National Pride or Proud to be Free?
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Ranguvar wrote...
Are you proud to come from where you come from?Do you take pride in your national identity or do you wish you were born elsewhere, if so where and why?
For me I am proud to be British, not English (which for those of you who are aware is a subtle yet important diffrence) but British. I am proud to say that the Queen is my Sovereign, I am proud that our language is to be perfectly honest, the most widespread and diverse on the planet and I am proud that I was born British.
Yet I want to know what you think, and why it is or is not important to you?
French is the most commonly spoken language in the world. Not that it really matters, because while French may be the language of diplomacy, English is the language of commerce. I know it doesn't really matter, just saying, I guess.
Sobutai wrote...
I hate AmericaSure its the "Melting Pot" sure its a Super Power, but, its also one of the biggest breading grounds for stupidity and ignorance. Sure there are places were people are brainwashed but thats selected ignorance, we Americans seem to want to be ignorant, want to be washed away by the latest trend, washed away with our jobs, taking less time to do what you want to do.
In a way V For Vendetta did sum up why America is starting to fall, "Godlessness." I don't believe in any religion because man in flawed ergo religion is flawed. But people in America are so focused on themselves and not others its sick.
I'd have a hell of alot more to rant about but im feeling very sleepy .... too tired.... to ... write....
Dude, don't be that guy.
Half the things you said aren't even bad, or exclusive to the US. Being consumed by popular trends and your job is great. Most people should do it, and most people do. Individualism is horrible for society.
Anyway, stop being all high-and-mighty and do your job.
That being said, I'm not a nationalist or a patriot. I was born and I live in the US, and am probably better off for it, but at this point in my life, I hardly care about my country at all. There are several other places in the world that would be just as suitable for someone like me.
And while I'm not a patriot, I certainly don't like anti-Americanism in general. Not that there aren't some good reasons for it, but most of the time it's as much band-wagoning as stock-patriotism is, and people don't really think about it.
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On topic I have much pride in my country (America). I couldn’t image living anywhere else and not hating my life. Here there are little problems not the big ones other places in the world so I feel more than fortunate that I live here and not somewhere else. If I had a choice I wouldn’t live anywhere else. Sure Americas got its problems just like the whole world, but that’s just the way people are they like to complain because they always think there is improvement.
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On topic I have much pride in my country (America). I couldn’t image living anywhere else and not hating my life. Here there are little problems not the big ones other places in the world so I feel more than fortunate that I live here and not somewhere else. If I had a choice I wouldn’t live anywhere else. Sure Americas got its problems just like the whole world, but that’s just the way people are they like to complain because they always think there is improvement.
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I do not understand pride of nationality; pride of something out of one's control. I believe pride should be reserved for a personal accomplishment, not an accident of birth.
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I do not understand pride of nationality; pride of something out of one's control. I believe pride should be reserved for a personal accomplishment, not an accident of birth.
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I'm from America but I went on a trip to Japan to do Judo. One thing I noticed is how senpai treat their kohai. In America in martial arts when somebody makes a mistake or does we just tell them what they did wrong. In Japan I was working out with a Japanese guy practicing some throws. He was not yelling in unison with the team. the team captain just came up and socked him in the face and cussed him out for 15 mins while I just stood there in shock with a "what the fuck" expression on my face.
Kohai also have to do everything a senpai say even if it's like chug a bottle of sake, which is pretty much the senpai chugging it down their throat. I also noticed Kohai when speaking to a sempai they have to clearly say "hai" when a senpai can just grunt when a Kohai is talking to them because it is not worth their energy to speak to them. Maybe this is different outside of sport's teams but that's what it was like for me when I was there. In America though everybody has this arrogance were nobody thinks there are better than themselves. Even a construction worker acts like a politician is no better or worse than himself. What I'm saying is in America everybody is too much of an asshole to take shit from anyone. And honestly I never noticed what an amazing thing that is.
Anyways in Japan everybody was super quiet and polite where ever I went. I'm not a loud person but when I went to Japan on the trains me and my friends were the only ones talking. The trains despite being crowed with people were dead quiet. Everybody seems like they are afraid to speak out in public (except when their drinking though, we had crazy parties with the Judo teams there). Also sometimes people felt like they were being nice because they had to and not because they wanted to.
