Student Fees Increases

SamRavster · 2010-12-16T05:45:27-01:00

[font=Verdana][color=green]In posting this topic, I am well aware that this will effect a small minority of people on these forums, and not many people might not be aware of what this is concerning. So, for those who don't know what I'm talking about, I will provide a brief summary of the facts. Basically, for many years now, the price of tuition in the United Kingdom -for British students- has been hovering around the Â£3000 mark. Compare that with international students studying in the UK - Â£20000 - you'll soon realise that there is an inconsistency. Where does the extra Â£17000 disappear? Answer; the Government pays for it. As such, the current Conservative/Liberal Democrat coalition Government has decided enough is enough. They proposed to increase the cap of student fees to an astounding Â£9000. This met fierce opposition from students. Naturally, trebling of the fees is too much too fast in many people's opinion. Indeed; many people fear that this drastic increase will lead to a further fractured society. However, this does have it's positives. It will certainly fill up the Government's money pot. Also, it will help curtail "Mickey Mouse" courses which have always been met with much criticism. Of course, it goes unsaid that it would certainly make students value their course a lot more; as such quality of students should increase. I, for one, both support and oppose the rise. I support it as, doing a Law course, feel that other courses are much weaker degrees than mine. Also, it is important to cut back Government spending. However, the rise is simply too drastic too soon. If it was done gradually i.e. over 2-3 years, then it would be a lot better. What do you think about this highly debated subject? Please feel free to say whatever you wish.

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Room101 wrote...

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Although, I was pretty certain that people from EU had to pay around same as native English, with non-EU (Russians, Americans etc.) having to pay much more. But I digress.

I wonder if it will mean a new program of stricter scholarships for those gifted, but without the money to sign up.

Seeing as economy is still shaky (Eurozone in particular), I do wonder if all sponsors will be willing to adjust to new prices...I guess, only time will tell.

Just out of curiosity though, if this doesn't affect students being currently in universities, only new ones, than why is everyone protesting so much? I would understand high school students getting mad, but those already attending?

Unless, I'm still missing something. Or news are missing out here.

[font=Verdana][color=green]Thanks to your first sentence, I've got something else to burn with rage at. I just double-checked my self, then I saw this absolute joke of a fact; EU students will pay LESS than English students! Absolute joke. My opinions on the EU are for another day too; one sentence - crappiest system of unelected bastards ever.

Well, that is a good question regarding sponsors. Of course, the obvious answer would be "Oh, with all the money they get extra from Uni fees, they'll be more than happy to pay out some scholarships!". However, that would be very naive and doesn't consider the fact that the extra money they get from the students is only replacing money that they would've got anyway from the Government.

Why did people protest? Well, it'll be under the label of "It's only fair to the new students" or "Right to Education!", but to be honest it's just an excuse to be arseholes. I didn't see the point in protesting.

To doswillrule; again we'll have to agree to disagree. =P

Sorry to rain on your parade, but the British have no fucking moral authority to complain. Your empire fucking raped and pillaged a great part of the world for a 100 years.

This time around you have to pay for someone else's problems. BOHOO! You're being exploited!

...get real.

The EU you're so fast to badmouth also allows Britain to export a crapload of products and get the full worth for them without pesky tariffs getting in the way.

Back on topic: Higher education is not a birth right, however it's one of the few ways to lessen the income gap and maintain class mobility that can be genuinely fair. So a democratic country should do everything in their power to provide opportunities for each and every person who shows promise.

Arbitrarily raising tuition fees without a parallel system to provide state mandated grants and loans to promising students is just another way to screw over the poor.

Education is also important as the only way a developed country can maintain its production edge is through high-technology that can't be exported. To maintain that though, you need a constant influx of qualified workers and intelligentsia.

...and before you go all "liberal" on me, yes, you heard right! Liberal since the concepts of "curtailing excess government spending" is not a core Conservative value, but something that the neo-liberal schools of economics have pushed throughout the world thanks to pressure from the USA.

Curtailing spendings won't do much good in the long term. Yes, it's necessary to rationalize spendings, even cut back, but some of these cuts will bite the country in ass in the long run. (The same has happened in the USA where they have major problems with several infrastructure systems as well as their education system).

I keep saying the same thing, but without fiscal reform the current world economy will eventually collapse. Since our money supply is based on constantly renewed loans we have to produce exponential growth to keep up... which isn't possible anymore.

We've hit the hard limits, and unless we forgo all the social advances we earned through blood and toil (and the occasional murder) during the 19th and 20th century we won't be able to compete even with the 3rd world countries as they have no such "burden" on their market.

Blindly calling for cuts, for less and less social support won't do in the long run. This crisis is not temporary, it's not a hitch in the system, it's just a precursor of what's to come.

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