Sociopaths, Psycopaths, Misanthropes gather round

For the sake of this arguement let's say these three conditions are hereditary .I found socio/psycopathy being hereditary to be debated or admitted to be unknown. Whilst many are influenst in to misanthropy, I've met some who claim they were like that from birth.

If these three conditions are indeed hereditary, how do you think they may affect humanitty down through years to come?

A bit of information about the three. Please correct me if I am wrong.

Sociopath: A sociopath is someone without a consionce, meaning they are able to act how they see fit without the consequnce of guilt. They do not feel empathy for others and instead of feeling how another person feels ( e.g sorrow), are able calculate how the other person feels. They also have difficulty functioning in social situations but show skill in manipulating others. Usually able to stay calm in very bad situations.

Psycopath: Sharing a lot in common with sociopaths, psycopaths are a more steriotypically violent people. Many enjoy hurting others, thus why many seriel killers are psycopaths. They have a talent of finding out who you really are and what makes you tick rather quickly. Some within five minutes of meeting you. Brilliant at manipulating others. Some simply find emotions useless. Whilst that sounds bad, the vast majority of psycopaths are law abiding citizens and are as likely to help you than hinder you. E.g One day they might mug you, the next they may pull you out of a burning building.

Misanthropes: I am less aware to the workings of misanthropes. They hate humanity with a passion. Ones I have encounered seem to show narcicistic tendancies. They also share a few qualities with the two above. Brilliant manipulators. From what I understand they also share the emotional aspect to the two above but to how much depends on the person. Also calculateing others feelings instead of feeling them themselves.

How do you you think these three will advance through human evolution and what may be there outcome? This is a question I've been interested in for a time.

Feel free to prove me wrong if you can, I don't
enjoy holding wrong information and welcome the chance to learn something new.

Note: I have recieved all my information from books, people, internet, etc...

Good post.Um I really dont know how this will effect humanity but I seemingly have to get this off my cheast.I'm a Misanthrope,there I said it. I'll come back with a through answer later.

My guess is that if more and more such of these "virus" based things exist then humanity will surely end very quickly.

It may sound kinda rude from me, but based on personal experiences I have made with such people, they don't tend to live very long, or at least make something of themselves.

I am just curious how one cannot have empathy for others, hurt others without any sense of restraints or guilt, hate humanity, became to be? Such behaviors or thinking must have been caused either by other people who strongly left a scar in them, or they haven't been taught compassion for others.

Babies aren't born as ignorant beings who pushes everything away, instead they "need" the support of others who can provide for them, thus they learn by instinct, that humanity must be kept together. For someone to belong in one of those categories, means they must have gone through something inhuman, something so harsh that they twist their own sense of reality believing they are something more, or less than a human.

So to sum up my answer, I'd say no, such people won't live for long to see any changes in their lives, but in case yes ( which I hope ), then that person must go through a hell of a lot of patience for that person to mentally change back into a human being, or at least find the compassion for humanity.

I don't know if this is a good explanation from me, so forgive me if you are confused.

Edit

I wish to add a more explanation to how this can affect humanity .. the thing is .. is that many human beings are on a brink of total ignorance. Ignorance is a leading cause of why many suffer, because to not help at all means to just let it happen, without realizing it, becoming affected by this too.

Kind of like Facebook, it is like seeing a picture of a poor young girl and there is also information helping that girl, so donations is required, so what does this person do, just scroll down, why is that? It is because humans never really interact with such people thus never learning compassion for the poor.

So for the case of ignorance, let me just write this, is not a natural instinct, but rather a fear implanted inside the human brain thinking if they interact or do something about it, they are lead to believe they will get hurt in the process.

So this is my opinion on ignorance, it isn't natural, but has been taught from the beginning, to make sure humanity ends by one person at a time.

Sociopaths, psycopaths and some misanthropes are born. Misanthropy usually happens when the person has been badly betrayed or hurt by another person. People are also capable of develping psycopathic or sociopathic tendancies/traits.

Edit: And no, you can't cure psycopthy or sociopathy to my knowledge. I think it's
pretty much hard wired in to you. The people with traits Probably are more curable. Again I don't know to much about misanthropy but I doubt it.

