Possible ideas to bring the economy back?

i was wondering if anybody had any possible ideas to bring this economy back on track to the way it used to be (United States of America) I had a couple of ideas which probably won't happen but it could bounce it right back on track.

1.) Lowering Gas Prices- if you lower gas prices it would be cheaper to transport goods by semi and train for people all over the United States not only for transportation of goods but for all people driving. i believe it would keep people from being nervous and holding back their money just because gas is high. More people would shop, buy vehicles of their choice and spread the money into the economy boosting it back. i haven't thought of the other side of the coin to this just yet but could there be a setback to this?

Decriminalize Marijuana. It's a long stretch, but it'll do America some good. I wouldn't vote to legalize it though. If the government gets their hands on it, there'll be taxations so high on it you even believe it. So for the good of the economy as far as supply and demand, decriminalization of the drug is a must. :3

I was thinking the same thing a while back as well, but i really didn't see the possible setbacks of this. it sounds like a great idea on paper, but so did communism haha

The revenue that would come from taxing marjiuana would be high, but not high enough(IE: The demand for marijuana isn't that much. Maybe about 15% of Americans do drugs if you don't count pharmaueticals, beer/wine, cigarettes as drugs.)

Right now, the American Economy doesn't need taxes however. What America needs, is a Flat-Tax. A 20% tax plan, like that endorsed in the Republican Primary. This would lower the corporate tax rate by 10%. And with a lower-rate, perhaps companies wouldn't want to cheat the system if thaat is indeed what they're doing.

I've proposed outright eliminating taxes altogether, to phase for that eventual reality, 20% taxes means that 80% of your income will remain in your pockets. What revenue is, in our consumer economy is the revenue of the citizen. Washington has collectively forgotten this.

And while Democrats want to outline things as "Rich and poor" "Middle class versus elitists", even the elitists are Americans and thereby citizens of the country. Discriminating either side as anything but the American citizens they are is only counterproductive.

If we can't stop the global operations as it regards this war, we can at the very least bring back the troops from neutral nations such as Japan, Germany, Finland, etc. These bases all over the world cost millions to operate, and they in of themselves are burdens to the taxpayers.

Not only that, but the return of veterans will automatically demand jobs, which will then create them.

In short, a robust economic plan is as followed:

-Restructure taxes so as to significantly lower them for all classes of Americans, eventually we'll do away with them and this will also lower the size of government.

-Spending cuts, loads of spending cuts and I mean at places where it doesn't matter. Military operations where they serve no purpose, departments of government that are seemingly redundant or outright an insult to American national security(TSA, I'm looking at you) In of itself, the TSA has cost the American taxpayers billions.

-Via the return of veterans, as well as the reform of our corporate laws, we artifically jack up the demand in the country for jobs, which will then create them. Rebalancing our trade efforts and bringing back the jobs we lost.

In essence, to tear down everything Bill Clinton bastardized in his term as president, I don't believe in crony capitalism nor do I believe in tearing down our own infrastructure. I'm for Fair Trade, I'm against Free Trade.
I'm for alliances, not entangling alliances.

To restore America, America must restore herself. An end to foreign aid to countries that don't "like us very much".


America was a country that was founded and based on the will of the people, that focused solely on its economic prosperity. If Americans want to see a robust economy, they must vote for it and clamor for it. Not be ignorantly apathetic, as they have been for years. Listening only to their professor who is equally as apathetic :D.

if we need a road map to help the economy this is what is needed:
1.lowering gas prices-stop the collusion that is happening in the middle east,we need a better relationship with venezueala(around 2006-2008 gas there was 25 cents)

people need to spend more money to help GDP-hoplefully on american made products but not having to depend totally on china as their economy is dependent on ours as consumer spending is about 60-70% of

and yes legalize mariguana-venue for tax revenue and help the fight against the drug war and it means less people in prison for MJ

now the political side we need to act like grown people and to help the economy forget about the GOP or Dem and we need more accountability from the people that represent us(i sent an email once to a senator,i get a reply 5 MONTHS later)

somehow we need to make food cheaper and wages go up a bit i say this because in GA where i live most people make an average of $8 an hour but then a jar of jelly bean costs $16 its pointless and i think my time is worth more than a jar of jelly beans

and i wouldn't think derivatives are nesseccary

we need a national recycling program cause i feel sad at all i the empty containers i have to throw in the garbage at work

Yeah good point lol!

