Protecting_Children_from_Internet_Pornographers_Act_of_2011
0
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protecting_Children_from_Internet_Pornographers_Act_of_2011
Oh hey guys. Say goodbye to your privacy on the internet. With Child Pornography as an excuse, the American government wants to monitor ALL internet usage by EVERYONE to search for child pornography.
On one side of the issue, we're probably all in trouble because those dried up, old bogans believe anime is 2d child porn.
On the other side of the issue.. What about privacy..?
Does our government have nothing better to do? This, combined with SOPA, PIPA, and the NDAA, really makes me think there is an agenda to control the internet...
Oh hey guys. Say goodbye to your privacy on the internet. With Child Pornography as an excuse, the American government wants to monitor ALL internet usage by EVERYONE to search for child pornography.
On one side of the issue, we're probably all in trouble because those dried up, old bogans believe anime is 2d child porn.
On the other side of the issue.. What about privacy..?
Does our government have nothing better to do? This, combined with SOPA, PIPA, and the NDAA, really makes me think there is an agenda to control the internet...
0
Like SOPA and PIPA, the PCFIPA has noble intentions, but the repercussions and broad spectrum of consequences and implications are numerous enough to make the bill implausible.
It's not that I think the government is necessarily trying to control the internet, they're just playing hit-and-miss on the possible solutions to these issues until they can find one that works for everybody without taking away our personal freedoms. As is, I can guarantee this won't pass.
It's not that I think the government is necessarily trying to control the internet, they're just playing hit-and-miss on the possible solutions to these issues until they can find one that works for everybody without taking away our personal freedoms. As is, I can guarantee this won't pass.
0
Can't believe that anyone can look at (non-loli) hentai and deem it "child porn." That kinda freaks me out.
0
drfeathers wrote...
Can't believe that anyone can look at (non-loli) hentai and deem it "child porn." That kinda freaks me out.Go to the "schoolgirl" section and think again.
0
Lishy1 wrote...
Does our government have nothing better to do? This, combined with SOPA, PIPA, and the NDAA, really makes me think there is an agenda to control the internet...No, they really don't have anything better to do. And I wouldn't be surprised if control of the internet wasn't on someones to-do-list in government.
0
littleRED wrote...
drfeathers wrote...
Can't believe that anyone can look at (non-loli) hentai and deem it "child porn." That kinda freaks me out.Go to the "schoolgirl" section and think again.
Oh, I believe you, it just astounds me.
0
EZ-2789 wrote...
Like SOPA and PIPA, the PCFIPA has noble intentions, but the repercussions and broad spectrum of consequences and implications are numerous enough to make the bill implausible.It's not that I think the government is necessarily trying to control the internet, they're just playing hit-and-miss on the possible solutions to these issues until they can find one that works for everybody without taking away our personal freedoms. As is, I can guarantee this won't pass.
But i do think they are trying to take over the net. To have everything we do logged for 18 months with address, bank account info, and credit card info seems a bit too far on the big brother spectrum for me. This is just a blatant invasion of privacy on the level if not over the level of the "patriot act". I'm just wondering how much the MPAA is going to give the government to have a "view" of this information if not just to have full access. Need I go on about all the potential security hazards in this, if someone were to get this info it would be identity theft on a massive scale. Far larger then the Nigerian prince that needs you to send him money.
Now onto the issue of will 2D be considered CP. I think no, but there will need to be something in the legislation to clarify it. If not then this would bring up the problem that we all fear. It's not really hentai in general because most characters are in high school and under 18 but would loli (never cared for it personally) be "extreme" enough to be considered CP.
I'm going to see what unfolds, and raise some awareness on this bill. I do find it funny that once again Lamar DERP Smith (R) Texas (SOPA guy), introduced a bill that will cause more harm then good and letting "good intentions" run rampant and destroy the internet... again...
0
I have lost every aspect of anything remotely related to respect for this country. We talk a big game but all out government wants is to deny us the right to privacy and wage the only war we can never win. If any of these acts pass, there's really no way to enforce them. By reviewing internet usage they will have presentable evidence that majority of the american population downloads or streams illegally.
To take action against that many people would not only cripple our economy, we would have to demolish existing structures to make room for the hundreds of prisons to be built that would hold these people should legal action be taken. If we tried to pass SOPA/PIPA and shut down sites that hosted or streamed anything copyrighted, companies would simply say "You know what, fuck you. I think China is nice this time of year."
Not to mention that if you shut down a site without taking down the manual servers, they can have it back up on a different ISP in minutes. The laws put forth by these bills are unenforceable. In the end we would have spent billions to fix a problem that was impossible to fix in the first place. Though, that's just how I see it, maybe we will just demolish half of our country and lock away our entire middle to lower class.
To take action against that many people would not only cripple our economy, we would have to demolish existing structures to make room for the hundreds of prisons to be built that would hold these people should legal action be taken. If we tried to pass SOPA/PIPA and shut down sites that hosted or streamed anything copyrighted, companies would simply say "You know what, fuck you. I think China is nice this time of year."
Not to mention that if you shut down a site without taking down the manual servers, they can have it back up on a different ISP in minutes. The laws put forth by these bills are unenforceable. In the end we would have spent billions to fix a problem that was impossible to fix in the first place. Though, that's just how I see it, maybe we will just demolish half of our country and lock away our entire middle to lower class.
0
Taro Tanaka wrote...
I have lost every aspect of anything remotely related to respect for this country. We talk a big game but all out government wants is to deny us the right to privacy and wage the only war we can never win. If any of these acts pass, there's really no way to enforce them. By reviewing internet usage they will have presentable evidence that majority of the american population downloads or streams illegally.To take action against that many people would not only cripple our economy, we would have to demolish existing structures to make room for the hundreds of prisons to be built that would hold these people should legal action be taken. If we tried to pass SOPA/PIPA and shut down sites that hosted or streamed anything copyrighted, companies would simply say "You know what, fuck you. I think China is nice this time of year."
