Serious Moe Discussion.
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Now before people start to ream me or anything of the sort let me make this clear:
THIS IS A SERIOUS QUESTION AND I WANT SERIOUS ANSWERS!!!!!!!!
The question up for discussion is What exactly is Moe?
I have a pretty good idea of moe myself (So dont let me see "You're Noob Comments"), but one of my female friends (who I am secretly moe training) wants to know exactly what moe is. I couldn't really tell her so I am seeking help, so i can sit her down and have a full 2-3 hour long discussion on why she is moe and how her glasses look better than her contacts. lol
THIS IS A SERIOUS QUESTION AND I WANT SERIOUS ANSWERS!!!!!!!!
The question up for discussion is What exactly is Moe?
I have a pretty good idea of moe myself (So dont let me see "You're Noob Comments"), but one of my female friends (who I am secretly moe training) wants to know exactly what moe is. I couldn't really tell her so I am seeking help, so i can sit her down and have a full 2-3 hour long discussion on why she is moe and how her glasses look better than her contacts. lol
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Moe (èŒãˆ, /mo.e/, pronounced "mo-eh" literally "budding", as with a plant) is a Japanese slang word originally referring to fetish or love for characters in video games or anime and manga.
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ya really asked but too lazy to sum it up so google and wikipedia are your best friends ^^
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moe_(slang)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moe_(slang)
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Kewlbeanz People... Imma use that animated photo when I talk to her, and continue her training lol. I sure did forget about google or wiki though, they are usually my best friends , maybe its the college algebra homework???
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Moe (èŒãˆ?, /mo.e/, pronounced "mo-eh" literally "budding", as with a plant) is a Japanese slang word originally referring to fetish or love for characters in video games or anime and manga. For example, 眼é¡ã£å¨˜èŒãˆ, meganekko-moe, "glasses-girl moe", describes a person who is attracted to fictional characters with eyeglasses. "Moe!" is also used within anime fandom as an interjection referring to a character the speaker considers to be a moekko. It is even used in some anime, such as Ouran High School Host Club, Lucky Star, Kaichou-wa Maid-sama!, K-ON, and The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya. There are various interpretations of what moe is today. While some argue that moe is a pure, protective feeling towards a character[1], popular use denotes moe as an adjective used to describe any features of a character that particularly "turn on" the person, sexually or otherwise.[2] The expanded use of the word has led to it being used to describe anything "hyper-cute" as well, such as the genre of anime-inspired music unique to Akihabara. - wiki
now that you know about it, it's also important for you to know the elements of moe.. I'll explain shortly about them..
1. Tsundere
Which is the most popular element of moe.. Tsundere is the short term of Tsuntsunderedere, where tsuntsun means to act cold to others, and deredere means to act kind and sweet to others. This type of characters usually gone all cold at first, but as the story goes, they'll become sweet and cute.
There are a lot examples of this type, but I'll name Louise De La Valiere (Zero no Tsukaima) as the prime example.
2, Yandere
Which is originated from the wordplay "yanderu" (bad nature). This type of characters usually acts normally, but when their love reached the point of "obsessive" level, they'll become crazy/sick/mad/that kind of things, and they can even kill the others..
Example : Kaede Fuyou
3. Kuudere
Originated from the word Cool and deredere. They act all cool and usually expressionless. This type of girls usually got superior physical or intellectual ability..
Example : Tear Grants (Tales of The Abyss)
4. Dandere
From the word "danmari" (quiet) and deredere.. They usually quiet, but will become deredere when they're being left together with only her lover..
Example : Nagato Yuki (Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya)
5. Maid
i don't think it needs any further explanation..
There are hell lot of Examples but : Lucy Maria Misora (To Heart 2)
6. Miko
Refers to Japanese Shrine Maidens. Usually identical with purity and virginity.
Example : Nagomi (Nagomiko)
7. Seifuku
Refers to Japanese Schoolgirls Sailor Uniform .
Example : Lucky Star's girls
8. Buruma
Refers to Schoolgirls PE Uniform. Short pants.. Showing their entire legs
9. Sukumizu
The short term of Sukuruu Mizugi (School Swinsuit)
10. Twintail
no need for explanation. It's identical with tsundere.
Example : Hatsune Miku (Vocaloid)
11. Meganekko
Means glasses
12. Nekomimi
Cat Ears .. Can be either fake or real
Example : Himari (Omamori imari)
13. Kemomimi
Animal Ears other than cat.. usually foxes or wolves..