This was a common discussion in my various high school English, History, and Economics classes and that was the conclusion we came to as well. and while the revenue from marijuana wouldn't be high it would generate at least some funds and couple it with smarter gov't spending(the army spends roughly $500 per toilet seat...) it could help

Lol! The first sentence was funny xD

$500 a toilet seat!?? what are they out of their minds?? are these toilet seats indestructable or something? haha

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After this particular post, I'm going to leave this thread alone. People can respond if they'd like, I don't plan on responding to responses.

The economy...isn't a simple issue, by any means or stretch of the imagination. there is not going to be one 'fix all' solution, like, "Decriminalize marijuana and tax it."

Yes, that's one idea that can stimulate the economy a bit, but to be honest, the amount of tax revenue would be about as much as cigarettes, probably less, because there's a social stigma against using marijuana, and private workplaces will still be able to maintain a no drug tolerance policy if they'd like.

Similarly you could legalize, regulate, and tax prostitution services. It would provide for a much safer work environment for women and men who have been down on their luck in their lives and are forced to go to desperate measures in order to make money.

Though, there's the social stigma still against purchasing a prostitutes' services.

Now before somebody says that "escorts" are still technically legal, there's a reason for that. Their primary purpose is in fact not sex, but companionship.

The difference here is that "escorts" tend to be well educated, or at the very least well spoken, and when brought to a party or something, they're the ones that are used by businessmen and congressmen to impress their friends. They "Guarantee that promotion." so to speak.

Escorts tend to be well endowed women who graduated college and can't find a job in the private or public markets, so they go, "Hey, I'm well educated, I can impress people, and I've got a nice rack. So I'll be some dude's arm candy for 20,000 dollars an hour." Yes, you CAN have sex with them, but since it's not their primary purpose, they get to scoot past the law as far as prostitution goes. If the Escort themselves decide to set up the time to have sex, this is legally prostitution, but they'll be considered as working independent from their agency, hence the agency is still able to maintain plausible deniability.

So those are some decent ideas to help stimulate the economy, but they on their own won't do as much as some people seem to think.

So there ARE also some bad ideas going around SD that I just want to mention now.

1. Eliminate the minimum wage. This won't stimulate the economy, it will just cause people to be paid jack shit for money for the most part and the only people who will make any money are the 'go getters' who decide to make their own companies. The workers will make much less, and they'll still be taxed anyhow, so the housing market will be destroyed as everyone is forced to live with their parents or in communes with many other people to attempt to be able to afford a roof over their heads, let alone food. Eliminating the minimum wage will essentially force many many more people to be on welfare.

2. Eliminate taxes.

This won't stimulate the economy, since much of the economy comes from government spending in the public sector to create jobs, and getting rid of taxes prevents them from making the money to do so. They could print whatever they need from the Fed, but that will severely destroy the worth of the dollar.

3. Keep stocks from being able to be worth a certain amount.

This will prevent any new companies from being made, as startup capital won't be given to them by investors, because there's little to no payback and profit to be made from investing when stocks can't grow.

In general, the SD area of Fakku are not the most well educated individuals, and their ideas for bringing back the economy majoritively are idealistic more than practical. Personally I don't think we're gonna cover any real ground here as to how we repair the economy, I'm just going to trust that the guys in government who went to Harvard or Yale or other ivy league schools are better educated as to the situation, are privy to information that we might not be, and have the best ideas we could ever think of.

You mean like it's destroyed already? Not even among liberal news and talking points, is anyone talking about the housing market. The minimum wage sets a bare-low for workers, and corporations are more than eager to say "Okay, we'll pay you X(IE: The lowest amount possible), the elimination of the minimum wage would force these corporations to value their workers accordingly, for better or for worse.

The minimum wage doesn't protect workers, it protects corporations. They can abide by the minimum wage and thereby devalue the worker class. It's basically a page out of Alinsky, Marx, etc. It doesn't work and it will never work.

Ask people who are being paid at the bottom of the barrel if they would like open competition, or a regulated pay? I'm for open competition, I'm for making corporations value their workers and telling them it's legally okay to treat workers like scrap heap is NOT my idea of economics.

The Housing Market will recover when the economy is flowing in the Private Sector again. More on that thing called the Private Sector below.




