Overduing Censorship In Gaming?

[Massive grumbling intensifies]

Of course it went overboard and hypocritical on top of that, have we seen male characters ever censored? No? I wonder why...
On the other hand femnazis, sjw (and trolls who just like to watch the world burn) few years back started attacking developers for "objectifying" females in games. (perhaps someone should explain to them that these are just bunch of polygons and textures?)

They tend to ignore completely character's personality or how many great female characters we had (because they don't care, it's just how it looks on *few* pictures on the internet not how it plays), games were always easy target for medias attack and worse yet big publishers bend over to these stupid requests - on the other hand we have small developers/publishers that simply don't care or never gets attention because they aren't big, that's big point to your question, if game isn't big enough to make it to ears of those who don't care about games we won't see censorship in it.
Japanese products as differently cultural country where tits aren't satanic evil by default is just easier victim in this politically correct cancer because they usually have international HQs in USA which is one of great homes of femnazism so they're prone to attack and black PR, on the other hand you have CD Project RED and The Witcher series which overflows with boobs and sex, if this Polish company was attacked for these reasons no one would agree with them and even more turning things upside down and backfiring on attackers because we in eastern europe have different mentality, not polluted with femnazism. (yet)
But as I said it's only about big companies, look at BlazBlue from Arc System Works for example, it's in the west, on all major platforms, female's cast clothing varies from pure fanservice to normal, yet you don't see shitstorm around it. Same could be said about much more examples but there's nothing to gain from attacking small targets.

I'm assuming that attacking popular product for bullshit reason is just easy way to get some fame and attention to whatever bullshit they're spreading, these attacks are the only way femnazis can achieve anything nowdays (mostly it seems to be to butcher something irrelevant and get selfmoralfaggotry medal out of it)where in the west they're 98%-100% equal to everyone else or even better. Obviously they don't care about real causes like middle east, africa or asia because that doesn't get them any benefits within their comfort zone where freedom of speech allows them to talk whatever.

I don't see bigger cause in this when blood and gore is ok in the west and tits are instantly satanic it's just laughable and pathetic but that's the west for you.

As for localizations here in Poland, they went shit over years, from epic dubbings that surpassed originals to really bad ones to lazy subtitle jobs. There's of course still some good ones like in Blizzard titles or The Witcher but that's endangered species. Fortunately there's no additional censorship involved.

Of course at the end of the day we can find a lot of cases where artists went needlessly overboard but here we can start argument about art and design and in the end these are easily ignorable and drown in the ocean of other works that didn't hurt anyone nor changed view of millions of people to suddenly treat others differently - we have propagandas and religions for that purposes.

As crappy as I think a lot of these changes are I wouldn't call them censorship. And before you start I'm not going to make the stupid SJW argument that only governments can censor. Simple fact of the matter is that as gaming has started to expand and even surpass other entertainment mediums in terms of sales and customers, more corporations, governments and moral crusaders have gotten interest in this new market and social phenomena.

Moral crusadors come in all shapes and backgrounds. They can be social conservatives who think video games make people more prone to do violent acts or just become desensitized to it. They can be progressives who don't like the idea of men(and some women) enjoying images of the female body because that type of simulation makes them treat women like objects despite all evidence showing the contrary. Others argue it doesn't show positive depictions or diverse depictions, like it was the duty of those individuals to do these things. When these type of groups complain and stomp their feet, video games devs are not obligated to listen, but some do because of personal beliefs or fear of loss in revenue. And as shitty as this is, it's not censorship, just pandering to different crowds, many who aren't even their consumers. The free market is a wonderful thing, since we don't have to follow those companies anymore. Don't like that Overwatch devs removed a pose, just don't buy the game and stop supporting Blizzard. Didn't like that Nintendo made a terrible localization of the latest Fire Emblem game? Pirate the games Japanese version and don't support Nintendo anymore. R.Mika's butt slap removal was unnecessary? Don't buy street fighter 5.

As far as actual censorship, there aren't many cases where a dev was stopped by a government outside of Germany and Australia. Mob rules are more common but rarely does it stoop to them not being able to make the game they wanted.

