Should Obama be Elected again? Or thrown out?

since the question is "should Obama get re-elected", the answer is definitely no. The only reason why he might get elected is if the alternative is just as bad. I pretty much agree with Tsurayu, If Ron Paul isn't elected, then I don't care which evil we get

After reading about people saying they support Ron Paul I had to read about him. I don't mind him.

On Obama, I think he wasn't aggressive enough when he had Democratic support of the House. The things that did get through didn't do much on the economic side. When that didn't pan out it was pretty much congress election time again.



This is what I think of the upcoming election. The candidates are almost entirely idiots, so why bother? Whenever the government system, and its officials get entirely thrown out and everything is re-built (or at least very closely scrutinized) from the ground up is when I'll start to care. If it takes a civil war to do so then so be it.

I agree. The current political system is so ridiculously fucked up. I would actually blame the big companies that provide money to the politicians. They are greedy as fuck. Destroy those then the government would be better off. then the entire political system has to be overhauled. It used to be the runner-up becomes vice prez. but the vice prezs now are idiots until this election where every1 seems to be idiots minus a few. well idiots for the idiotic voting masses.

NO!

He defied congress' approval for war, commanded secret drone wars which created international tensions, signed a bill essentially removing liberty whatsoever (NDAA), lied to votes during the campaign about Iraq, violated Pakistani sovereignty, ignored demands to end the Federal Reserve, and still did not establish government transparency (WTF is the purpose of Bilderberg?!)

Even worse is he appointed Hilary Clinton to be our Secretary of State. And that girl talks about the "good ol days" of American Propaganda from the Cold War where we dominated news, in response to Aljazeera. She talked like a druggie talking about getting drugs! Did Obama seriously appoint this HEARTLESS monster to power!? She couldn't give a damn about all the people she has killed, as long as it is in the name of "Democracy", when Americans still question their government about conspiracies!

Speaking of which, Obama has also rejected further investigation into 9/11. Not to imply America did 9/11, but how the heck did fires burn down Building 7 like the way it did? There's soooo much we could learn about physics and infrastructure with bigger support into an investigation, but instead Obama just wants to dick around and lie to us that Al-Qaeda "Is jealous of our freedoms!"

Even worse is "Obamacare". I myself am a socialist, but Obama hasn't granted his people universal healthcare whatsoever, otherwise it would have been more like Canada! Instead, all he does is pile on additional tax, and increase the size of the federal government and its power over medicine. That is NOT a good thing!

He also renewed the Patriot act, and has no intention to repeal it whatsoever! And he lied about closing down Guantanamo Bay!

Sure, there's sites like Obama achievements. But keep in mind many of these things are falsely credited to him because this is the work of congress (Which is also corrupt, but it doesn't mean Obama was responsible.)

And just look at how he's handling the Iran "nuclear" crisis! Why the fuck is it his business what happens to Israel, or if Iran has a nuclear weapon? Why WOULDN'T they want a nuclear weapon, when every single super power in the world is staring down their throat?

And the Obama administration constantly plays the "What about Israel" card. Let me tell ya - I'm a Jew, and I'm a Zionist. And I've been closely monitoring the situation. Israel and its Mossad said they can defend themselves, and Nettanyahu expressed large disagreement with America about Foreign Aid and Iran. Stupid Christians in Washington need to mind their own damn business and respect Israel's sovereignty! Why the fuck are they dragging Israel into a war and blaming them!?

Personally, I would not want Obama re-elected. Mitt Romney is even worse! Most of the people in our government want to start World War 3, and they don't care if someone really does fire a missile at us as long as they could hide in bunkers!

There's something fucked up about that!

And don't credit him for catching Osama Bin Laden. The CIA had 10 opportunities to get him before, and each time Bush or Obama had vetoed their operations! Just ask Michael Schuer, who was a chief in the CIA! Now he's a vocal critic of our own government because of Bush and Obama, and let me tell ya - When our own high-ranked CIA members starts dissenting against the government (The same CIA which carried out MKultra and Artichoke just decades ago), then something is really fucked up with the government!

If Ron Paul loses the election, then if we don't vote third party, we're toast!

Depends.

I'm rather politically apathetic for the most part. However, in my opinion it all depends on how you judge these facts:

Of all the things Obama has promised in his campaign, here the facts about them.

He has followed through on 160 campaign promises.

These include banning torture, protecting consumers from credit card ass fuckings, extended tax cuts for the poor, provide the medicare he promised, and hired over 100,000 federal employees with disabilities.

He has compromised, and then followed through in a bipartisan basis on 50.
These include expanding earned income tax credit, establshing a small business initiative for Rural america, create a National Health Insurance exchange, and Invest $10 billion per year in early intervention educational and developmental programs.

He has broken 56.
These include repealing the Bush tax cuts for higher incomes, forbidding companies in bankruptcy from giving executives bonuses, and forming an international group to help Iraq refugees

He's been stalled on 65
These include eliminating all oil and gas tax loopholes, Closing loopholes in the corporate tax deductibility of CEO pay, and lifting the payroll tax cap on earnings above $250,000

And he's written up policies concerning, or is in the middle of being kept, or is being blocked by third parties on 175.
These include creating an international tax haven watch list, Creating a retirement savings tax credit for low incomes, and requiring full disclosure of company pension investments to employees.

