Police brutality .... going a little too far there officer.

http://www.policebrutality.info/
( There you can find your pick of story and conclude your thoughts )

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Police_brutality

So for the past 2 years I have been watching countless videos and articles from individuals regarding Police Brutality and how it is more frequently used under unnecessary situations such as peaceful protests, stopping a car, even stealing a candy from a store.

http://definitions.uslegal.com/p/police-brutality/
It is a MUST that police use force for necessary legitimate purposes and should only be used as a last resort if the situation is more than just talks. So for anyone if police use such brutality it is a direct violation of the 5th and 14th amendments of the US Constitution because it portrays similar to cruelty and also fails to protect the law, meaning the laws for them to hold back has been broken in this case. Now you know what to say when some cops wanna get close to you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYUH9mmgTJU
( This video regards one of the cases of police brutality )

Now my attention turned to this today when 2 buffed up police officers were stopping a female driver because she was apparently holding a cellphone and then suddenly they forcibly pulled her out of the vehicle, slammed her down, cuffed her, and slammed her down again, and then gave a fist bump after the arrest. Little did they know that the reports they sent in were literally lies stating they held on to the rules and then used force because she was "resisting arrest" even though the video was shown the opposite of their so called report. Now my question is that was that force necessary to use it on a female? The damage shown is pretty heavy to be using it on a light weight female considering these cops were both in combined weight well over 300 pounds of force. All she did was talk back to the police officers and they thought it was necessary to use force, and the best part is, all they got was desk duty, nothing more at the moment.


Now that we have the annoying part out of the way, I wanna ask you on how force in the police department should be used, and in what circumstances should it be used? If there were a "peaceful" protest at place, then isn't it obvious police has no business using force at all? Would the cops ever arrest you for writing with a chalk on the sidewalk that says love, no right, can't be? WRONG .. here is an example of that.
http://www.policebrutality.info/2013/01/santa-claus-arrested-for-writing-love.html

Unnecessary arrests are being made nowadays that are completely unlawful to the constitutions and also on this case, police officers are not dealt with in court, except the ones that are made big news.

How are your views on cases like these? Actually, why are police arresting civilians for minor acts that are not even a threat? What could be dealt with to prevent police officers from acting out of their law of action?

Here goes my personal opinion:
Personally I believe police brutality is not needed in most cases, if there is a demonstration regarding non-threatening matters, then Police should only stand by and watch in case a civil unrest does happen, which in these protests doesn't much happen. Police are professional human beings, so if someone badmouths them then they should just stand and do a normal procedure as usual, it's not like a female will transform into a huge serpent from hell or something. Also regarding strength, police these days are really buffed up, so there should be a VERY STRICT LAW that absolutely no force should be used on skinny human beings because let's face it, they'll get broken easily. I believe all of the police departments need a firm re-education regarding laws for the citizens as well as the officers, and they should watch videos and such every 3 months, just for my opinion.

I know my friends and I are strong and could break a few bones, but in comparison to these cops, we know the rules of how we should handle things, and what needs to be avoided. I believe it is the protectors of law that needs to be heavily punished if they break the rules, since they are on a higher level than us, not the citizens of America if they refuse arrest or don't wish to get out of their car, because like Ben Parker said, " With great power comes great responsibility", however I believe with the abuse of great power comes great consequences.

What's your opinion, what are your facts, can you counter me?

My opinion is just as the same as your Dollci, the force used by the police is way too much and seemingly unlawful since it is called on the wrong situation for it. I do wanna point out though as to what is exactly going on in the department that these officers are going out of control and not being punished the same way they caused the issue in the first place? I mean it's pretty ridiculous if you ask me, that these officers just beat up civilian, arrest them, then few hours later release them with no charges but fines.

But my real question is as to why these civilians don't deal with them in court, not against the officers, but against local governments that allow such acts to be committed and should really change the rules that holds them back. I mean everything can be handled in court, like that one lawyer who is going up against Obama regarding the NDAA ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QsGJpTAsV8k&list=UUhwwoeOZ3EJPobW83dgQfAg&index=2

Everything can be handled through court with massive amount of attendance and votes to stop them from furthering their acts of brutality, laws can be changed to favor the people, and also it is more professional to do it. For me personally I don't like it when people demonstrate and wish for change when change is not that hard to make, everything can be dealt with, just like Chris Hedges is dealing with it, in court.

Also thanks for posting links regarding the laws of police brutality, helps me much more to understand your thread.

I'd like to point out something even more interesting about police brutality. I like to compare it to social trends and public outlook towards certain professions. Look at fire fighters for instance, they are highly respected in almost all cultures, as well as soldiers if we are talking about first world countries. But look at the trend mostly in north america, it is highly apparent that we treat police with minimal respect and often show them hostility for no logical reason.

How many times have I seen someone walking buy a cop car yelling "Fuck you pig!" but I never understand why, what has that individual done to you. He or she is doing their job as best as possible but more and more people are becoming uncooperative with law enforcement and I believe that this is a direct result of our societal hostility towards law enforcement.

