Scientific Experiments (that will kill us all)

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well I cant prove anything. I can only say what I think makes it a higher or lower propability to be true. I myself have for varius reasons becomed convinced that science is something that has a higher propability to be true than other things, and therefore you could say that I trust scientists. I dont believe that my teachers or the scientist at cern are lying that to say the organisation, wich consists of scientists from all over the world. Moreover I think that they dont dissagree much of what has been writen on their webpages safety section, as they in a more scientific manner would write that as well (they should not be that bad with scientists from all over the world).

Im a little suprised that you claim that its not a conspiracy, as what they write on their homepage says that this is something that in short there is no risk even if a stable black hole would be created, and even if it had no electrical charge. they claim that they are aware of the theories yet they are saying this, and were talking about very many scientist.

And yes one more thing, I suddenly realized (stupid me) that just because a star becomes more dense when it collapse into a black hole is no reason for the gravitational force to become stronger. There is no mass that is added to it. So it will be pretty hard for the microscopic black hole to intergrate with other particles at all as gravity is such a ridiculusy smal force. and if it did suck upp a particle it will get a charge (free neutrons are rare, you cant normaly find them) and through that become harmless. I gues it would just start acting as a proton/electron if it were one of them it sucked upp.

I dont think I have much more to ad. I think a big difference between us is what sources we trust (I trust cern you do not), wich makes me wonder what requirement you have on a source to be able to judge it as realible?

You know what, fuck it, Im done trying to explain what Im saying to you, You obviously don't understand what I'm telling you, and you sure as hell are not trying. And for fucks sakes stop making assumptions, I trust cern to a certain degree, as opposed to your Blind trust. When you manage to re-acclimate to a non-methane based environment, I'll be willing to have an actual discussion. Good day.

This.

Also, the big-fucking-bang.

I could say the same about you.
Noone can say anything about the world without making asumptions as I explained earlier, wich asumptions are you thinking of? I dont have a blind trust to cern as far as I know, what makes you think that?

Also I got the feeling that Ive missed something when it comes to black holes, I mean when you look at a star you see that light is constantly emitting from it, wich means that it constantly loses mass according to speciall relativity. whats keeping it from collapsing is then the chemical reactions that are happening inside it because of the pressure. This means that the star has a higher gravitational force than it has when it becomes a blak hole. what would make so that nothing can escape from a black hole? I guess it got something to do with the black holes high density. Maybe it will be clear after Ive read general relaivity?

But its you who are not answering my questions, untill then I dont think this will lead to anything more. fuck it :P

@teoritikern: about the black hole stuff...yep, it'll clear up when you learn gr. But to put it in simple terms, even if a black hole has the same mass as a star, it has a much higher mass density and hence bends the spacetime more than that star. That's why nothing can escape from black hole, the bending of spacetime inside its event horizon is so great that the escape velocity needed to travel out of it exceeds c.

edit: btw, remember that black hole is the product of a collapsing star, that is, star which no chemical reactions happening inside to keep the outwards pressure. Without the pressure, the gravity will cause it to contract on itself. And if the gravitational force is larger than the repulsion provided by Pauli's EP, voila! A black hole.

Yes but the gravitationall force shouldnt get higher, at the same distance from the core, according to gaus law and that the mass havent increased.
As you may understand my point earlier was that the black hole created by 2 particles that is smashing into eachother and thus make enough density, would not be together for a long time as the gravitational force is so weak.

Thank you :)

You must note however that "nothing can escape" thingy for black hole is only for anything inside its event horizon, which depends on the mass(and so, size) of the black hole itself. The event horizon is incredibly small anyway. Take earth. For a body of earth mass to be a black hole, the mass needs to be compressed to a 9mm radius of space. For anything outside that radius, the gravitational force exerted by a black hole to any body is just as we know it. So yeah, as long as the mass doesn't change, the gravitational force also doesn't change, as you say.

Well, at least it's obvious that the event horizon of black holes created by particle collisions will be too small that it won't be able to suck anything before it disintegrates.

As long as there are no Resonance Cascades...~

I say Nanotechnology. I-Pods will be so small that they just go in ur brain, and it plays music beautifully into your brain. Thing is, you can already play music in your head by remembering certain songs you like. So people who think a I-Pod Insert Into Your Brain is a great idea, will get one, and then all it takes is for someone to turn up the volume so loud your head pops.

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I'm decently sure that even if we achieve Time Travel, us common folk will never hear about it, and the scientists they send back will be too pussy to do anything. In my opinion Time is a river, where even if you get out and walk backwards along the shore for a bit before you hop back in, nothing you do is gonna make the stream branch off into channels that aren't there.

So you mean that the event horizon is at the surface of a black hole?

Nano Bots... The Fabricator? Really? REALLY? It's going to be made out of diamonds and fuckin' fear.

@teoritikern: lol, both yes and no. Theoretically a black hole is a singularity so it's surface is most certainly not as we know it. Plus from gr we know that for an observer going through the event horizon, it is nothing special at all, just another point in spacetime. It's just a point(or maybe a boundary, albeit imaginary) past which the escape velocity exceeds c. Since it doesn't have the properties of surface as we know it, I don't think it's a surface...

But then again, the surface area of the horizon can be thought as the surface of a black hole too. At least, the entropy of a black hole is given by the surface area of the horizon...

Recreating big bang? Are you nuts!?

i really think you should study before commenting on the theoretical could or could-nots. that and scientific papers are not that easy to comprehend, people wouldnt really go: "i read this and this, *poof*, I GET IT!" especially with what you have been saying till now.

Im going to use an expression my teacher told me today:
Bullshit! Im a physysist (no offence its just a funny thing to say lol)
This isnt that hard to understand read my other posts and youl get it.
To sum it upp a black hole simply is a body of extremly high density,
gravity is a ridiculusy weak force
Mass decides the strength of the force
the mass does not increase wich means that the a black hole that is made of two particles will fall apart almost imidiatly and because the force is so ridiculusy weak it will be very hard for it to interact with other particles.
Actualy when physisists are solving particle related problems they dont have to take the gravitational force into the equations at all to get an answer with good accuracy.

@teoritikern: lol, still complicated. you need to make it simpler~

In short, black holes decay. The smaller its mass, the faster it decays. So all the black holes produced in colliders won't remain long enough to suck anything, and so they can't grow bigger and become a threat.

More details can be found here. Full of physics term btw.

So yeah, stop this "omg LHC will destroy us with black holes" thingy...

Nanotechnology... They're still machines... EMP!!!!
Sjees...
Time travel would only fuck us over, and it could be reversed through sending several men into the past to kill the fckers who reproduced into those sons of a back travelling btches.

I find all others sound strange to, dark matter sounds abit far fetched and the quantum zeno effect sounds WAAAAAAY to far fetched.
If any of these, either we all die from nano technology before we can react or some stupid shit head reproduces the big bang and continues to give himself nice black hair. And face. And lab coat. And earth.



THANK YOU. xD