The Fourth Layer: Ideological Subversion
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One Question: What do you think?
To me this answers many questions, especially in regards that any form of cover-up does not need to be foolproof. That even with true information - you cannot do anything with it.
Reminds me of several things...but i'm too afraid to be labeled a conspiracy theorist in the process...
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Flaser
OCD Hentai Collector
This is Reagan era pure, unadulterated bullshit that equates fight for social justice with being a "Dirty Commie" or worse, an unwitting pawn of Dirty Commies... utter bullshit.
Yes, the liberals of the West were by and large held delusions about what the Soviet Union was, however the issues they were fighting for at home - racial equality, keeping corporate power and the rich in check - were anything but.
Yes, the liberals of the West were by and large held delusions about what the Soviet Union was, however the issues they were fighting for at home - racial equality, keeping corporate power and the rich in check - were anything but.
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Actually it was even worse in the 1930s. According to contemporary leftist newspapers in the UK, the great famine never happened, and Stalin's massive purges were, at worst, rounding up and "disposing of disruptive elements".
Journalists and politicians who traveled to the Soviet Union--such as Walter Duranty and Edouard Herriot--were shown "model villages" prepared for tourists by stocking them with food and healthy cattle, while people were dying of starvation in the same region. Any news of food shortages that made it out of the country were blamed on counter-revolutionary wreckers.
In fact, the propaganda surrounding the famine and purges were one of the main inspirations for George Orwell when he wrote Animal Farm. He had recently escaped from the Spanish Civil War, where his Marxist/Trotskist workers party was liquidated by the soviet-backed PUSC, and its leader executed by Soviet NKVD agents under Alexander Orlov.
When he returned to England, he found the the left-wing newspapers were full of Russian press releases claiming that the purge successfully eliminated "anti-revolutionary elements".
So yes, the Soviet Union was amazingly good at propaganda and misinformation, and used it internally and externally on a scale we can only see in North Korea today.
And yes, left-wing intellectuals such as HG Wells were unwitting pawns or "useful idiots" in these campaigns. Good leftists own up to it and learn from it. Bad ones pretend it never happened.
Journalists and politicians who traveled to the Soviet Union--such as Walter Duranty and Edouard Herriot--were shown "model villages" prepared for tourists by stocking them with food and healthy cattle, while people were dying of starvation in the same region. Any news of food shortages that made it out of the country were blamed on counter-revolutionary wreckers.
In fact, the propaganda surrounding the famine and purges were one of the main inspirations for George Orwell when he wrote Animal Farm. He had recently escaped from the Spanish Civil War, where his Marxist/Trotskist workers party was liquidated by the soviet-backed PUSC, and its leader executed by Soviet NKVD agents under Alexander Orlov.
When he returned to England, he found the the left-wing newspapers were full of Russian press releases claiming that the purge successfully eliminated "anti-revolutionary elements".
So yes, the Soviet Union was amazingly good at propaganda and misinformation, and used it internally and externally on a scale we can only see in North Korea today.
And yes, left-wing intellectuals such as HG Wells were unwitting pawns or "useful idiots" in these campaigns. Good leftists own up to it and learn from it. Bad ones pretend it never happened.
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Flaser wrote...
This is Reagan era pure, unadulterated bullshit that equates fight for social justice with being a "Dirty Commie" or worse, an unwitting pawn of Dirty Commies... utter bullshit.Yes, the liberals of the West were by and large held delusions about what the Soviet Union was, however the issues they were fighting for at home - racial equality, keeping corporate power and the rich in check - were anything but.
I think i should say foremost of what i think this video and it's form of interpretation. (and why it interested me so much that i made a post of it in the first place.)
At first glance most of what Flaser said was right - it is bullshit, and at most if taken literally of what was discussed this feels like a generic form of propaganda.
However Flaser, this is where my point of view becomes a little different: once i watched it once more, i realised that what interested me about this video was not what Yuri was initially saying about US/USSR/Conspiracy/Conflict but the concept/idea of the 4 steps.
You might be suprised, but my interest lies not in the political/consipray advocacy of the video but about the ideas of Crowd psychology it had in hand, which reminded me of Sun Tzu's the Art of War.
Regadless wether it be true or not, or real or not it tantalizes me to think, that there might be another way of thinking about information in general.
That in it struck me if this is indeed possible: that information by itself - ultimately - is useless, and that even when given valid information, be it from any source or in any form, the validity of that information is ultimately powerless under the bias of society which surronds it.
Politics aside, its' the idea of thinking outside the box, that beyond information - scepticism & speculation rule.
And we see it everyday.
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Buruneko wrote...
That in it struck me if this is indeed possible: that information by itself - ultimately - is useless, and that even when given valid information, be it from any source or in any form, the validity of that information is ultimately powerless under the bias of society which surronds it.Most people miss is the fact there is no such thing as objective information. Every tidbit of information you are fed throughout the day is bias to some degree or another. If you turn on your t.v. you're bombarded with party/company backed talking heads who all parrot the same talking points as they bicker with each other. If You try to Google a relevant new sites you're forced to sift through thousands upon thousands of idiots who managed to get a website and can post without impunity all the Liberal/Conservative propaganda their hearts can muster. You try to look up objective statistics from various organizations you'll soon realize those numbers are skewed towards a political objective.
I used to fear that we were living in George Orwell's 1984 but, now I believe we're living in Aldus Huxley's Brave New World. In other words, drowning in a sea of irrelevance while being enslaved by that which we love.