Example : Horo (Spice & Wolf)
14. Loli
The most controversial type of moe. Refers Underaged/small girls. But take note, that Loli doesn't always means to be young in age.. Even if the girls is 500 years old, she can be considered as loli if she got an under-developed body.
Example : well.. a lot of them.. Taiga Aisaka (toradora)
15. Android
Humanoid Robots.. They're usually (not always) emotionless, but will gain emotions and humanism as the story goes.
Example : Reverie (Planetarian - The Reverie of a Little Planet)
16. Pettanko
Means Flat chest.. but do take note that they're not lolis (which means they got under-developed bodies for girls at their age) and they're usually have inferiority complex about their chest.
Example : Nagi (Kannagi)
17. Byoujako
Refers to girls with sickness.. usually bound to thier rooms or hospitals.
Example : Yuzuha (Utawarerumono)
18. Oujousama
Rich girls from Luxurious families.. Usually, they didn't understand the way of living of commoners.
Example : Erika Sendou (Fortune Arterial)
19. Imouto
Little sisters.. they're going "Onii-chan" at you.. doesn't necessarily need to be blood-related sisters..
20. Dojikko
Your typical clumsy girl.. Often makes mistakes like Spilling their drinks and stuffs.
Example : Hirasawa Yui (K-ON)
21. Trap
Refers to guys who cross-dress as girls and vice versa (Reverse Trap)
Example : Bridget (Guilty Gear) and Naoto Shirogane (Persona 4)
22. Kisei
uhmm.. Kisei means weird sounds that some characters makes as their habit when talking..
Example : Lucy Maria Misora (Ruu~) and Tsukimiya Ayu (Uguu~)
23. Zettai Ryouki
err,, how should i explain this..Refers to Skirt-Skin-Long-Stocking.. Zettai Ryouki points at their skin.. gah.. Pictures > Words.. always remember taht it's important for the stockings to be long enough to cover most of the leg..
and there are a lot of others element that refers to lot of things e.g (senpai, ponytail, etc).. but I guess I't enough..
and keep in mind that those elements can be combined.. for example : Maid + Oujousama = Hojou Reika (Goshusho-sama Ninomiya-kun)
now that you know about it, it's also important for you to know the elements of moe.. I'll explain shortly about them..
1. Tsundere
Which is the most popular element of moe.. Tsundere is the short term of Tsuntsunderedere, where tsuntsun means to act cold to others, and deredere means to act kind and sweet to others. This type of characters usually gone all cold at first, but as the story goes, they'll become sweet and cute.
There are a lot examples of this type, but I'll name Louise De La Valiere (Zero no Tsukaima) as the prime example.
Spoiler:
2, Yandere
Which is originated from the wordplay "yanderu" (bad nature). This type of characters usually acts normally, but when their love reached the point of "obsessive" level, they'll become crazy/sick/mad/that kind of things, and they can even kill the others..
Example : Kaede Fuyou
Spoiler:
3. Kuudere
Originated from the word Cool and deredere. They act all cool and usually expressionless. This type of girls usually got superior physical or intellectual ability..
Example : Tear Grants (Tales of The Abyss)
Spoiler:
4. Dandere
From the word "danmari" (quiet) and deredere.. They usually quiet, but will become deredere when they're being left together with only her lover..
Example : Nagato Yuki (Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya)
Spoiler:
5. Maid
i don't think it needs any further explanation..
There are hell lot of Examples but : Lucy Maria Misora (To Heart 2)
Spoiler:
6. Miko
Refers to Japanese Shrine Maidens. Usually identical with purity and virginity.
Example : Nagomi (Nagomiko)
Spoiler:
7. Seifuku
Refers to Japanese Schoolgirls Sailor Uniform .
Example : Lucky Star's girls
Spoiler:
8. Buruma
Refers to Schoolgirls PE Uniform. Short pants.. Showing their entire legs
Spoiler:
9. Sukumizu
The short term of Sukuruu Mizugi (School Swinsuit)
Spoiler:
10. Twintail
no need for explanation. It's identical with tsundere.
Example : Hatsune Miku (Vocaloid)
Spoiler:
11. Meganekko
Means glasses
Spoiler:
12. Nekomimi
Cat Ears .. Can be either fake or real
Example : Himari (Omamori imari)
Spoiler:
13. Kemomimi
Animal Ears other than cat.. usually foxes or wolves..
Example : Horo (Spice & Wolf)
Spoiler:
14. Loli
The most controversial type of moe. Refers Underaged/small girls. But take note, that Loli doesn't always means to be young in age.. Even if the girls is 500 years old, she can be considered as loli if she got an under-developed body.