Comare it to Germany or France or China or Japan. Other leading countries comared to Canada and America show their police force the utmost respect and often don't require the police to have warrents to search property because their police for when they do show up aren't doing so on fraudulent accusation and they most certainly are not preparing to be shot at when they approach a property.

Look at Japan for example since we are on a hentai website. Until the 1960's the Japanese police force did not carry fire arms or blades. It was the American government that forced them to do so. When the police in Japan show up, people immediately comply. They offer them food, allow them to search the location, they give them the utmost information possible and the police go about their day. Japan is a country of the least reported police brutality and the least reported police corruption.

I think that speaks volumes compared to what happens here. I treat the law enforcement with the utmost respect and it is returned. I have never in my entire life ever been treated with disrespect by an offer, I have never been attacked or injured at the hands of an officer. I have seen cases in person of where people have been hit by officers, all of which I look at the victim and say to myself "god you are a stupid being, you could have seen that coming" The conduct of our society is sickening to say the least.

If you follow the law and don't prevoke the police there is never a problem but all the people you see in those videos of police violence do not show the police the least bit respect. If an officer tells you to back up and you stand there spouting your "freedom" crap in their face like "This is a free country, I'm on the sidewalk. I don't have to move" Well you're going to get your ass beat, if you just listen to the officer who asked you do something that isn't unreasonable. You'd be fine.



So NO, I have no sympathy for these people that get their ass beat.

I had to +rep you because you posted a side of the argument which I failed to mention.

I do agree with your point, most of the demonstrates purposely attract police to do something to them to justify their belief that the government is corrupt and so is the police force, and that mostly the ones who do the provoking are the protesters, which I personally believe have no gains in it because it needs to be professionally dealt with.

Although I do agree with you, however I wanna use the 5th and 14th amendment to my defense of argument stating police in any circumstances must preserve themselves until the situation for force calls for it,and not just that, the amount of force must also be used to the level of it needed to hold everything under control, meaning no more than what is needed.

Although there are cases that some of these protesters NEEDED to be forced to calm down, I still doubt that the woman on the video link deserved to be slammed down and get badly injured, considering she was no physical match for the two officers consisting of over 300 pounds of force.

I know force is needed, and many people need to comply, and probably some of the truths from the story were hidden to make many cops look bad. Still it is the responsibility of the police officers to exactly know how much force is needed and to know if the person they are using force on is the right amount.

I don't disagree with you, I just wanna defend my part.

Also, yes, I have no sympathy for many either, but police needs to follow the laws as well.

I can understand your point but as far as the video is concerned, it is rather short. It does not show what happened before she exited the car, what she did while in the car, it does not show the conversation between her and the officers.

For all we know this case of violence was against someone who got out of her vehicle without being told. Would not get off her phone to talk to the officer, was doing something the officer deemed threatening or uncontrolling.

Maybe I'm being to idealist in believing that the police will always make the right judgements. And don't do things unnecessarily.

That is where you have to start doubting that ideal .. because numerous cases have been brought up where cops are now shooting without any shred of evidence that the victims of the brutality has had any guns on them.

Like this for example, this guy just wanted to run or something but had nothing on him...


I know it sounds dumb, but weren't cops specifically taught to use guns if the situation were in dire threat, kinda like if the culprit had a gun on him or is holding someone hostage with a blade, and not use it carelessly?

I do believe there are also good cops around who handle things in peace and nicely asks citizens to follow his orders to make sure the situation is at hand, but there are also many bad cops who destroys your ideals of a good cop pretty quickly.

I'd like to believe that, but I do live in canada where there are certain things that aren't acceptable compared to america. Most of the issues I see are in a country like america where it is legal to carry a concealed weapon. Where it is legal to carry handguns on your person, and I am to believe that the police are to ask questions first and give an opportunity for someone to shoot them.

I just don't believe things like that. The LAPD get shot at all the time, so I can understand the shoot first policy.

It's pretty clear you have never seen or paid heed to a case of real, unmerited police violence upon an innocent person.

That's because I don't believe there are cases in the first world countries where police use unnecessary violence against people. People who follow the law in their dailies lives should have absolutely no reason to fear the police because the police have no reason to bother them and they won't.

If you're protesting your cause fine, protest away, but if you are blocking peoples ability to commute to work so they can make their money to pay for their families and hospital bills, and whatever else, rich or poor, and the police come and beat you, I still have no sympathy. You deserve it.

You get beaten by police even if you're innocent for living in a sketchy part of time, well that's just bad luck for you. No sympathy again because you are a reflection of your society. You can be the nicest person in the world but if your neighbourhood is controlled by gangs, you need to come to grips with reality.

I believe the police as part of their job can treat me however they want to treat me cause if I did something wrong to warrent the police the talk to me, then I deserve whatever punishment they give me.

That is however not justified considering the fact that there are countless other ways to handle things before shooting off carelessly to someone. If there is a known suspect who carries a gun with him then you may hold your gun towards the suspect as a warning if he doesn't comply with your orders, and since you already have a gun towards him he doesn't have a reason to give you a reason to shoot him, since you have the situation under control.