We continued this discussion in the NDAA thread, but I pointed out that once upon a time A: Congress printed it's own national currency, B: It wasn't filled with Debt. and C: We could thereby reduce, if not eliminate taxes.

Oh, and on the value of the dollar? It's already plummeting:

http://www.rpmex.com/value-of-the-dollar.html

What I'm suggesting, is little more than what Lincoln, Kennedy, Madison and Jefferson tried to do. Hell, even Hitler did it in Germany(which was the reason for the German Economic Miracle).

The most radical leaders in world history, had broken free from the System. I've referenced you to countless links about the Bank Struggle. If you want, if you need a youtube video, here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFD07R3-YQE






You know, that last part REALLY summed up what you think. "They're the goberment, they're awesome. We should just trust them." Who do you think got us here in the first place? The American Taxpayer?

Other than your absurd notion that we should just trust the government on good faith, not unlike that of a religious person who believes in his unseen God, I'll go ahead and defend my proposition:

I did not suggest banning stocks, I did not take away the start-up capital and value that they would bring. I lowered them. On the account that, while you should be able to acquire start-up capital, the stocks should not and cannot replace the capital from workers.

By empathizing that stocks aren't that much more worth than the workers who make the company succeed in the first place, I restore the value to the Private Sector.

It is the Private Sector that creates real jobs, with real economic growth. Public Sector jobs are mostly temporary and low paying. The Government cannot sufficiently pay itself and in fact, throughout world history this has always been the case.

The solution then, is for less government intake. To create a fiscally sound government, will require a strong private sector, with the government being a support system, a regulator. A self-efficient government is the government of the future.

The future American Economy will be one where monies is concentrated strictly in the hands of the American People.

In order to bank in this country, in the future, bankers will have to treat their costumers like fellow human beings and not a dollar sign.

Lower taxes, lower spending, the outright elimination of debt. Where the people are empowered to govern this country, raise it like their child and together with prosperity.

This is the future I intend to see to the end, the future of crony economics is going to wipe everything we've worked for off the map. I fear crony economics more than Al-Qaeda, terrorists or Iran.

Whether the drilling occurs in the US or the Middle East, gas is a global commodity. A lot of people believe that if the US starts drilling wherever there's oil, gas will be cheaper, but that isn't necessarily the truth. It's true that, if the supply is greater, it will be cheaper, but that's only true if the global economy allows it.

The second that oil comes out of the ground, it becomes a part of the global market.

In the Republican primaries, Newt Gingrich created an entire campaign strategy based upon the fact that, as president, he would reduce the price of gas. At the time, the price of gas was high, but anyone with any modicum of intelligence knew that, like always, he was full of shit. The only way you can lower gas prices in the current world market is to sell it for less than you buy it.

I'm going to probably garner quite a bit of hate from this post, but hear me out.

There really isn't a clear cut reason for the current drop in the economy. Everyone is pointing fingers in every direction, pointing at the politicians, the government, the rich(aka the 1%) as well as the war, military, and whatever excuse they can come up with.

One thing is quite certain though, the economy is garbage. People forced to work low-end jobs that they're over qualified for due to the competitive market for jobs. If you listened to the presidential debates few months back, you could obviously tell how much bullock that both candidates were spewing(With Romney spewing more) with no real conclusion or solution to it.

Their solution was this: Train the workers better.

It's not a solution since training workers doesn't actually increase jobs. the main issue is the lack of jobs. They say the taxes that are crushing "small" business is the reason there aren't enough jobs. People seems to have forgotten what's been happening to their everyday lives that they didn't notice that the jobs no one wants have been getting exported to foreign countries. Foreign countries where they can pay the workers close to nothing, work them to the ground and get high profits off of it.

Sure, I said "jobs no one wants" but that's where all the jobs are going to. Go look outside and see all the lawn companies out there. It's majority hispanics. Why? Because they work their ass off and you can pay them like crap and no need to worry about insurance or benefits for them since you pay them under the table.

This is the reason for the unemployment rate being so high. You can't really blame the corporations for doing so. its a win/win situation for them. Pay less and they get more.

but I digress. This isn't the real reason why the economy is in such a stump. The real reason is the 1%. But it's not REALLY the 1% doing this. They're just doing what they've always been doing. Make money. Sure, they keep getting richer and richer while the others are getting more and more poor as the dollar keeps losing value, but are they the root? I think not.