Example : well.. a lot of them.. Taiga Aisaka (toradora)
Spoiler:
15. Android
Humanoid Robots.. They're usually (not always) emotionless, but will gain emotions and humanism as the story goes.
Example : Reverie (Planetarian - The Reverie of a Little Planet)
Spoiler:
16. Pettanko
Means Flat chest.. but do take note that they're not lolis (which means they got under-developed bodies for girls at their age) and they're usually have inferiority complex about their chest.
Example : Nagi (Kannagi)
Spoiler:
17. Byoujako
Refers to girls with sickness.. usually bound to thier rooms or hospitals.
Example : Yuzuha (Utawarerumono)
Spoiler:
18. Oujousama
Rich girls from Luxurious families.. Usually, they didn't understand the way of living of commoners.
Example : Erika Sendou (Fortune Arterial)
Spoiler:
19. Imouto
Little sisters.. they're going "Onii-chan" at you.. doesn't necessarily need to be blood-related sisters..
Spoiler:
20. Dojikko
Your typical clumsy girl.. Often makes mistakes like Spilling their drinks and stuffs.
Example : Hirasawa Yui (K-ON)
Spoiler:
21. Trap
Refers to guys who cross-dress as girls and vice versa (Reverse Trap)
Example : Bridget (Guilty Gear) and Naoto Shirogane (Persona 4)
Spoiler:
Spoiler:
22. Kisei
uhmm.. Kisei means weird sounds that some characters makes as their habit when talking..
Example : Lucy Maria Misora (Ruu~) and Tsukimiya Ayu (Uguu~)
23. Zettai Ryouki
err,, how should i explain this..Refers to Skirt-Skin-Long-Stocking.. Zettai Ryouki points at their skin.. gah.. Pictures > Words.. always remember taht it's important for the stockings to be long enough to cover most of the leg..
Spoiler:
and there are a lot of others element that refers to lot of things e.g (senpai, ponytail, etc).. but I guess I't enough..
and keep in mind that those elements can be combined.. for example : Maid + Oujousama = Hojou Reika (Goshusho-sama Ninomiya-kun)
Spoiler:
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I thought moe means burned.... Hehehehe... Ok it is like Shinici said.... but usually everyone has different MOE preference.....
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Although the title of this thread has the word "Serious" in it, I am still pondering whether or not to move the topic to another section. The only reason why I have not done so would be my inability to identify which section would be most appropriate, thus I am leaving the thread here to see how things turn out. :)
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theotaku wrote...
You asked for it:Spoiler:
That I agree is the embodiment of moe. "Oni-chan~!"
Though seriously, Shinichi Miyamoto gave one helluva excellent post on what moe is and what it can classify into. Remind me to +rep you because you deserve.
Another interesting link regarding "Kawaii" in Japanese culture, which would explain the origins of moe: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuteness_in_Japanese_culture
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I do not in any way claim to be some sort of manga/anime/hentai expert, nor am I a 100% native Japanese speaker (though I do consider myself very close to that level now), but if you want an all-encompassing definition, I've always thought "moe" to be that intense emotional feeling that floods you; kind of like how your heart fluttered and you got all hot when you saw your crush during middle/high school. Therefore, anything that gives you that feeling, you can call moe. The wide application of "moe" and the ensuing confusion, I think, is due to the fact that this intense "crush" feeling can be triggered by so many different ways, and along the way we somehow lost track of what it originally was.
A current example? The epitome of moe in current anime for me would be Mio from K-ON. I do think they're perhaps overdoing it, but there's no doubt that Mio's pushing all the right buttons to qualify as "Saimoe" (most moe).
Of course, if I'm in any way wrong feel free to correct me. We all learn from mistakes.
A current example? The epitome of moe in current anime for me would be Mio from K-ON. I do think they're perhaps overdoing it, but there's no doubt that Mio's pushing all the right buttons to qualify as "Saimoe" (most moe).
Of course, if I'm in any way wrong feel free to correct me. We all learn from mistakes.
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Here's an example of Raze's explanation. When I think of "Moe~" it's means like enough, it's so intense that you get a nosebleed.
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Yup, when you think it's so cute you just want to hug it and keep it to yourself and never let anybody else touch it (in a matter of speaking); thats moe. And usually, moe can also be associated with hentai. You guys know what I mean, you dirty minds.
Here's a good example:
Here's a good example:
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Jonoe wrote...
Here's an example of Raze's explanation. When I think of "Moe~" it's means like enough, it's so intense that you get a nosebleed.
Also: there doesn't seem to be much room for discussion, If I were you I would move it to random.
