The rape of nanking
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Brittany
FAKKU Production Mngr
Yamazaki Rojin wrote...
Ziggy wrote...
I think the knowledge for history like this is important, but to an extent as well - for both the victims and ones responsible. There's education, and then there's grudges.This would probably be a bad time to state this, especially now that rep is back ;p
The holocaust is a good example on an event where almost everybody is educated on, and it was a large scale event. Though times have changed and people have moved on. I come from a German settlement in America in Pennsylvania and have a strong German background. I've had Jewish friends and not once have I ever felt responsible or have they ever felt victimized by my heritage being present. Nor has it ever been a topic. The holocaust is a respected event of something everyone should remember of 'what not to do' in the future. Unfortunately there are still hate groups such as Neo Nazi's who still carry on ideals that were in the past. Not quite the same, but it stems from the same root.
Slavery is an example of an ongoing event where there are still grudges, hatred, and the feeling of being victimized. A large handful of black African American's still feel that they are treated unfairly, they are hated on for their color, and bare grudges to white American's. There are also many cases where that card is played unjustifiably. Again, unfortunately there are still hate groups out there such as Neo Nazi's, KKK, skinheads, etc who have a biased hatred towards a different colored race. It's an ongoing situation, and that's all I can really say.
I have never been to Japan, and I have never really known any true Japanese folk. However, when I think of Japan I think of a lot of pride. Japan may be ashamed to what has happened in the past, I do not believe this is an excuse to not educate people from what has occurred in the past, because learning from the past is important.
But LD said it very well, people are very patriotic about their countries, and every single country has something shameful to remember about. Whether it be their fault, whether they were victimized, or just downright wrong. It's hard for, especially older generations to accept something that happened during their time. If I had been part of WWII, alive and in Germany instead of the United States - I wouldn't speak the same about the holocaust. I would feel 1 of 2 things: Shame and regret or continued hatred.
Got Alot of Experience there Ziggy.. hey that is my cousins name.."Ziggy"
I'm sorry, experience?
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Ok, the rape of nanking was bad, but worse than the jewish genocide? there u r sorely wrong. How is 200k> 5.7 million? Because those are the casualties of the Genocide. U think 100's of beheadings is brutal? look up Atilla the Hun, he would take a city, behead every 1 in the city, then burn there beheaded heads in a mountain of heads. The rape of Nanking was trajic, but it dosent fall into the catigory of truly brutal.
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sv51macross wrote...
Probably because nothing really came of it. It was a relatively small (by numbers) incident and it had no effect on the war or the cultures of either side.That is true, like the other brutal human events.
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The only positive thing that comes from this atrocity will be the decreased chances of this happening again... And even then when you think about noone actually considers the atrocities made in ancient times 'touching' (if you get my meaning) , this will probably be forgotten too in 50 or 100 years or so. History repeats itself, beacuse humanity repeats itself. So much for getting a permanent lesson from all the deaths caused by human hands.
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It was a bad but there's not enough paper in the world to speak of the atrocity's of war. Im not saying we should just forget it ever happen but maybe time and energy would be better spent trying to make sure it never happens again.
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xesias wrote...
i was reading a history book called "the rape of nanking"basically about the Japanese occupation of the Chinese village of nanking
which was 10X worse the brutality of the Holocaust I'm talking about beheading contest that reached the 100s and Japanese soldiers forcing sons to rape theres mothers and fathers to rape there daughters and of course Japanese raping Chinese and Japanese mutilating the Chinese. It was so bad a Nazi offered help to the Chinese, and whats worse is that no one nowadays knows about it the Japanese refuse it ever happened even when presented with pictures the Japanese vets don't talk about it
So i guess what I'm getting at is why the rape of nanking has been overlooked in our educational curriculum?
I learned about this in my history class, so it's not exactly being overlooked. Though, I suppose by "our" you mean Japanese. I'm American, so I guess you could say it would be odd if we didn't teach our young about the bad, bad Japs (playing, please understand that that was sarcasm).
I reference the Mukden Incident as often as I can.
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thegreatnobody wrote...
Is there a translated version of that book? I'm gonna buy a copy.Btw, the japanese were cruel with practically everybody during the world war. Here in the philippines, luckily we had kinder soldiers here. We just got our women raped and our men beheaded. They probably were kinder to us because they were trying to convince us to join them. They even tried to convert us from Christianity to Shintoism.
I don't know why they were thoroughly brutal with the Chinese, but what I know is among the japanese, they treat you a traitor if you show "unnecessary" mercy.
Plus the Chinese got Ip Man, so no worries.
Ip man did kick sum serous japanese ass
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dr roxo wrote...
Ok, the rape of nanking was bad, but worse than the jewish genocide? there u r sorely wrong. How is 200k> 5.7 million? Because those are the casualties of the Genocide. U think 100's of beheadings is brutal? look up Atilla the Hun, he would take a city, behead every 1 in the city, then burn there beheaded heads in a mountain of heads. The rape of Nanking was trajic, but it dosent fall into the catigory of truly brutal.Well thats opioned based the quantity of nankind does not excede the jewish genocide but the way of death was in my opion much more brutal and shoving katanas and poles up chinese womans pussies defenitly qualifies for my truly brutal catigory
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xesias wrote...
dr roxo wrote...
Ok, the rape of nanking was bad, but worse than the jewish genocide? there u r sorely wrong. How is 200k> 5.7 million? Because those are the casualties of the Genocide. U think 100's of beheadings is brutal? look up Atilla the Hun, he would take a city, behead every 1 in the city, then burn there beheaded heads in a mountain of heads. The rape of Nanking was trajic, but it dosent fall into the catigory of truly brutal.Well thats opioned based the quantity of nankind does not excede the jewish genocide but the way of death was in my opion much more brutal and shoving katanas and poles up chinese womans pussies defenitly qualifies for my truly brutal catigory
True, but where the Japanese where focused on murder, the Nazi doctors where focused on how far they could push the human body through experimentation. And that's putting it nicely.