Honestly, other people could have had different experiences there but this was mine. I know I sound pessimistic but I actually did have a blast in Japan and loved a lot of the stuff they had. I was only there for 2 weeks, which is no where near enough time to absorb a whole unique culture. I maybe would want to someday move to Japan. America has it's faults just like any other country, but at the same time I'm glad to be from America despite the whole world pretty much hating us.
Kohai also have to do everything a senpai say even if it's like chug a bottle of sake, which is pretty much the senpai chugging it down their throat. I also noticed Kohai when speaking to a sempai they have to clearly say "hai" when a senpai can just grunt when a Kohai is talking to them because it is not worth their energy to speak to them. Maybe this is different outside of sport's teams but that's what it was like for me when I was there. In America though everybody has this arrogance were nobody thinks there are better than themselves. Even a construction worker acts like a politician is no better or worse than himself. What I'm saying is in America everybody is too much of an asshole to take shit from anyone. And honestly I never noticed what an amazing thing that is.
Anyways in Japan everybody was super quiet and polite where ever I went. I'm not a loud person but when I went to Japan on the trains me and my friends were the only ones talking. The trains despite being crowed with people were dead quiet. Everybody seems like they are afraid to speak out in public (except when their drinking though, we had crazy parties with the Judo teams there). Also sometimes people felt like they were being nice because they had to and not because they wanted to.
Honestly, other people could have had different experiences there but this was mine. I know I sound pessimistic but I actually did have a blast in Japan and loved a lot of the stuff they had. I was only there for 2 weeks, which is no where near enough time to absorb a whole unique culture. I maybe would want to someday move to Japan. America has it's faults just like any other country, but at the same time I'm glad to be from America despite the whole world pretty much hating us.
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my "national pride" differs from everyone else. To me, to be proud of your country or ethnicity is to put effort towards related causes. I love my country so I want to better my country. I am involved in politics to help make the country better. Once I get through college my goal will be to become an elected official in some capacity. Even if it means just being an appeals court judge or even local school board member.
This is the kind of "pride" my dad encouraged in me. If you own something or belong to something. Show your pride by taking care of it and improving it.
Sure its the "Melting Pot" sure its a Super Power, but, its also one of the biggest breading grounds for stupidity and ignorance. Sure there are places were people are brainwashed but thats selected ignorance, we Americans seem to want to be ignorant, want to be washed away by the latest trend, washed away with our jobs, taking less time to do what you want to do.
This is a trend amongst younger Americans that bothers me deeply. If your an American, then do something to help out rather than complain about how everything sucks. Complaining won't change anything, doing will.
This is the kind of "pride" my dad encouraged in me. If you own something or belong to something. Show your pride by taking care of it and improving it.
Sobutai wrote...
I hate AmericaSure its the "Melting Pot" sure its a Super Power, but, its also one of the biggest breading grounds for stupidity and ignorance. Sure there are places were people are brainwashed but thats selected ignorance, we Americans seem to want to be ignorant, want to be washed away by the latest trend, washed away with our jobs, taking less time to do what you want to do.
This is a trend amongst younger Americans that bothers me deeply. If your an American, then do something to help out rather than complain about how everything sucks. Complaining won't change anything, doing will.
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I'm partially proud of the fact that i am born in singapore and had spent 18 years of my life there as a average joe.
Most people in singapore are fags (yes you heard me said FAGS.)
I hate the way Singapore runs to be honest and how citizens actually treat each other, all in the name of profit. Money revolves too much in the many discontent in Singapore. People here are not really open minded to accpet the various cultures that're more open such as porn vids.
However i'm still grateful of the fact that i have a great mother, though irritating at times that gave birth me.
National pride doesn't really matter for me. I'm merely staying in singapore solely for the sake of my family. Without them , i'll prolly move to a country more suiting to my taste as a free lancer.
Most people in singapore are fags (yes you heard me said FAGS.)
I hate the way Singapore runs to be honest and how citizens actually treat each other, all in the name of profit. Money revolves too much in the many discontent in Singapore. People here are not really open minded to accpet the various cultures that're more open such as porn vids.
However i'm still grateful of the fact that i have a great mother, though irritating at times that gave birth me.
National pride doesn't really matter for me. I'm merely staying in singapore solely for the sake of my family. Without them , i'll prolly move to a country more suiting to my taste as a free lancer.
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I am proud as shit of the idealistic America. Here, with the right ambition you can do whatever, be whatever, and make it with whoever.