Not to mention that if you shut down a site without taking down the manual servers, they can have it back up on a different ISP in minutes. The laws put forth by these bills are unenforceable. In the end we would have spent billions to fix a problem that was impossible to fix in the first place. Though, that's just how I see it, maybe we will just demolish half of our country and lock away our entire middle to lower class.
This hasn't stopped them from trying. A young man in Britain was extradited under current rules for linking to a site that had illegally pirated items on it. He is currently being held on trial for piracy even though he had nothing directly to do with it.
The government isn't going to aim at everyone. All they need to do is get a few folks and put them on trial, using them as scapegoats so they can have a media blitz and parade themselves off as heroes protecting America from all the bad men and women out there who would harm their freedoms. As long as they get the cheers from the populace, the fact that they are removing those exact same freedoms is irrelevant. The ends justify the means.
0
[font=verdana][color=green]Trust the American Government to get to the hearts of the american citizens by protecting their kids, eh?
In all honesty, not talking about SOPA/PIPA for a moment, the very idea that they wish to protect the children is in itself a "bad" thing. Not the sentiments, but the connotations behind it. I've said it before and I'll say it again; it is up to the parents to protect their own children. The parents alone have to decide what their child can or cannot do on the internet, and they can do this by parental restrictions. I don't see why that isn't adequate.
OH WAIT.
Hang on. What's this? Oh yes. The back-door approach to enable SOPA/PIPA. That's all it is, as many of you have said above. Except of protecting the copyright holders interests, who are often seen as wealthy enough and the few, they now protect the families rights, who are often seen as the vulnerable and the many. Brilliant move, government.
If they happen to catch a pedophile, fantastic. But... I'm pretty sure they wouldn't be adverse to protecting a copyright or censor some site if they so wish. Nothing we could do to stop them either.
In all honesty, not talking about SOPA/PIPA for a moment, the very idea that they wish to protect the children is in itself a "bad" thing. Not the sentiments, but the connotations behind it. I've said it before and I'll say it again; it is up to the parents to protect their own children. The parents alone have to decide what their child can or cannot do on the internet, and they can do this by parental restrictions. I don't see why that isn't adequate.
OH WAIT.
Hang on. What's this? Oh yes. The back-door approach to enable SOPA/PIPA. That's all it is, as many of you have said above. Except of protecting the copyright holders interests, who are often seen as wealthy enough and the few, they now protect the families rights, who are often seen as the vulnerable and the many. Brilliant move, government.
If they happen to catch a pedophile, fantastic. But... I'm pretty sure they wouldn't be adverse to protecting a copyright or censor some site if they so wish. Nothing we could do to stop them either.
0
jesternario wrote...
Spoiler:
While that is true, it still doesn't justify anything. It's a blatant disregard for our human rights. I'll never agree with it and anyone who does is ignorant. They do say that ignorance is bliss though. They also say that a terrorist organization is something that scares you and makes you change your behavior. If that's true then what is the United States Government?
0
Taro Tanaka wrote...
While that is true, it still doesn't justify anything. It's a blatant disregard for our human rights. I'll never agree with it and anyone who does is ignorant. They do say that ignorance is bliss though. They also say that a terrorist organization is something that scares you and makes you change your behavior. If that's true then what is the United States Government?
You know the worst part? Anyone who speaks up on this one will most likely immediately be placed on the watch for a potential child molester.
0
I have a request for the folks running FAKKU. If this law is passed, I would like you to simply close up shop and be done with it. Most of us are probably going to be arrested for downloading dohjin from Megaupload. Being accused of promoting child pornography is worse.
0
guy patterson wrote...
EZ-2789 wrote...
Like SOPA and PIPA, the PCFIPA has noble intentions, but the repercussions and broad spectrum of consequences and implications are numerous enough to make the bill implausible.It's not that I think the government is necessarily trying to control the internet, they're just playing hit-and-miss on the possible solutions to these issues until they can find one that works for everybody without taking away our personal freedoms. As is, I can guarantee this won't pass.
But i do think they are trying to take over the net. To have everything we do logged for 18 months with address, bank account info, and credit card info seems a bit too far on the big brother spectrum for me. This is just a blatant invasion of privacy on the level if not over the level of the "patriot act". I'm just wondering how much the MPAA is going to give the government to have a "view" of this information if not just to have full access. Need I go on about all the potential security hazards in this, if someone were to get this info it would be identity theft on a massive scale. Far larger then the Nigerian prince that needs you to send him money.
I'm not trying to say that there are no grave consequences of the bill. What I'm saying is that the people who drafted the bill simply came up with an idea to combat the issue at hand. It's definitely not the best idea, so there's a complete guarantee that it WON'T be passed. But that's not the point of drafting the bill in the first place. The purpose of putting a weak bill to the vote is because it's a starting point. With this, they'll find out the weakest parts of the bill (ie., the parts that the general populace shows the least support for), rewrite them so that the bill takes these objections into account, and put it through another vote to see what else might need to be done in order to improve it (if it doesn't get passed again).
The least I can say is that I commend them for taking a direct approach towards better legislation in regards to CP, but they still have a ways to go before finding the optimal solution. For all we know, the next time they try to push another CP bill, it'll look completely different (and hopefully not as infringing).
Spoiler:
0
Why would they bother going to an ISP to find pedophiles, they could save themselves some time and just pop down to the local catholic church.
0
Lishy1 wrote...
Why would they bother going to an ISP to find pedophiles, they could save themselves some time and just pop down to the local catholic church.I'm assuming that was meant as a joke. In which case, I lol'd.
