Shrodinger's cat and your opinion....
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Well the experiment shows how observation defines the known universe. While some argue that because of this cat, there are parallel universes or whatnot. I think this just proves the fact that you don't know what you don't know. The fate of the cat is not in a superposition (both dead and alive) rather the fate of the cat is outside of the known universe which we cannot observe since that destroys the concept of it
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It is just a way of explain a theory about fotons. You can't say the location or the speed of the particle... physics stuff
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@e-L33T wrote...
Here's the experiment, as writen by shrodinger himself :One can even set up quite ridiculous cases. A cat is penned up in a steel chamber, along with the following device (which must be secured against direct interference by the cat): in a Geiger counter, there is a tiny bit of radioactive substance, so small that perhaps in the course of the hour, one of the atoms decays, but also, with equal probability, perhaps none; if it happens, the counter tube discharges, and through a relay releases a hammer that shatters a small flask of hydrocyanic acid. If one has left this entire system to itself for an hour, one would say that the cat still lives if meanwhile no atom has decayed. The psi-function of the entire system would express this by having in it the living and dead cat (pardon the expression) mixed or smeared out in equal parts. It is typical of these cases that an indeterminacy originally restricted to the atomic domain becomes transformed into macroscopic indeterminacy, which can then be resolved by direct observation. That prevents us from so naively accepting as valid a "blurred model" for representing reality. In itself, it would not embody anything unclear or contradictory. There is a difference between a shaky or out-of-focus photograph and a snapshot of clouds and fog banks
The question is, what do you think we can interpret by this thought experiment???
Do you think that the person who observe the experiment is the one whomakes the world diverge??? or is the world diverge by it self?? etc. etc.
PS : I don't want wikipedia answers, i just want to know what you think.
WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT
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Usually when you raise old topics from the dead, you should add something to it, other than "Whaaat."
OP: In my opinion this type thought experiment is some what useless and doesn't accomplish anything! To think that us looking into the box or bunker or w/e is what makes the cat either survive or explode is, umm.. weird or dumb! That is like saying everything we can not observe is not happening, and only when we observe it does it actually happen or our observation is what caused it to happen. Doesn't make any sense. The universe is not centered around humans knowing about it, nor does the universe change from our observation.
When we open the box to see what has happened to the kitty, what we see is the result, us opening the box did not have any effect on the result.
Edit: Here the experiment is explained better
OP: In my opinion this type thought experiment is some what useless and doesn't accomplish anything! To think that us looking into the box or bunker or w/e is what makes the cat either survive or explode is, umm.. weird or dumb! That is like saying everything we can not observe is not happening, and only when we observe it does it actually happen or our observation is what caused it to happen. Doesn't make any sense. The universe is not centered around humans knowing about it, nor does the universe change from our observation.
When we open the box to see what has happened to the kitty, what we see is the result, us opening the box did not have any effect on the result.
Edit: Here the experiment is explained better
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Coconutt wrote...
That is like saying everything we can not observe is not happening, and only when we observe it does it actually happen or our observation is what caused it to happen. Doesn't make any sense.This is an even deeper problem. How do we know how things behave when they are unobserved? We can't investigate it because in order to do that, we would have to observe the things, and thus they would not do what they do when unobserved. The only reason this makes so little sense is because our brain relies so much on inductive reasoning.
If something happens every time we observe something, then it is likely that it happens all the time. So every time we go out, our house is still there, and we never see it move when we observe it, so it's logical to assume that it hasn't moved. But there is no way to know that it hasn't.
Ultimately this bears little to no impact on our everyday lives, and it's safe to use inductive reasoning in most scenarios. But it's a pretty interesting thought.
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Silence of the Yanderes wrote...
But there is no way to know that it hasn't.If you thought like that all the time, how in the world could you think about anything else except the things that are in your vision? Because absolutely everything you see could operate differently when they are not on your vision? Also doesn't this experiment assume that the object or thing you are observing is aware of you observing it? If it does not know that you are observing it, why assume it operates differently just because your eyes are looking at it? You would go crazy, lol and maybe some people have gone crazy thinking about it :D.