I don't like the way the government is handling foriegn policy, I don't like one of the major political parties removing choice in religion and lifestyle, as the other removes rights, like firearms, and "noise pollution" laws.
I don't like the federal government acting as the states should, and the states sitting by it.
I also don't like that the general population is satisfied with how these issues are handled, and that "change" is the new face for the acceleration of this deterioration.
I don't like the way the government is handling foriegn policy, I don't like one of the major political parties removing choice in religion and lifestyle, as the other removes rights, like firearms, and "noise pollution" laws.
I don't like the federal government acting as the states should, and the states sitting by it.
I also don't like that the general population is satisfied with how these issues are handled, and that "change" is the new face for the acceleration of this deterioration.
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Aud1o Blood wrote...
I am proud as shit of the idealistic America. Here, with the right ambition you can do whatever, be whatever, and make it with whoever.I don't like the way the government is handling foriegn policy, I don't like one of the major political parties removing choice in religion and lifestyle, as the other removes rights, like firearms, and "noise pollution" laws.
I don't like the federal government acting as the states should, and the states sitting by it.
I also don't like that the general population is satisfied with how these issues are handled, and that "change" is the new face for the acceleration of this deterioration.
Welcome to my world. Love the land, the ideals. Hate the government.
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Ranguvar wrote...
Are you proud to come from where you come from?Do you take pride in your national identity or do you wish you were born elsewhere, if so where and why?
For me I am proud to be British, not English (which for those of you who are aware is a subtle yet important diffrence) but British. I am proud to say that the Queen is my Sovereign, I am proud that our language is to be perfectly honest, the most widespread and diverse on the planet and I am proud that I was born British.
Yet I want to know what you think, and why it is or is not important to you?
Whereas I'm pround to be English, not British, but English.
And British is not a language, it's English.
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I'm from Sweden and i proud of it. imo Sweden is a very good country and i'm happy to live here and i have had a good life so far so i have no regrets being Swedish
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Also from Sweden. Don't know if I'd call it pride, but I don't feel bad about being swedish. We have history that won't loose to anyone, a nice colored flag and everybody is given more than just one chance at life. A generally nice country desu =)
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Whereas I'm proud to be English, not British, but English.
And British is not a language, it's English.[/quote]
I apologise for my lack of clarity although you may find that those who are British all generally speak English as thier first language so such an observation is partially irrelevant. I would like to agree with those who have Elder's for their insightful comments and opinons (and those who are not elders who replied in a similar vein). To those who feel negative about thier country though I ask you this. If you have a loving family, a warm bed, food to eat and a computer to amuse yourself, then how can you not be proud to be considered part of a society that never asked for anything in return. Except of course hard work and a willingness to approach the world with an open intelligent mind.
Your thoughts?
Whereas I'm proud to be English, not British, but English.
And British is not a language, it's English.[/quote]
I apologise for my lack of clarity although you may find that those who are British all generally speak English as thier first language so such an observation is partially irrelevant. I would like to agree with those who have Elder's for their insightful comments and opinons (and those who are not elders who replied in a similar vein). To those who feel negative about thier country though I ask you this. If you have a loving family, a warm bed, food to eat and a computer to amuse yourself, then how can you not be proud to be considered part of a society that never asked for anything in return. Except of course hard work and a willingness to approach the world with an open intelligent mind.
Your thoughts?
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I have some pride in my country, the society we have established is quite nice to live in. Were it not for my country i would not be the person I am today living in wealth and pleasure. ;-)
I do not believe that one should just claim the great achievements of the previous generations or other members of society as one's own.(My country won the world championship in football != I am the greatest football player)
However I think that if you contribute to your society, you will also feel you have an effect (however small or large) on the future your nation.
Almost all people in every society contribute in one way or another. Some are trash collectors and others scientists, and eventhough one position might seem more glorious than the other both groups depend on each other to provide a pleasent life.
I believe that you should view nations as a collective effort, where you can be proud of another member of your society's achievements. He or she would not be able to acomplish their great feats were it not for the supportive structure their society gives them.
In this way you could be proud to be a contributing member of a nation which makes such feats possible.
I do not believe that one should just claim the great achievements of the previous generations or other members of society as one's own.(My country won the world championship in football != I am the greatest football player)
However I think that if you contribute to your society, you will also feel you have an effect (however small or large) on the future your nation.
Almost all people in every society contribute in one way or another. Some are trash collectors and others scientists, and eventhough one position might seem more glorious than the other both groups depend on each other to provide a pleasent life.