Shoot first policies are the worst since police can just shoot and mistake him as another person, and not to mention cops will have to face serious consequences for this action, and possibly face serious jail time, and maybe life if this case gets investigated finding out the cop didn't do his normal procedures and just killed a man.

To simply put it this way, I DON'T understand the shoot first policy and shooting first can only be applied if they know they are dealing with a suspect that pose a great threat to the safety of the police officers and society. Other than that, cops still gotta follow normal procedures at ALL TIMES!

There are people out there who practice something called the quick draw. The record it takes to react, draw the gun, aim, fire and hit a target accurately is 0.208 seconds. In point 2 of a second, you're dead. Most people aren't that fast but it takes a quarter of a second to percieve a threat. When your life can be valued in tenths of a second, there is no room to take chances.

And let me point something else out. In the Philopeans, they don't even really train in gun fighting, they train in knife fighting because in under 20 feet you do not have enough time to draw your gun against someone with a knife if they choose to rush you. You need to first realize that the opponant is coming at you with a weapon, take your gun out, turn off the safety, cock it, aim, and shoot. In all under a second.

No, in places like america, people shoot at police helicopters for no reason. People aren't afraid to shoot at the cops at any given chance so I don't blame them for acting as they do.

There's something that you just don't seem to understand, there is no such thing as control. Unless the other person is dead, you aren't in control. It's delusional to think that there is control.

I meant that Cops should always have their guns out first, and possibly before they get close to the suspect so they have an upper advantage in time. That way the suspect has no quick time to react because the cop has his weapon already out to shoot.

To take something in advantage means to have certain situations in control, and in this case it is that the cop pulled out his gun as a precaution before going to where the suspect is at. It is way better than to shoot the suspect to death because you have gained a situation where you don't need to kill the guy and can take him in.

Cops shouldn't be reckless, but they can be cautious as hell and also have their guns out as a precaution before the suspect notices their presence. It's called tactics, where they must execute a plan to not involve any casualty and only shoot if the suspect is known to be very dangerous and also has a tendency to shoot.

That's unrealistic though, cause now we just go into the next phase of "unrealistic police abuse". People will just complain as they do now that police threw a gun on you. People complain about tazors being pulled out. People just complain about anything and will tailor videos around it.

"Hi! You there! How would you like to be paid to carry a baton, taser, and a GUN around on a daily basis? How would you like to arrest people and toss them in jail? And you;re protected too. Your word is taken far above any mere citizen and you have the blue wall and a powerful union in case you use excessive force."

Think for a moment. What kinds of people would that sales pitch attract? Yep. That's what it's like to be a police officer in America. No exaggeration.

"Hi, You there! How would you like to join in a profession that gets your shot at for no personal reason? How would you like to deal with rapists, thiefs, murderers, gangsters, assaulters, and crooks? A profession where your actions, even nice ones are considered hostile and everyone is looking to stab you in the back. A career in which you live to serve and protect those who treat you with no respect. "

It's no wonder schools don't have as many applicants to become police officers.

Wow,

Theotherjacob makes his case complete and i have to agree with him. +1 from me.



This is just funny and win and truth.

@TheGloriousTachikoma

There is always more than one side.

That still does not justify overreaction or brutality from peace officers. They aren't forced into that job, they choose it. And they have a very great amount of power and responsibility.

I would have to agree with you, to become a policeman means to follow strict rules of the Constitution and it states a police can only use force necessary for legitimate purposes, but also it means that you are risking your life for this job, so nobody is forcing anybody to sign up for this.

Yes I also agree on TheotherJacob that civilians must not be the cause of the police department to use force, so when they comply and follow orders to keep the situation calm then situations wouldn't escalate. However, using a gun means this is your last resort handle the situation, which in cases like what I posted isn't.

I get your point. But if you constantly get shit from the ones youre supposed to protect, I aint wondering about it.

Here is a case from my country.

Punks beat up police officer and they get only fine. Yup Only FINE!

Or the latest case that deals with authority figures,

A student punching a teacher...

Make your guess.

Also

My father told me that in Soviet Union era, he told that for bumping a police officer, you got 15 days in a local jail.

NO QUESTIONS ASKED! No paperwork to be filled.

Police officers should be treated with respect and you should help them if they ask.

But being a constant DICK will get you a punch in the face eventually.

Also in russia, you piss off cops, you get a beating.

It is like I posted, Police are allowed to use force but it has to be the amount necessary for the situation. Cases like civilians beating up the cops or bumping into them is indeed considered a physical threat.

However I have no knowledge as to how the Police system is over at other countries, I know at my homeland in Kosovo, you mess with the cops you either get a beating or thrown in jail including a little bit of torture to make sure such situations doesn't occur again.

I understand what you posted and therefore agree with you, people who comply and don't give Police a hard time will walk out with a sigh of relief rather than a smack in the face.