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Coconutt wrote...
If you thought like that all the time, how in the world could you think about anything else except the things that are in your vision? Because absolutely everything you see could operate differently when they are not on your vision? Also doesn't this experiment assume that the object or thing you are observing is aware of you observing it? If it does not know that you are observing it, why assume it operates differently just because your eyes are looking at it? Well, for a start, we have no way of knowing that it is unaware of us observing it. But even so, like in Schrodinger cat, the universe is probably unaware that we are observing it, but the very action of observing the cat when we open the box forced it to 'choose a reality'.
Coconutt wrote...
You would go crazy, lol and maybe some people have gone crazy thinking about it :D.Why I'm not a philosopher :D
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And this my freinds, is why Empiricism fails as a logical philosophy of knowledge.
That and even if you DO see that can't you can't be entirely sure that what you're seeing is accurate, you may think the cat is alive when you see it because your brain interprets some accidental motion or nerve impulses as a sign of life but it is actually dead. You really have no way of certainly knowing weather or not what your senses tell you are an accurate view of reality based only on your senses either.
Your immediate direct observation may not even tell you weather the cat is alive or dead if it is dead but happens to look alive or is alive and happens to look dead.
http://existentialcomics.com/comic/5
It's a long comic, but actually a fairly concise explanation of the problem.
Heisenberg though. :D Observation is a kind of interaction with an object. If nothing else you've blocked the light bounced off it, don't get me started on what touching something does.
That and even if you DO see that can't you can't be entirely sure that what you're seeing is accurate, you may think the cat is alive when you see it because your brain interprets some accidental motion or nerve impulses as a sign of life but it is actually dead. You really have no way of certainly knowing weather or not what your senses tell you are an accurate view of reality based only on your senses either.
Your immediate direct observation may not even tell you weather the cat is alive or dead if it is dead but happens to look alive or is alive and happens to look dead.
http://existentialcomics.com/comic/5
It's a long comic, but actually a fairly concise explanation of the problem.
nor does the universe change from our observation. If it does not know that you are observing it, why assume it operates differently just because your eyes are looking at it?
Heisenberg though. :D Observation is a kind of interaction with an object. If nothing else you've blocked the light bounced off it, don't get me started on what touching something does.
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Silence of the Yanderes wrote...
The very action of observing the cat when we open the box forced it to 'choose a reality'.When we open the box to see what has happened to the kitty, what we see is the result, us opening the box did not have any effect on the result. The result of 'what happened inside' is gonna stay the same all the time whether we open it or not.
I don't know if you agree with me or not, that 'choose a reality' thing just doesn't make any sense to me.
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So this is what he meant by "takes a life of it's own", quite interesting~
The hypothetical is used to explain "super position" in Quantum Physics and how Quantum Physics and Newtonian Physics are ruled by 2 separate sets of rules that don't mix well. That Quantum objects can exist in all possible positions, but because were govern by the rules of Newtonian Physics (the same as the cat) we can't observe all the positions (super position, decayed and not decayed in this case) so we can only ever observe 1 position at a given time. (That or, even on the quantum level, super position is unobservable.)
I'm paraphrasing quite a bit from the video, the video explains it in finer detail. After watching this, it might help to understand the Minute physics videos, posted on page one, better.
And if your not confused yet, or you still don't understand, this may help.
Quantum Mechanics are amazing and mind blowing~
The hypothetical is used to explain "super position" in Quantum Physics and how Quantum Physics and Newtonian Physics are ruled by 2 separate sets of rules that don't mix well. That Quantum objects can exist in all possible positions, but because were govern by the rules of Newtonian Physics (the same as the cat) we can't observe all the positions (super position, decayed and not decayed in this case) so we can only ever observe 1 position at a given time. (That or, even on the quantum level, super position is unobservable.)
I'm paraphrasing quite a bit from the video, the video explains it in finer detail. After watching this, it might help to understand the Minute physics videos, posted on page one, better.
And if your not confused yet, or you still don't understand, this may help.
Quantum Mechanics are amazing and mind blowing~