Dr. Roxo, it does qualify as "truly brutal." Obviously they were exaggerating by comparing it to Nazi war-crimes. And lets not just focus on the jews here- gays, gypsies, disabled, twins (very popular) etc.
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Ever wonder there's someone that's behind all of those brutality that the Japs' done ? Like Japs version of Hitler maybe ?
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haphon wrote...
Ever wonder there's someone that's behind all of those brutality that the Japs' done ? Like Japs version of Hitler maybe ?General Yamashita. He stole so much gold and hid it somewhere in South East Asia (most say Philippines, because they made a settlement here while trying to convince us to join them)
He raped, he stole, he killed. Yamashita's the guy you're definitely looking for.
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I remember few years back it was revealed that the Japanese WAS NOT teaching this in their curriculum, the Chinese pressed hard for them to apologize and admit what they did in Nanking. The Japanese agreed but after a while there appeared to be no change and that made the Chinese rage and pretty much banned most Japansese related productfor a while. That year i went back to China and it was pretty hard to look for things to buy.
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I've read about Nanking and I can honestly think of no worse atrocity in terms of intensity. The whole raping babies while impaling them on spikes thing... there's a point where the whole savage slaughter/rape scale doesn't get any worse.
I am confused on how it could have been allowed to happen.
I am confused on how it could have been allowed to happen.
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1. Nanking (or Nanjing as it is known now)was not a village. It was the Capital of the Nationalist Government during World War II.
2. Yes, Japan refuse to admit that this ever happened.
3. Again, yes, we Chinese still hate Japan to the core.
4. No, we still like anime and hentai.
5. I don't know if it is being overlooked everywhere else in the world, but at least MOST Chinese are taught about it in school.
2. Yes, Japan refuse to admit that this ever happened.
3. Again, yes, we Chinese still hate Japan to the core.
4. No, we still like anime and hentai.
5. I don't know if it is being overlooked everywhere else in the world, but at least MOST Chinese are taught about it in school.
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Transport wrote...
5. I don't know if it is being overlooked everywhere else in the world, but at least MOST Chinese are taught about it in school.I can assuage your worries; in most parts of the civilized world, Nanking is as much a symbol of Imperial Japanese barbarity as Auschwitz is symbolic of Hitlerite German savagery, or Kolyma is of Stalinist atrocities.
The reason for it not being taught in certain nations is a matter of opportunism, as LD said. Japan had good reason to look away, and the U.S. wanted Japan as an ally against the reds. Until 1968, German massacres were hushed up in quite the same way, because (west) Germany was being installed as a key NATO ally. Only once the social upheavals of the late 60s led to a massive confrontation of Germany with its dark history, Hitlerite atrocities came to such prominence and led to the present-day Cult of Guilt; such a thing simply never happened in Japan.
(And like things were done on the other side; Stalin's Secret Ukas 553 of 1948 effective immediately buried all German, Hungarian, Romanian and Croatian atrocities committed in war-time, because he wished to install (east) Germany, Hungary, Romania and Croatia as satellite states)
we probably don't see public propagandas in Israel against Germans,
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nor in China against the Japanese.
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Probably because nothing really came of it. It was a relatively small (by numbers) incident and it had no effect on the war or the cultures of either side.
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The rape of Nanking was trajic, but it dosent fall into the catigory of truly brutal.
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Ok, the rape of nanking was bad, but worse than the jewish genocide? there u r sorely wrong. How is 200k> 5.7 million? Because those are the casualties of the Genocide.
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dr roxo wrote...
Ok, the rape of nanking was bad, but worse than the jewish genocide? there u r sorely wrong. How is 200k> 5.7 million? Because those are the casualties of the Genocide. U think 100's of beheadings is brutal? look up Atilla the Hun, he would take a city, behead every 1 in the city, then burn there beheaded heads in a mountain of heads. The rape of Nanking was trajic, but it dosent fall into the catigory of truly brutal.Nobody said (well I least I think nobody said) that it was worse than the Jewish genocide. Yes, 5.7 million > 200k, but that doesn't mean it was more morally wrong. The Rape of Nanking was very brutal. Thousands of women were raped and killed. Up to two hundred thousand civilians were killed. The Japanese forced some families to commit incest. After rapes, the soldiers would often kill the women through extreme mutilation and stabbing bayonets and bamboo sticks into their vaginas. So please don't say this wasn't brutal. Lots of sick people did really sick things. My friend's great-grandparents were lucky to survive the event. My great-grandparents were in the Philippines during WW2. Lots of sick things happened there too, but nothing as horrific as the events that took place in Nanking.
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GiantTunaFish wrote...
Nobody said (well I least I think nobody said) that it was worse than the Jewish genocide.
I didn't say that.
Also, in addition, every woman at the time were "comfort women" for the Japanese (please don't call them Japs because that's considered racism). Its either you hope the Japanese doesn't have a taste of your type, or you run away to provinces. Manila, the capital of the Philippines, was the worse place to be in that time for a woman. The Japanese made University of Sto. Tomas (or UST, oldest university in asia, as far as I know) was made into their headquarters/torture chamber/rape and orgy house.
Even till now, the Main Building gives me the creeps everytime I go there (studied there, plus our house is practically in front of the university) plus there are rumors of ghosts of raped nuns, beheaded priests, and mutilated women.