Suicide pills okay or no?

Why are suicide pills not okay? because suicide is not okay. Unless you are going to die a slow and painful death anyway, or possibly to save another life - then i can see no reason why suicide would be an acceptable option.

its there life, why should you get to say what they do with it

Suicide is an illegal, and immoral act in the States.

If people want to be more liberal in their society, then yes, have a suicide pill. But, it doesn't seem like an appropriate action in today's society; down the road for sure.


It depends on how liberal society gets. I hope it doesn't happen anytime in the near future though.

I like my hobbit hole.

Uh what? A "common law crime," maybe. But there are no remaining states where suicide or aiding a suicide is a legally defined crime.

In fact, Oregon and Washington both legalized physician-aided suicide.

And as far as I know, the only legal technicalities that spawn from it being considered a common law crime is that if the victim is not proven to be of "unsound mind" then the family cannot collect insurance on the victim, nor can they sue for damages against any party that may have been involved in the suicide.

Actually, some have even gone as far as saying that it is more upsetting to think that the United States government would ever have the audacity to consider suicide a crime, or more specifically telling you how you can die. As far as for some to consider it as cruel and unusual punishment, apparently.

Even if it were illegal, what would they do to the people who committed suicide? Fine them? Jail them? ;p it's not really possible to punish someone who ended their life.

But yeah, I agree.

There would be no insurance compensation. And, thanks for clearing it up, Tsurayu.

[size=10]No, no and triple no. While it's true that people are going to commit suicide either way, why would you want to ENCOURAGE them? Saying there's a pill that makes it painless is just going to make some people feel even more inclined to want to kill themselves than they already are. And if they were going to have to see a doctor to be prescribed the pills, why don't they just receive therapy instead and try and work through the issues that are causing the urge to commit suicide?

If someone is truly hell bent on killing themselves, they're going to do it whether it hurts or not. They're already hurting, so they're not going to care.

And then what about the idiots who think their life is over because "the love of their life" that they dated for a whole two weeks dumped them? Or their parents didn't buy them the phone or car or whatever they wanted, didn't let them do what they wanted, so they did it to spite them? They would get their retarded little hands on those pills and destroy their lives before they ever started.

The only time I would agree with it would be in the case of assisted suicide for people who are terminally ill and in pain.

I'm going to start rambling soon (if I haven't already haha), so i'll shut up now, but bottom line is it's a bad, no, terrible idea in my opinion.[/h]

Well at the very least, I can't think of a food or drug that does, or ever would, require more stringent regulations. Certainly wouldn't be easy, but I don't think the legal technicalities of it should be enough of a reason to warrant not having a suicide pill.

[font=Verdana][color=green]I've been chewing over your post for quite some time, just thinking how best to respond to it.

Well, for starters, I don't think it's prudent to bring in religion to this discussion. What I'm talking about is the societies collective morals, as a whole, not a particular group's morals. There is a key difference in the two.

Also, your example isn't a very good example to highlight your point about supporting euthanasia. In that example, the law was rejected, and as such, never had any effect on your rights. If it had passed, and then was repealed, then it would be a lot stronger.

However, one thing that I must make absolutely clear to everyone here; there is no right to death. You argue that morals shouldn't have any effect on your rights; I agree also. But, without a right to death, these laws not being enacted aren't a restriction on your rights. They're just simply nothing; therefore I don't see the need for people to get so angry about it. If the case was that a law prevented euthanasia, then I can understand.

Quite interestingly, I think it might be quite worthy to note that, in England and Wales, there's a crime called Suicide Pact. It is kinda explained in the name; you agree to commit suicide with someone else. In the situation that they die and you don't, you're liable for their death. Also, as I believe is noted above, the current stance of the English law is that a doctor cannot take positive steps to someone's death; but they can take negative steps instead.

While I agree that religion doesn't need to muck up the discussion of the OPs topic, I do believe religious factions have too much to do with law making in the United States. Try running for office as an atheist and see how far you get, but that point is quite obvious honestly.

And you're right, I walked into this topic with a complete different mindful of thoughts when I see 'suicide pill' compared to a lot of other people in this discussion. I went in immediately picturing euthanasia, however many people flat out said 'no' because they pictured it being 'in the black market' and 'too easy to get' for depressed teenagers and extreme roofies.

You don't need a magical 'suicide pill' in order to slip someone their final meal/drink. There are plenty of drugs out there already - so you can be rest assured.. or, well, not be.

However, I remember looking into euthanasia and doctors do have a valid argument, they didn't go into medicine to assist people in their grave. They came in order to help people heal and get better. I can't hold that against any doctor.

I am just simply answering the ops question, whether he specifically meant euthanasia or an over the counter end your life drug.

Do I agree with euthanasia? Yes. Should it be okay? Yes. Should doctors be required in the future to do such practices? No. Why? It's their right to decide whether it's a practice they choose just like it's a veterinarian's decision whether to euthanize animals or not. Did I just compared a doctor ending a person's life to an animals? Yes.

Off topic guys..... clarifying the effect of the pills


NO?...... actually you will feel pain. You will vomit, get dizzy, stomach ache heart attack... you really actually feel the pain... ( it's just that taking a wrong prescription of drugs or just overdose you will feel the pain....)

Not as painful?

I would rather rest in peace then rest in pain

If some crazy bastard wants to take his/her life I see no reason for us to stop them unless they try to take someone else with them.

Doesn't matter and should not matter. If someone truly wanted to die, they'd kill themselves or put themselves in a dangerous situation. If people don't want to die, they'll continue on to live. This "suicide pill" should only be brought to the suicidal who have no will to live and cannot kill themselves. Should they kill themselves? I don't think so. Do I respect their decision enough to not try to stop them when they end their own life? I'd try everything in my power to convince them otherwise but the decision ultimately falls on them.

Suicide Pills? Fucking give them to me, I'll down them in a second!

*Calms down*
At least its better than Slice n Dice

I still say that the suicide pills would be used for malicious intentions and would basically become an assassination poison.

This just makes me think of Apotoxin 4869. Just imagine the side effects warning label. Warning: You might survive and feel worse after you failed at yet another thing.

In my opinion, pointless. If the patient has to get a prescription for it, they might as well take a length of rope and just hang themselves. No need to go outside for it. Worst case scenario, they get home to take the drug, but suddenly don't feel suicidal anymore. The person leaves the drug unattended and then some kid sees it. Kid eats it, person goes to jail for involuntary manslaughter where he is no longer in access of any forms of suicide other than through self bodily harm.

No, because I feel that it'll encourage more people to commit suicide.

So many people need to die in this world if anyone wants to we should just encourage it.

It should be as painless as possible, just like putting down a controller. You shouldn't have to throw it across the room to quit a game.