I believe that you should view nations as a collective effort, where you can be proud of another member of your society's achievements. He or she would not be able to acomplish their great feats were it not for the supportive structure their society gives them.
In this way you could be proud to be a contributing member of a nation which makes such feats possible.
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I'm not that proud of Belgium, and would rather live elsewhere if possible, but contrary to most people here I still have some respect for our king and in a war I would fight for my country. I am mainly unproud of Belgium as a culture (as far as that's possible). Way too rural for me.
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I am glad that i was born in the US it has given me the perspective of how stupid/ignorant people can be. I am amazed by the lack of common sense i see on a day-to-day basis.
so to answer the question I am glad of where I was born but I don't care for the people or about the US because it is as I like to say "just a bunch of spoiled, ignorant, stupid, brainwashed, morons."
not trying to offend anyone sorry
so to answer the question I am glad of where I was born but I don't care for the people or about the US because it is as I like to say "just a bunch of spoiled, ignorant, stupid, brainwashed, morons."
not trying to offend anyone sorry
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I'm proud of my country, and what it stands for. The only problem I have with it is our government. It used to be for the people and it was something to be proud of. But as of late, they're being complete whores. Watch the news and you might know.
You make it sound as if bullying is only exclusive to the US. There is bullying everywhere, and Japanese bullies are much worse. Makes US bullies look like your best friends. Also, wtf you talking about? Japanese toilets being made of ice? Their toilets are even more advanced than our toilets... And spoiled? Try the French.
so to answer the question I am glad of where I was born but I don't care for the people or about the US because it is as I like to say "just a bunch of spoiled, ignorant, stupid, brainwashed, morons."
not trying to offend anyone sorry
You're an ignorant dumbass. Not trying to offend you, sorry.
Veldron wrote...
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You make it sound as if bullying is only exclusive to the US. There is bullying everywhere, and Japanese bullies are much worse. Makes US bullies look like your best friends. Also, wtf you talking about? Japanese toilets being made of ice? Their toilets are even more advanced than our toilets... And spoiled? Try the French.
loyal viewer wrote...
I am glad that i was born in the US it has given me the perspective of how stupid/ignorant people can be. I am amazed by the lack of common sense i see on a day-to-day basis. so to answer the question I am glad of where I was born but I don't care for the people or about the US because it is as I like to say "just a bunch of spoiled, ignorant, stupid, brainwashed, morons."
not trying to offend anyone sorry
You're an ignorant dumbass. Not trying to offend you, sorry.
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PersonDude wrote...
I'm proud of my country, and what it stands for. The only problem I have with it is our government. It used to be for the people and it was something to be proud of. But as of late, they're being complete whores. Watch the news and you might know.Veldron wrote...
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You make it sound as if bullying is only exclusive to the US. There is bullying everywhere, and Japanese bullies are much worse. Makes US bullies look like your best friends. Also, wtf you talking about? Japanese toilets being made of ice? Their toilets are even more advanced than our toilets... And spoiled? Try the French.
loyal viewer wrote...
I am glad that i was born in the US it has given me the perspective of how stupid/ignorant people can be. I am amazed by the lack of common sense i see on a day-to-day basis. so to answer the question I am glad of where I was born but I don't care for the people or about the US because it is as I like to say "just a bunch of spoiled, ignorant, stupid, brainwashed, morons."
not trying to offend anyone sorry
You're an ignorant dumbass. Not trying to offend you, sorry.
As for the part with bullies etc... I think there is no country in the world where there aren't bullies. It is just the way that they are being handled (checked upon) that differs from country to country.
The problem is that a lot of countries have become quite focused on the economy these days (which isn't necessarily bad), but alot of them have forgotten about educational science and are wondering why countries like Sweden, Finland etc are barely having problems in that sector. Not to mention that once they try to adapt those policies it is like trying to put an engine for a Lamborghini into a Trabant (for those who don't know it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trabant) - it just won't work out :P
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I'm happy to be American. I really and truly am, after all it's the nation that I live in and it's a nation where I'm allowed to voice my opinions and not have my tongue cut off in return. Sure we have our problems but that's going to be inevitable, and we have a dumb ass leadership (I hope Obama does what he's expected to but so far he's been proving time after time he's just another politician not that I'd vote for anyone in a party) anyways all in all I love my nation and I love many of the people here, hell if I had to I'd die just so our nation could go on.