I agree that humans can develop these traits, no doubt about that .. but I am just saying that these things do not happen without a cause, the traits are just the effects.

So court jester I must ask from which source you acuired the information that sociopaths,psycopaths and misanthropy would have shorter lives than normal.

What I meant is how it affects humanity and that humanity would end very quickly if more of them were around.

Also it is just a personal opinion.

Also if you wanna reply to anyone just quote it then they will be notified, that way they will know you responded.

That's an unexpected and interesting topic you brought up, nice job.

That said, I don't believe that such conditions are hereditary, mainly because no one is born a monster (and no, not from a religious point of view). Philosophy may argue that people are born into this world with pre-built knowledge and experience, but that's bull if you ask me (what we learn, we learn throught experience alone IMHO).

Also, you didn't mention that most psychos are also compulsive liars, so they may say "yeah I was a monster from birth" or "daddy sodomized me from when I was five till I killed him during high school" just to troll you.

However, it's also true that, IF and only IF psychopathy was hereditary, that would be very frightening (then again, I never heard of psychos with enough of a social life to marry and have kids, unless of course they're rapists with a fixation on their victims).

I aim to please.

You seemed to ignore the first thing I said but brought up an interesting point. "Nobody is born a monster" I assume you mean that people arn't born with a complete lack of empathy (again, please correct me if I'm wrong). As I said, people can develop socio/psycopathic traits through multiple causes. But, from what I understand, people can be born with no empathy (rare occurence that usually happens in men). Let's think of it like dyslexia. It can be genetic so you develop the condition straight away.

In your last part of writing you seem to paint the picture of the steriotypical psycopath. As I said, they are likely to help as much as they are likely to fuck you up and many stay within the boundries of the law. Although of course there ones that have earned the steriotypical look. Psycopaths have been repeatedly reppeatedly reported to be charming. So if one does choose to settle down, (it's not rare) they wouldn't have much trouble.

I agree on this ... to develop these traits from families are highly possible.

One such example is that many say I have my way of thinking from my uncle, and the way I get angry is the same as my fathers.
( I however am changing now so in some cases could be temporary and other cases permanently )

Why do you think so? Misanthropes do hate humanity, yes. But why would they kill everyone instead of becoming a hermet?
Psycopaths may have a violent disregard for human life and causing the end of humanity may be amusing (well, to me anyway). But generally, psycopaths stay out of trouble. Someone who feels no fear could be an asset to the species evolution.
Sociopaths aren't violent by nature. Merciless and cold when they feel like it but also as able to act as selflessly another person. Simply less likely to.

Because such types and their behaviors are of no benefit for humanity ... well they do pose as a good example of what people shouldn't be, but that is all, however I do understand how some came to be and why some should understand them.

Other than that, it is just my personal opinion, with no official facts behind it.

title of video tells everything.

Interesting you brought that up ... because it's true.

Well barring these people banding together to launch an internal strike against the foundation of society I don't see what real effect they might have on humanity as a whole. Besides what they're doing now nothing will change unless their numbers rise.

You're right .. that is IF their numbers would rise. ( Meaning shit would get real if they appeared in the thousands or hundreds of thousands )

Good thing is that these guys don't band together that much.

Seven billion people. Here are the statistics of psycopathy in men and women I found in a book a while ago.

1.5% of men are psycopaths (minimum percentage)

0.5% of women are psycopaths (again minimum percentage)

(If you want the maximum number, put in an additional 1.5% I think).

Lets use the minimum. So 2% of the human population are known psycopaths. I was always bad at math but I think that means there are approximatly fouteen-hundred-million (I think...) known psycopaths walking about. I don't really have any numbers for sociopaths or misanthropes. But you get the idea.

Also, due to multiple reasons I have no idea what was posted that is meant to sum up this thread. Oh, if the calculation is wrong, which wouldn't surprise me, let me know.

Correct me if I am wrong, but you are talking about if the psychopath/sociopath doesn't want to be treated (which is most cases), there are some therapy treatments, but the occupant has to willingly attend, instead of being forced to.

It should be noted that there *is* a definition of a psychopath and a sociopath, and it's important to distinguish them and also note that they, by definition, could never work together.

