as unconditional love. For example, loving your family. I love my family BECAUSE they really do care about me, that's why I love them. For those who says love has no reason, it's not like it has NO reason, but more like they themselves DON"T KNOW the reason why they fall in love.
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vincemanners12 wrote...
Well I have read the book Little Prince. If you all guys say we need reason to hate, then love too?But I guess love is more powerful than hate. I mean it happens all the time.
Like in G Gundam. They gave their last attack with love, which is unexpected.
These are all stories.
Bullshit like these don't happen in life.
There's a reason for everything which means there is a reason for what you hate or love or any other emotion there still is.
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OhSHI-! wrote...
vincemanners12 wrote...
Well I have read the book Little Prince. If you all guys say we need reason to hate, then love too?But I guess love is more powerful than hate. I mean it happens all the time.
Like in G Gundam. They gave their last attack with love, which is unexpected.
These are all stories.
Bullshit like these don't happen in life.
There's a reason for everything which means there is a reason for what you hate or love or any other emotion there still is.
well said brother, give it to him.
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OhSHI-! wrote...
vincemanners12 wrote...
Well I have read the book Little Prince. If you all guys say we need reason to hate, then love too?But I guess love is more powerful than hate. I mean it happens all the time.
Like in G Gundam. They gave their last attack with love, which is unexpected.
These are all stories.
Bullshit like these don't happen in life.
There's a reason for everything which means there is a reason for what you hate or love or any other emotion there still is.
You're right at that. I'm just guessing examples after all
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I think hate is a very strong word. Love and Hate kind of the same thing. It means that a person has become so close to you that they can affect your emotions. I personally don’t hate anyone. You have to think to yourself “do I really actually hate this person, do I really care about them enough to waste my time hating him or her”. I think with some people you naturally get along or don’t. I’m taking about specially people unrelated to you. Some people love you or hate you just because of who you are, not because of what you have done. So I do believe that there are sad people that have no reason to hate others and yet do because they hate themselves. You have to love yourself before you can love others.
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I think hate and love both need a reason. They're both emotions and both can be researched, therefor explained and when it can be explained, it got to have a reason.
The thing is. Many people say love doesn't need a reason, cause that reason is sometimes hard to find. That could make people insecure and due to that mess up a relation.
People often say hate does need a reason, because that would be better for your own sake. In that I follow Thomas Hobbes, who states men is selfish by nature, but forms social contracts to ensure their own well being. You could say men is scared to be killed. Cause say if everyone may hate without a reason, you'll have chaos in no-time.
That would explain why people say love doesn't need a reason, but hate does.
However I do believe both have reasons.
And you said if I chose 'No' that I also say I think a utopia is possible. I don't think a utopia is possible. [Only when everybody's dead perhaps, including me]. I don't see why a utopia should go along with reasons for hate. When everybody may hate without eachother, I can see how a distopia would be formed.
But since I believe everybody's selfish by nature [and therefor act altruistic] I think a utopia wouldn't be possible. Since everybody is kind off acting against their own nature.
The thing is. Many people say love doesn't need a reason, cause that reason is sometimes hard to find. That could make people insecure and due to that mess up a relation.
People often say hate does need a reason, because that would be better for your own sake. In that I follow Thomas Hobbes, who states men is selfish by nature, but forms social contracts to ensure their own well being. You could say men is scared to be killed. Cause say if everyone may hate without a reason, you'll have chaos in no-time.
That would explain why people say love doesn't need a reason, but hate does.
However I do believe both have reasons.
And you said if I chose 'No' that I also say I think a utopia is possible. I don't think a utopia is possible. [Only when everybody's dead perhaps, including me]. I don't see why a utopia should go along with reasons for hate. When everybody may hate without eachother, I can see how a distopia would be formed.
But since I believe everybody's selfish by nature [and therefor act altruistic] I think a utopia wouldn't be possible. Since everybody is kind off acting against their own nature.
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Ok, I'll share my opnion, and will be hated because of it. I'll be hated because of something incredibly simple, yet amazing. Love and hate are, as are feelings, are ways to socialize. We, humans, are NOT social beings. We grouped up and started this lovely amazing thing called society to make sure we get strenght in numbers. The world is cold and brutal, and we survived as a group, first in families, then larger groups, until cities and all... Long history short, to make socialization easier, we tend to love who we can get along with, and hate people we can't.
So yes, love and hate does need a reason. But we love and hate people for the wrong reason. And no, utopy is utopy and will still be. It's not possbile for somthing like world peace and anything like that to happen. We're warriors, we fight along ourselves for no reason, just for the pleasure of it. The humans work quite simply: we tendo to the pleasure, and run from the pain. We feel pleasure on other pain, and even on our won. War(mental confrotation), in every aspect, is a giant magnet lurking our personality into it. We're made of hate, war and pain. Love is a misunderstanding, peace is a interval between wars and pleasure comes with pain. That's all there's to it.
Time for the haters to show up!