Games are a form of art, they should never be censored, they should be shipped as is, or if that is not an option, than ALL GAMES WITH ALTERED CONTENT SHOULD HAVE FREE RESTORATIVE PATCHES AVAILABLE ONLINE. preferably through the games manufacture. or license holder

Art walks a fine line when it's for profit/comissions and created via a team. Suddenly the goal is not to express yourself but to reach the bottom line - make money. It turns into a product of commercialism, and a group project and from that point on is no longer a form of free expression.

I find it pointless to criticize a project that chooses to do something to help their bottom line.

This is one of those issues where I just turn around and run away as fast as I can.

On one hand you have people trying to censor games just for having sex appeal, on the other you have people sending death threats to them in return. I see no reason to side with anyone, so I'll just keep on fapping to ero-manga and play games for fun whilst totally ignoring what goes on in the real world.

Activision has published games with female protagonist. They more than likely wouldn't have been funded because Lab Zero is operating in a very expense part of the country while only having released a not so successful game.

Native Americans are not a hivemind. The majority don't care about video games and those who do more than likely don't see it as something reprehensible. This whole trend among the regressive left where items or outfit related to culture = automatically bad. What if some people like seeing parts of their culture in games without having to feel guilt or like something was "stolen" from them. I don't know about you but I think it's cool that things like throwing tomohawks or moccasins are included into fictional worlds.

I'm not saying people don't have the right to change their creative works, or in Nintendo's case, works they happen to localize on behalf of other people, just that it's not always justifiable and those companies do deserve scrutiny for things they change, no matter how justifiable one thinks it is.

@Mr.everwood
This implies everyone or a majority who is against censorship is a violent brute. The golden mean fallacy is idiotic and you're definitely the lesser of the 2 "sides" for partaking in it.

It might have been a bit reductive to call this a 2-sided argument, but that won't change my opinion. I just simply want to pretend like this controversy doesn't exist. I've heard a lot of how mean-spirited the GamerGate-people can be, and I've heard a lot of the stupid complaints SJWs make about games among other things. At the same time I've heard people talk about misguided arguments, outright lies, feminists disagreeing with the SJWs, and all sorts of confusing shit that just pisses me off.

I just want to fap in peace. I won't waste anymore energy trying to receive permission for it because I already know I won't get it. The political left will call me a misogynist, and the political right will call me a degenerate, so to hell with them both.

Might? No, it definitely is. There is no horse shoe theory regarding this issue and there simply isn't 2 sides.

If you don't want to be involved because there are different kinds of "scary" people regarding this issue, that's your right, but let's not pretend you're better than both by reducing everything to two extremes.

Alright, then I won't reduce everything to two extremes and pretend I'm better than both. Happy?

2late my friend, time to commit sudoku.

But seriously m8, just because I'm trying to correct you and not make this place like IB doesn't mean you need to try and turn this issue about me and what I want.

>implying

Also. Ive made my stance clear on what i think in regards to this subject on ib.

I will not buy games that are censored or push sjw propaganda knowingly.

Well, since I'm working on a game myself, I might as well throw in my two cents. If I were to sell my game to a publishing company, then its only natural to expect that there would be some censorship due to the complaints of others. Would it make me mad? Yes, but by the end of the day, I would comply in order to get paid. As much as I can't stand censorship or being censored, there are some things you just can't control when you're in a working environment and living in a civilized society. To me its no different than going to work and being forced to wear a suit and tie. When you create something, you have to not only keep in mind the target audience, but also where you're making it. If I lived in the middle east, fuck censorship, I could get my head chopped off for drawing the wrong thing. Yes, games are an art form and should never be censored or suppressed, but if the majority demands for it, then so be it. That's why if I ever do finish my game, I'm not taking it to a publisher, I'll be my own boss and say fuck you to anyone who dares try to censor my work.

Would you comply to a censorship imposed upon you by individuals whose legal power is close to none, hence you can also easily tell them to fuck off?

Of course not, in fact I hope doing so would inspire other developers not to give in. However, if I'm working for a team and I'm not in charge, then its not really up to me to decide.

the only thing I want to say is the for some crazy reason American culture think gratuitous violence and gore is acceptable but tits and ass is like satan work. One of them is literally murdering people and the other is just a natural part of human life. They are censoring the wrong stuff if you ask me

although, I like both so they should keep both.

Even the violence gets censored in the US but there are exceptions. Doom has tons of gore and executions but because they're demons it's allowed, but you can't do the same to human enemies.

I think the issue with tits is that they don't want them to know about sexual activity? Still dumb lol.