Narrow-minded statements

I'm starting this thread to stress out that I am sick of all the hypochrits and narrow minded idiots that the world has had the misfortune of being plagued with...

Here are a few examples of narrow-minded models of thinking, that are, unfortunately, widely spread across the population and my comments on them:

Don't watch animes because they're for kids:


Do this, look at this, listen to this, it's the new trend!


Talk nicely and politely... be diplomatic.


Respect your elders, parents, siblings etc.


There definately is/isn't a God

It sucks. That's why I don't watch it. Most of the time it's childish and full of stupid crap.

Well to be fair since you posted all your ideals i should be able to post mine.
Hope i don't offend you im just giving my side of the story.

A. Anime is made for all age groups, From Adult to Child. So some amine is for kids, some is not. One thing for sure is everyone has different tastes.

B. Sometime the new trend is cool. You shouldn't avoid the new trend just because its something that everyone is doing. If you avoid it just because everyone's doing it then it makes you just as mindless as the other idiots. If you want to do it do it, if not don't.

C. It takes real courage to stand up for your beliefs when they are threatened, but when you just run around saying this is how it should be is stupid. Lets say god. If you don't believe in god then its just that, you don't believe in god. Don't just go around "GOD IS FAKE GOT A PROBLEM???" Now when someone says god is real your wrong, then you stand up, and just to let you know you don't know what its like to die for your beliefs, most people start singing a different tune at that time.

D. You parents provided you with everything that made you who you are today, and i hope you like yourself. So thank your parents and be respectful because of all the things they did for you and helping you become the person you are today. PS. I don't want to hear "I'm adopted so my parents didn't to anything for me!" Your parents are the people who loved and raised you not the people who made you.

E. It's whatever you believe. I believe in god so atheists can be atheists and believers can be believers as long as they try to get along with one another.

Thank you for listening to my side! ^^

I'm not much of a social person myself, and I have always been a very strong believer in making your own choices. Still though, I don't think this point belongs in a post about narrow mindedness. I think your real point in here is the people that cave to peer pressure and do things that they really don't want to do for the sake of being accepted, which falls under the same note as your point on people being diplomatic:



Both points though are a matter of perspective though. There are issues that you compromise yourself on as well, for the sake of other people’s perceptions. They are simply different issues, but all the same you manage to see one and not the other, and then pat yourself on the back for being supposedly a better and stronger individual than everyone else (which ironically is still playing to other people's perceptions, just in a different way). Even if you are a better and stronger person, you have to realize that on some level you cultivate this persona because of the feeling of superiority that it gives you, and how that in turn will be perceived by others.

The only truely narrow-minded aspect of both of these statements is that you posted them in a thread ranting about narrow-mindedness. I think Japman19 says it best in his post above mine when he talks about point B.

For proof that there are issues you compromise on as well, although I am sure there are many, I think your point about religion serves well. Your stance of "we don't know anything" is quite clearly a very diplomatic position, which, Ironically, it is also a position that is popular with people who don't know what to think, most probably because everyone is telling them something different and they can't make up their own minds.

To clarify, I also believe that when you don't know something for certain, it is best to believe that you are uncertain. But when it comes down to the facts, there is lots of observational evidence to support the claim that traditional religion is a load of nonsense, and I personally think the likely hood of there being some other greater being that carries enough resemblance to the 'god' depicted in traditional religion or western ideology to be referred to as such is fairly small (bordering on slim to none). Now admittedly, it is always best not to discount even a small possibility, but I wouldn't base an argument on it either.

But back to the topic of diplomacy and telling the truth. The truth about telling the truth, is that it is much harder to know when it is best to keep your mouth shut. I also used to believe it was best to always tell the truth, and I still think that in most cases this is true, but there are some times when it is wiser to say nothing at all, or tell a white lie if forced. As a rule, things that are tied closely to emotions and only emotions tend to be the only ones I feel ever warrant this category. For example, telling someone what you really think of them just because they asked is not always a good thing to do. Knowing when and how to be subtle is infinitely harder than simply blurting out the truth, and something that has frequently gotten me in trouble in the past (especially with women).

My main point in all of this, is that while it is good to have strong beliefs and ideologies, it is important to remember that the world isn't ideal. I can sympathize with lots of your points, but I think that they are, in spite of everything, also very narrow-minded. The truth is that to be human is to be a hypocrite. This is not a new development in humanity, or something that is likely to change. In light of that, it is again, much harder to know when to compromise on an issue and when to fight about it. I think you would find that if there was no diplomacy, this world would be a far worse place than the one that it is today.

I'm only going to post on the anime situation.

It has always made me laugh when people compare it to cartoons.

Why?

Because if you were to ask those same people who claim it's childish because it's like cartoons, most of them enjoy shows like family guy and futurama.

And if you ever want to get technical about it. When cartoons were originally introduce, the main audience was adults, not children. In fact, there were a multitude of sex cartoons back during that time.

The whole, associating with children thing did not really occur much until Disney started chucking them out.


Overall, it's always been about the content, not the delivery method.

B. I'm not saying you should avoid new trends, I'm actually encouraging new experiences. The idea I'm pointing out is that if you try it and find out it's not something you like, you shouldn't continue doing it just because the general populace is urging you, so to say. Seeing as our habits and passions are one of the few things in life we can freely choose for ourselves, I think we have the right to say "yes" if we like it and "no" if we don't.

