Protesting Soldiers Funeral

This is fucked up, I mean its one thing to pretest the war and a whole other thing entirely to protest a funeral. Your not just abusing your rights your hurting the loved ones of the deceased.

Sorry if I there is already a thread for this.

Protest against soldiers funeral??? what madness is that?

I mean how heartless are these people to protests a person funeral? No matter who the person is, thats disrespectful... If someone did that to a mangaka for drawing hentai.....

They should be taken out the back and shot for that.

I hate people.
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These guys are disgusting.
However they *DO* have the right to protest.

...so shut up, and man up and ignore them.

What I find even more disgusting is Fox News harping on the ACLU which is one of the most democratic and selfless organization in the USA. (Unlike say, "Freedom House"). I say this *because* they're trying to protect the rights of these dingbats.

Freedom of expression, when practiced within the limits of law - registering your protest with the police, respecting the limitations they give you (time, place where you can demonstrate) - then there should be *nothing* that you should be able to do to prevent them from demonstrating.

What *can* you do? Demonstrate and speak out yourself. Express how outraged and sick you are of these people... or better yet, go rally yourself when they try to bomb a funeral and demonstrate for the funeral goers.

Quietly and with solemnity, without turning it into a war propaganda, but never the less there and showing support for the relatives. You *could* do all of these without troding on basic civil liberties...

...but that's a lot harder and takes *actual effort*. These "armchair moralist" find it a lot easier to grant more unwarranted power to their "leaders". What really bugs them is that someone spoke out against authority, or that someone goes against their norms...

...not how the relatives of the soldiers feel.

They want their beliefs reaffirmed and are too lazy (or ignorant) to actually fight for them themselves through the channels provided by democracy.

Soldiers are the mainly the Heroes of our country. Giving Them A Proper funeral is a must since they died in the name of our country that they trying to protect

Soldiers die so that their countrymen may enjoy freedom.

Its their right to protest. Making these people shut up would make a soldier's death meaningless.

I know the name of the mofos protesting at the funerals. Its the West Boros Baptist Church. What they are doing/did makes me sick to my stomach. Its unforgivable and immoral.

If these idiots actually believe the bullshit that they are claiming, why cause additional grief to the family of the dead soldiers. They should do this in front of the white house or pentagon.

What I find to be unfair is the case of one father who has to pay the church's legal fees because of these unwanted protesters.

Is there really no limit to the freedom of speech? Honestly im not that familiar with these, but if there isnt so you mean KKK people can do what these people are doing and just say what they want in public or in front of an african american church and say something like you will all go to hell?

Anyway, if the law dictates it is allowed and it was followed to the letter, then I guess that is that.

I'm not saying its not they're right to protest. I'm not trying to say they shouldn't use their rights, or don't deserve them. I'm only stating how sick they must be to go to someones funeral and protest it.

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Umm wtf is wrong with these people..... I mean do they know how the families of the dead soldiers feel like when they lose someone dear to them? Do they wtf it feels like to never see your loved one because they were sent to fight there sometimes possibly against their own will? WTF is this BS... I get the whole freedom crap in America but there should be some kind of fucking limit within people's mind on what to protest and what not to protest on. I mean for Christ Sakes you believe in God but won't let the dead rest in peace? WTF! Why don't you fuckers go TO HELL!

In the past, the soldiers who went to war, were the same soldiers who went to war to defend our rights. So to restrict
(not deny) the right of protesting, would be inept.

Now before I am raged at, I 100% do not condone their actions.

Now then, although they do have to protest, they are disturbing the peace. In the video it was stated that they were not disturbing the peace, because they were protesting in silence, however, that is not necessarily true. They are disrupting a ceremonial event at the expense of others sorrow and grief, and therefore should be classified as disturbing the peace.

Although regarding the situation at hand, I believe this is where utilitarianism comes in hand, as to maintain a balance between the rights of everyone, by producing the greatest good, for the greatest number of people.

Actually I don't think their protest fell under "disturbance of peace".
They followed the regulation - they were 150 meter away from the event, they were not loud. If you take any more action against them, then their freedom will be more restricted than that of the mourners.

Freedom in a democratic society can only extend until it doesn't restrict the freedom of someone else. Ergo it's limited by definition. This definition is dependent on cultural standards and consensus, but never the less it's there. In a equal society it can't be left to "customs" to decide when one crosses these lines. Laws are made precisely so they put the same restrictions and rights on everybody.

So yes, it's painful, but if you're for lawful democracy you have to tolerate protests like these. You don't have to like it, just put up with it.

I'm not saying I agree with it, but in their defense, they're openly expressing what they believe. Protesting funerals for soldiers might not sit right with people, but unless they actively interfere with those funerals, we don't have sufficient grounds to do anything in retaliation.

For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction. Although there are times when I want to, I know I can't flay those assholes alive because if I did, my actions would be disproportionate to theirs and, in turn, I'd have to suffer. Frankly, I don't believe those douche bags are worth any more of my time than what they waste, no matter how fucked up they may be.

These idiots are the same as the ones who screamed 'baby killer' at the drafted soliers returning from viet nam. as though it was their idea or fault that there was a war in the first place. it's the same as someone saying you can't support the troops and be against the war at the same time. to me the greatest way to support the troops is to be against all war.

this in particular I have issues with...

Fucking Westboro church. At least they'll most likely die out in a generation. Though I would be a happy man to see the whole family killed.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7735501683185935638#

Honestly just try to watch this entire thing without cringing. The head of the church seems mentally ill.

Unfortunately, this is the downside of freedom. People can pull shit like this. Regardless of what they were saying, they were within the law. I find it amusing that even /b/ hates Westboro.

This is incredibly disrespectful. Protesting a war is fine, but to protest against dead soldiers is just pathetic.