Misanthropes, on the other hand, have nothing at all to do with psychopathy or sociopathy. It simply means that one dislikes humanity, which is not a disorder, nor is it a symptom of any disorder. It doesn't need to be addressed, as it is not a pathology, just an attitude. Psychopathy and sociopathy are mental diseases that currently do not have cures, simply because they are ingrained personalities that are totally impervious to any change--any attempts to change either only fuel them to be better at being psychopathic or sociopathic. Empathy cannot be "learned" when it's missing from the beginning.

To differentiate, a psychopath is someone with an extreme form of Antisocial Personality Disorder. In addition to being manipulative, remorseless, egocentric, and self-centered in a way that erases their own capacity to consider others as more than objects or plan ahead for consequences, they totally lack any connection to any world outside of themselves. Their connection is only superficial, and intentionally glib and charming for their own ends. These are the types of people that can effortlessly and without hesitance use a shotgun on their family for talking too loud while they watch television, and then continue to watch television in a room dripping with gore without any discomfort. They do not necessarily enjoy it or are sadistic, but they are indifferent to it. Others are not seen as "people", just machinations to be used and discarded for their use. They can not comprehend emotions like others do, and they do not understand fear or remorse, as they are literally incapable of feeling either.

Sociopaths are only slightly different, and the only important difference that needs to be made is that a sociopath *can*, to some extent, adapt to his environment in a way that makes some sense. In other words, a sociopath might grow up in a criminal family and so never able to learn a proper value for human life. They are unaffected by violence or abuse just like psychopaths, but sociopaths are capable of adapting to their own environment in a sensible manner. By contrast, psychopaths are *completely* egocentric, and only act with reference to themselves.

Fundamentally, there's little difference, and for practicality's sake, there's really no difference, and no "official" difference among psychologists. Both are potentially dangerous, and both are incapable of comprehending anything but their own immediate needs and how to obtain them through any means necessary. When asked what emotions like "remorse" or "fear" are, they can only offer concrete, logical reactions to those emotions. For instance, if asked, "How would you feel if someone pointed a gun at you face and demanded your wallet?" a psychopath/sociopath would often say something like, "I would try to get the gun away from them, turn the tables somehow, or give them the wallet and try to take it back later." They can not feel these emotions or understand what they mean.

One can not understand the mind of a psychopath or sociopath if they relate it to their own thinking processes, nor can one person *become* a psychopath or sociopath over time if they are not one already in adulthood. Psychopaths/sociopaths are deficient of very basic human emotions having to do with relating to others, and so live as they feel is natural, without having any capacity to obtain those feelings in the future.

It needs to be emphasized that they are not necessarily sadists or even intend to cause harm. The defining characteristic is indifference to any harm they cause while trying to obtain their goals or in the process of getting people to do what they want.

Because they are rare and not necessarily any more intelligent than anyone else, they pose no real threat to society at large. They are often caught doing criminal activity early and continue to make the same mistakes repeatedly. Psychopaths with particularly high intelligence are obviously more dangerous, but these are extremely rare, and a genius psychopath is just as rare by ratio as the rest of the population. Further, because they can not have "allies", they can never "band together" to accomplish even the most simple tasks. They will betray each other at the drop of a hat and feel no affiliation in even the most rudimentary sense. If working toward a common goal, each person will *never*, at any point, consider the others as part of the deal. They only know their own gain from it, and will think exclusively from that angle.

Really, what is it?



Thanks for clearing that up. As I said, I put misanthropy on the list since I have encountered people who claim to have been misanthropes from birth. Although, if a person grows up in a misanthropic household, the child would probably develop the attitude. Same as a person growing up in a racist household. Or maybe I'm wrong.



I didn't understand that. If a sociopath has no real value for human life in the first place, how would growing up in a criminal family lessen their value for human life? Or do they have the ability to learn the value of human life? Sorry, I just didn't understand your sentence there.



Not become one, but developing psychopathic/sociopathic tendencies is possible. Well, that's what I've been led to believe.

Your post is brilliant but you didn't really answer the question. If these (two) pathologys were hereditary, how do you think it would affect humanity? You've mentioned that sociopaths and psychopaths would betray each other when they felt like it. So would interactions with others just become incredibly unstable? Especially due to not feeling remorse or empathy to guide actions. As you said they won't go out of their way to cause harm but are indifferent to it.