C. Obviously, I don't know exactly what it's like to die for my beliefs, but I have been persecuted for some of my ideas, tastes, ways of thinking and actions so I think I have a general idea of what it's like to suffer for your principles. Of course, there is the possibility of giving in at one point, should I, or someone dear to me, suffer too much for it, but I believe the limit is pretty high, judging from past experiences. And, of course I won't go shouting my ideas to anyone, anywhere, but should a conversation spark I'll support my concepts with arguments, but I'll also listen to whatever it is the others have to say, since I'm not the only one capable of independent thought.

D. I appreciate what my parents did for me, yes, but they're still people... and, like all people, they have good parts and bad parts. Who's to say they can't lie or do wrong things towards you, just like everyone else. Yes, you should respect your parents, but firstly for who they are as individuals and secondly for being your parents.

1. You do make a good point, there's different kinds of anime and its all(well most-_-) is different. BUT anime fans could be really asses sometimes too. I get mocked because the first anime I knew was anime and enjoyed was Naruto...I don't watch all time due to school and work but I'm up to date in the manga.

2. If you don't like social trends like twitter, Facebook etc. etc. its cool, yeah some people abuse and make it seem dumb...but who cares, as long as it serves it purpose its alright.

3. If some guy/girl comes up to my face and just starts yelling nonsense and/or words of hatred in my face, I will politely tell them to get the fuck off. Most people who complain about them not getting the right to talk don't like it when someone tells them they disagree with what they say, especially question it. People do have the right to say in what they belief, but they shouldn't expect everyone to agree or just silently stand by and not voice their opinion.

4. I see where you going with this and I understand why someone would feel this way. Personally I love my family, they may not be perfect but they also give me love and respect. As for elders I respect them because i know a lot when through and are going through hardships. Whether it be physical or mentally... it's just kinda impolite to refuse helping others who in some ways helped and watch us grow up. (This is all assuming you're family and or elders aren't assholes.)Although you're free to act the way you want.

5. I'm an atheist but I do respect other people of different belief's or cultures.(well some.....but in reality its just kinda a slippery slope and I dont really want to have the "is there a god conversation") I'm just not preachy to others which is what you mean. (belief #3 and this one sorta contradict each other sorta..)

If no one followed trends then people would not watch movies play games or view anime. Being Diplomatic is needed, some people cannot handle the truth. Respecting elders I agree. People should be respected only because of their actions and not for who they are. As for the god thing...well that is people's choice, no one can decide for them and should just be ignored overall on this point. People need their beliefs or they would lose out on what makes them people.

@StaticChange

That's one impressive wall of text you've written there, and I understand your way of thinking, and I agree with some of the arguments. However, on the subject of religion, I don't view my neutral approach to God as diplomatic, since I'm not thinking like this in order to appeal to someone. It's just one of the conversations in which I consider have an impartial standing.

Indeed, the world could have been alot worse today should there have been a total lack of diplomacy, but I also think it could've been better if we were to strip the lieing part of it and tell the truth in a respectfull way. Take for instance, Simon Cowell... I don't know what he is like off-screen, but when he is seen as a judge for various competitions, he bluntly expresses his opinion, no matter how good or harsh it may be. He does so, not to insult (as some people might think), but to give the person in front of him a more realistic view of their situation. The world isn't ideal, true, but the concept of always telling the truth is considered a wrong approach, not because it is faulty, but because most people don't want to accept the truth and prefer to be misled by pretty words. Also, this shouldn't stop people from trying to be more honest and sincere, at least with their family or people they trust.

As for the matter of being subtle, mostly around women... yeah, I totally get what you mean :))... it's a necessity I'm not too fond of, but I'm guilty of doing it.

*Regarding trends, I'm totally into trying new stuff, seeing as I don't fare well with monotony and think life should be lived at it's fullest. Change is always good :D. Perhaps I made a poor choice of words, initially, but I just wanted to point out that you shouldn't be or feel forced to like something just because it's currently in fashion.

At any rate, this discussion is purely a matter of persective, and I'm not saying my ideas are the absolute truth, but they are valid from my point of view.

The irony of being open minded is you have to tolerate the narrow-minded views of others.

There's open-minded until your brain falls out too though. So, tread your steps carefully or whatever.

You don't know how right you are.

The media loves people like Simon Cowell, because they spark controversy and keep things interesting. I'm willing to bet you don't know the names of any of the other american idol judges. I know I don't. Ironically, I'm bad with names and didn't have a name for his face either until after your post, where I googled him on a hunch.

My point: The sort of brutal honesty you are talking about is just as self-serving as the lies you contrast it to. Regardless of how Simon Cowell acts off-screen, the portrayal we see on the TV is carefully cultivated by the media. As I said, the world isn't perfect, and it never will be. No one has your best interests in mind, unless theirs are served through them. It isn't that I disagree with trying to make the world a better place either... I'm just very pessimistic/realistic about it.



A true statement from every angle, and applicable to nearly everything and anything that there is to debate. There isn't a thing in this world you or I have ever perceived that was not relative. Everyone sees their values, arguments, and ideas as valid from their point of view, even if to manage that their point of view must encompass some recursion.