It all depends on how you feel about those numbers and promises really. Considering he's a politician, I'm amazed he's kept as many as he has. *shrug*

I'll be the first to admit that I voted for Obama, and am highly disappointed. I got caught up in the charisma with the hope of change. Instead I got a renewed Patriot Act, no end of war, nothing done about Guantanamo Bay, and more bailouts.

I do have a pet peeve with the black community voting for him because he's black. I think any colored American should be ashamed of themselves, because Martin Luther King Jr. stated:



So if any colored American is voting for him just because he's black, then shame on you. Know what his policies are, understand what he's doing, and if that pleases you THEN vote for him.

Me personally? All my time and effort is going to Ron Paul. Had I been smarter in 2008 I would have voted for him then too. If you're a Ron Paul supporter in the US and would like to do something to help him win, feel free to PM me. :)

One thing, really don't get a say (I did a report for my college class on this.)it doesn't matter if we the citizens vote, since the presidential elections are by the electoral college; meaning that the majority always wins (even if the your state, 49.999% voted for Obama and 50.001% voted for whom ever else...the vote would go toward the others.

Remember these are facts, and the Electoral Voter those NOT have to vote for the presidential candidate you or your state chose. He'd be fired if he did that but the vote can still go through.

I'm not gonna lie, i voted for him and one reason being because he is black. I was Obama wanted to do things but congress wouldn't let him. For this upcoming election i don't know who to vote for. I'll just see on what each party "Promise's".

Not gonna lie, contrary to my previous post, I really want Obama vs Ron Paul in a debate.

Mitt Romney is a poor debater and he only wins for... God, how does he actually "win" debates when he has no platform besides beating Obama?

The alternative - Ron Paul, might make the best presidential debate on earth however. To be fair, Obama has kept many of his promises, and some of his philosophies are quite good. However, he still represents the "status quo" and it's time for real change.

A debate between Paul and Obama would essentially decide whether or not we as people are ready for a new regime, or our collapsing empire in which we choose the lesser of evils to rule over us as a dictator.

I don't acknowledge the current political status of the homeland as an Empire, namely because an empire is held by a king/queen or a Head of State who makes political decisions in the interest of his people. Given our political and corporate affairs, it's much more suitable to say we're an Aristocracy and that an honorable Empire is preferable to that.

I'm disappointed in Obama, and I knew he would disappoint me, but I can't blame him, because of the virtually uncooperative Congress and the economy. However I would re-elect him (if Mitt Romney wins the GOP nomination) simply on the basis that well Romney is...an idiot, thank god Rick Perry is definitely not gonna be nominated now.

Who cares, the president doesn't run anything or have any real power anyways.

Besides the power to effectively stop any bill from being passed (especially considering the divided congress) and the power to order the troops to return home. There is also the arguable power granted by Article II, Section 3, Clause 4 of the Constitution that would allow the President to order the Executive branch (i.e law enforcement and regulatory agencies) to not enforce a law.

Well only way to find out is to vote and wait it out.

Its not like he has done bad actions.

Everyone bashing on him because he was the first "Black" In office.

Almost any other person that would of been taken in charge would have done the same actions which most people wanted.

Any kind of action that a president would do, there is people that agree on it and people who do not agree on it. When a good idea goes wrong, they blame the person that allowed the action to go on, which in this case is the current president.

Sometimes it is even the Previous president actions which the current president gets blamed for.

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I don't know. Honestly, I'm not going to have a favorable candidate at the rate things are going. I've never liked any Republican candidates except Ron Paul..and he's looking a little shaky to me though I'm glad he's finally getting the credit he deserves. I want to believe Obama might clean up his own mess, so if Romney does win the Republican primary, then yes I vote for Obama.

Obama has violated international law countless times with his drone warfare, invasion of Libya (Although France is supposedly responsible for arming rebels, NATO is led by America), created massive tensions with Pakistan by defying their sovereignty in the name of "war on terror", signed the NDAA, renewed the patriot act, continued the war on drugs, and kept Guantanamo Bay running after he promised to close it! (As well as lied about bringing troops out of Iraq year 1!)

Also, what the HELL is Obama doing sending troops to UGANDA? It isn't even in the name of the War on Terrorism!


Obama declares war by defying congress, and he removed the rights of the American people. That is essentially an elected DICTATORSHIP, and a corrupted continuation of Bush policies!

I'm deeply unimpressed with a lot of candidates, save for Ron Paul. I agree with a lot of his ideals, but as we are now so acutely aware -- what he plans to do, and what he would in fact do.. can be two completely different things.

For me.. I'd prefer to have Obama for a second term... unless Ron Paul steps up his game.

His supporters are so confident because, he's voted exactly how he's preached. So if there is any candidate that I can believe won't compromise on their principles, it'd be Ron Paul. Other candidates are too bound to the special interests they groveled to for money to finance their campaigns.

Political parties will promise you the world doesn't mean they own it you should vote based on the canidate record and beliefs. Why do people say Obama is the first black president when he is half WHITE?