So yes, love and hate does need a reason. But we love and hate people for the wrong reason. And no, utopy is utopy and will still be. It's not possbile for somthing like world peace and anything like that to happen. We're warriors, we fight along ourselves for no reason, just for the pleasure of it. The humans work quite simply: we tendo to the pleasure, and run from the pain. We feel pleasure on other pain, and even on our won. War(mental confrotation), in every aspect, is a giant magnet lurking our personality into it. We're made of hate, war and pain. Love is a misunderstanding, peace is a interval between wars and pleasure comes with pain. That's all there's to it.
Time for the haters to show up!
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TyrantValois wrote...
Ok, I'll share my opnion, and will be hated because of it. I'll be hated because of something incredibly simple, yet amazing. Love and hate are, as are feelings, are ways to socialize. We, humans, are NOT social beings. We grouped up and started this lovely amazing thing called society to make sure we get strenght in numbers. The world is cold and brutal, and we survived as a group, first in families, then larger groups, until cities and all... Long history short, to make socialization easier, we tend to love who we can get along with, and hate people we can't.So yes, love and hate does need a reason. But we love and hate people for the wrong reason. And no, utopy is utopy and will still be. It's not possbile for somthing like world peace and anything like that to happen. We're warriors, we fight along ourselves for no reason, just for the pleasure of it. The humans work quite simply: we tendo to the pleasure, and run from the pain. We feel pleasure on other pain, and even on our won. War(mental confrotation), in every aspect, is a giant magnet lurking our personality into it. We're made of hate, war and pain. Love is a misunderstanding, peace is a interval between wars and pleasure comes with pain. That's all there's to it.
Time for the haters to show up!
First off, I'd like to point out that prefacing and concluding your post with, essentially, haters gonna hate is not nearly as clever as you think it might be. If anything, the fact that you're self-aware of this makes me want to believe you're just posting in a tongue-and-cheek sort of fashion. Though, I don't think that's the case.
Humans are social creatures and social evolution has been taking place in humans since the great migration out of Africa between 125,000 and 60,000 years ago (Meredith 148). The act of war, alone, is an act of social interaction. And the behavioral trait of altruism could not exist in a species that is not a social one (Sahllins 12-16); just the same, neither could spite as it requires both a provider and a receiver.
Perhaps early --and I mean early--- human beings were not social creature, but the humans of today, the humans of yesterday, yesteryear, and of the last 60,000 millennium, are.
I won't call you ignorant because you seem to have a basic understanding of how societies developed, but I will call you stupid for coming to the conclusion that you did with that knowledge. Perhaps you're just in that teenage angst phase and are listening to too much Linkin Park. Maybe, maybe not. But I hope that's the case (or something similar) because at least you can grow out of it.
Works Cited:
Evolution and culture. Ed. by Marshall David Sahlins and Elman Service. Ann Arbor, MI: Univ. of Michigan Press, 1960; Andrey Korotayev, Nikolay Kradin, Victor de Munck, and Valeri Lynsha. Alternatives of Social Evolution. Vladivostok: Far Eastern Branch of the Russian Academy of Sciences, 2009. P.12-59.
Martin Meredith (10 May 2011). Born in Africa: The Quest for the Origins of Human Life. PublicAffairs. p. 148. ISBN 9781586486631.
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Pianocat14, it is somewhat obvious that what i said is in the psycological sphere and not on the biological one. What you said is true, what I said make sense and it's not a lie, if you want to believe it's not true, your call. The thing is, all I'm speaking is on the filosofy and psycology fields, once you CAN NOT explain feelings on the other fields, besides the physical part of them, what is not what I was looking for. Also, making such an extent and beautiful analyzes of someone on the web dosen't work. It just dosen't.
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Mr.Shaggnificent wrote...
Most, if not all hate comes from fear and/or ignorance.I don't think I hate my ex-girlfriends current fling because I'm afraid of him.
Hate and fear are very different, but it's true that many times people will use the word 'hate' in lieu of fear so as not to appear weak. I used to say I hate being alone in the dark, when really I was just freaked the fuck out.
Hate doesn't need a reason, but it is usually caused by one.
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I believe there is always a reason for love and for hate. We may be unable to express it or pinpoint exactly what that reason may be but there is a reason.
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I dont understand how hate couldnt have a reason. Just simply look at another person and hate them for no reason, what? I dont even understand how it could develop "without" a reason. And loves reason was already figured out by Nitz quote.
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It's hard to say if you need a reason, I can't really say because I can't really think of anything that I hate, there are many things I dislike, but nothing or no one I truly hate.
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oneshott wrote...
Mr.Shaggnificent wrote...
Most, if not all hate comes from fear and/or ignorance.I don't think I hate my ex-girlfriends current fling because I'm afraid of him.
Hate and fear are very different, but it's true that many times people will use the word 'hate' in lieu of fear so as not to appear weak. I used to say I hate being alone in the dark, when really I was just freaked the fuck out.
Hate doesn't need a reason, but it is usually caused by one.
It could however be explained, by fear.
Perhpas something like: You first had her. Then later she left you for another guy. Then you could consider that guy as competition, who threatens your ability to reproduce [your genes].
Because of the threat you might not be able to reproduce because of that guy, you fear him and therefor hate him.
I'm not saying that that's the case. I just say that the hate could be explained by fear.