The real reason is debt.
These days, you can't even live without accumulating some kind of debt, whether it'd be a house, car or school. It's impossible(Unless you're loaded).
Where does debt come from? Well it comes from borrowing money that you don't have from a bank.
Where does the bank get its money from? The government. But the government isn't the one who owns the money or the gold the dollar is supposed to be a promissory note of. The Federal Reserve owns that. So when the banks need money, they ask the Federal Reserve. Of course you all know that the federal reserve is privately owned. Why does a privately owned company control our currency? Hell, why are they allowed to just MAKE money when they probably don't actually have the said gold which the dollar is supposed to represent?

So here we are. We use piece of paper that some company just made and we use it as currency. As a medium of trade to attain material/services you desire/require. the dollar is literally just a piece of paper, like monopoly money. It means nothing.

tl;dr: Do you want to know why we're in such a crappy economy? There's a lot of reasons.
1) Businesses exporting jobs to foreign countries
2) Inflation due to rising demand
3) Debt and our currency system

Sure there are other things that attribute to our economy, but it's just part of a pyramid. With the federal reserve being at the top.

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On this topic. How do we bounce back?
There's a lot we can do. Fix our tax system. It's flawed and it doesn't work. There are way too many things that went wrong. Politicians being bribed by the rich. Hell, the politicians themselves are rich and want to become richer. There's a reason OccupyWallstreet is occurring. It's because people finally noticed that the term "for the people, by the people" suddenly became "Fool the people, Buy the people"

Apply a large tax for exporting business and work to foreign countries. Those workers over there don't pay tax, so why not tax the companies more to compensate it? Besides, I'm getting tired of calling comcast to troubleshoot and I end up getting some indian guy whose accent is so heavy I can't even understand what they're saying.

Cut this shit out with foreign affairs. Why is the US just going into other countries and trying to change them? Oh wait, money obviously. This needs to stop. It's not because of 9/11, its not because of saddam hussein or osama. It's for money. Liquid Gold. Yes, Oil. It's not some righteous act that we're in the middle east. It's for the oil business. Why do our taxes go to paying for a war? A war that most people probably don't understand why it's a war when it's a one-sided massacre?

In conclusion: The US is just really fucked up, and our forefathers would be extremely disappointed. Considering they went to America to get away from the central bank and we just end up being ruled by them AGAIN.

It's pretty hilarious how bad all of these ideas are.

No, I don't have any of my own "ideas to bring back the economy", but the ones most users in this thread are proposing are laughable and quite easily proven faulty both in theory and recorded practice.

File wrongful death charges on Obama for the deaths of that ambassador, and remove him from office.

Here is what I see as someone abroad.(still most likely wrong since I don't have the data or the expertise, but oh well)
Drug war honestly seems like a money sink. In the end it's a personal issue what people decide to put in their bodies, punishing non violent offenders is idiotic if not immoral.(one of the few subject I agree with libertarians)
Higher taxes for top income brackets always bring revenue, and from what I heard it's record low now.(but the increased revenue to be used in domestic spending)
Lowering military spending always an option, especialy when you're outspending EVERYONE on the planet.
On state level I saw research parers on the money spent on death penalty, if not for moral reasons this abominable act needs to stop for fiscal ones.
[kinda biased inc]
Strengthen Unions through legilation, not RTW bullshit. Without a strong working class there will never be a health economy.(but corperations have politicians in their pockets and will never have to worry about this)

Drug liberalization is irrelevant in the bigger picture, albeit ceasing at least one of the wars (on drugs, which is in essence on black & Hispanic) can't hurt.

The rest however? Pure libertarian madness. It'd only exacerbate the problems, not solve them.

Wealth doesn't trickle down, the super rich aren't the engines of our economy as they neither consume or invest (except speculatively) and when they do it takes capital out of the country.

And for the millionth time: a budget deficit and national debt don't work like that. Anyone who thinks that all debts payed off would be a good thing doesn't understand how our modern, fiat based monetary system fractional reserve banking works.

Well happy holidays Flaser. I haven't seen you in awhile.

I'm glad at least someone is on my side as to the ludicrous ideas that are being put forth by the loudest speakers of the Serious Discussion forum.