What Determines Worth?
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[font=Tahoma]Each person is unique and special. All of us have our own gifts to give as we pass through life on this planet. When we are in touch with ourselves--who we are, what we feel, what we need, what we love and enjoy--then that special gift can be expressed. When life is full of 'have-tos' and 'shoulds' and trying to measure up to external standards, it is impossible to be in touch with ourselves or that inner gift. They become obscured by the busy-ness of trying to be different from how we are. But, by honoring ourselves exactly as we are, the bad with the good, that inner gift is brought back to the forefront and is allowed expression. The net effect is the same whether our perspective is from a psychological framework and is called self-esteem, or from a spiritual framework and is called Higher Self, Higher Power, or the God Within[/font]
What is your view on the Worth of a human.
What is your view on the Worth of a human.
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http://edition.cnn.com/2012/06/12/opinion/granderson-not-special/index.html
http://www.naturalnews.com/036121_graduation_speech_special.html
Honestly, too many people already think they're the hot shit who's indispensable to the world. This line of thinking has led to the supreme selfishness demonstrated by nearly everyone, but the worst offenders are the people from rich countries, people who grew up in a pampered environment.
http://www.naturalnews.com/036121_graduation_speech_special.html
You are not special. You are not exceptional.
Contrary to what your u9 soccer trophy suggests, your glowing seventh grade report card, despite every assurance of a certain corpulent purple dinosaur, that nice Mister Rogers and your batty Aunt Sylvia, no matter how often your maternal caped crusader has swooped in to save you... you're nothing special.
Yes, you've been pampered, cosseted, doted upon, helmeted, bubble-wrapped. Yes, capable adults with other things to do have held you, kissed you, fed you, wiped your mouth, wiped your bottom, trained you, taught you, tutored you, coached you, listened to you, counseled you, encouraged you, consoled you and encouraged you again. You've been nudged, cajoled, wheedled and implored. You've been feted and fawned over and called sweetie pie. Yes, you have. And, certainly, we've been to your games, your plays, your recitals, your science fairs. Absolutely, smiles ignite when you walk into a room, and hundreds gasp with delight at your every tweet. Why, maybe you've even had your picture in the Townsman! And now you've conquered high school... and, indisputably, here we all have gathered for you, the pride and joy of this fine community, the first to emerge from that magnificent new building...
But do not get the idea you're anything special. Because you're not.
Contrary to what your u9 soccer trophy suggests, your glowing seventh grade report card, despite every assurance of a certain corpulent purple dinosaur, that nice Mister Rogers and your batty Aunt Sylvia, no matter how often your maternal caped crusader has swooped in to save you... you're nothing special.
Yes, you've been pampered, cosseted, doted upon, helmeted, bubble-wrapped. Yes, capable adults with other things to do have held you, kissed you, fed you, wiped your mouth, wiped your bottom, trained you, taught you, tutored you, coached you, listened to you, counseled you, encouraged you, consoled you and encouraged you again. You've been nudged, cajoled, wheedled and implored. You've been feted and fawned over and called sweetie pie. Yes, you have. And, certainly, we've been to your games, your plays, your recitals, your science fairs. Absolutely, smiles ignite when you walk into a room, and hundreds gasp with delight at your every tweet. Why, maybe you've even had your picture in the Townsman! And now you've conquered high school... and, indisputably, here we all have gathered for you, the pride and joy of this fine community, the first to emerge from that magnificent new building...
But do not get the idea you're anything special. Because you're not.
Honestly, too many people already think they're the hot shit who's indispensable to the world. This line of thinking has led to the supreme selfishness demonstrated by nearly everyone, but the worst offenders are the people from rich countries, people who grew up in a pampered environment.
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[color=#2e1a6b]It doesn't look like this is what your talking about, but I'll say this anyways:
In general, a person's life must be valued very highly. It is something that we must strive to protect and preserve. When a society abandons this principle and says that not everyone's life is of value, that society becomes willing terminate that "worthless" life whenever it sees fit. What if we thought that newborn babies had no worth? What if we thought that old people had no worth? These ideas have been brought forth to our society as a direct result of not acknowledging the worth of a person.
In general, a person's life must be valued very highly. It is something that we must strive to protect and preserve. When a society abandons this principle and says that not everyone's life is of value, that society becomes willing terminate that "worthless" life whenever it sees fit. What if we thought that newborn babies had no worth? What if we thought that old people had no worth? These ideas have been brought forth to our society as a direct result of not acknowledging the worth of a person.
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Well quite frankly, all I can say is that we might possibly, and I say possibly, be unique, if that can still be perceived through the mass formatting of society. Of course, our personal experiences make us unique from each other, memories, decisions made long ago. Assuredly, you aren't the same person as the one right next to you. But you aren't that dissimilar. You are, just like them, formatted to a certain extent by society, and whatever experience you might have had, another, ten thousand, one million others, will have had the same one experience. Not the same exactly, but one close enough that it would have the same effects. That is is your past experiences concorded in the same way, which is short of impossible.
But no matter how you look at it, you are not perceptively unique. You might be unique in slight ways that do not affect your global interaction with society. But these are minor things. On a global scale, you are but a slightly more angular or smoother stone on a beach.
And you aren't special. The day I knew I wasn't was when my mother told me my IQ meant I was "gifted". How many "gifted" people are there? Millions. Our ways are vaguely similar t those that our relatives/friends/surrounding people have taken. Might differ, and might change a whole lot.
We might have different abilities or maybe its easier for us to do something. But thats also the case for millions of other people around the world.
As for the worth of an individual, I'd say that one has worth that which he proves to another, and that "worth" is only valuable to the one that sees it in the person.
I know I am not worthy in the eyes of many, and a little in the eyes of few, and that it is much easier to loose worth than to gain some.
But no matter how you look at it, you are not perceptively unique. You might be unique in slight ways that do not affect your global interaction with society. But these are minor things. On a global scale, you are but a slightly more angular or smoother stone on a beach.
And you aren't special. The day I knew I wasn't was when my mother told me my IQ meant I was "gifted". How many "gifted" people are there? Millions. Our ways are vaguely similar t those that our relatives/friends/surrounding people have taken. Might differ, and might change a whole lot.
We might have different abilities or maybe its easier for us to do something. But thats also the case for millions of other people around the world.
As for the worth of an individual, I'd say that one has worth that which he proves to another, and that "worth" is only valuable to the one that sees it in the person.
I know I am not worthy in the eyes of many, and a little in the eyes of few, and that it is much easier to loose worth than to gain some.
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Lughost
the Lugoat
Human beings are not special. We are animals that glorify ourselves so that we can feel special. All we accomplish in our lives is finding new ways to destroy our surroundings or recycle old ones. I personally believe that human society is the greatest blight to the planet Earth.
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What does man actually know about himself?
Can't say anything better than that.
Are designations congruent with things? Is language the adequate expression of all realities?
Nietzsche means that one meaning doesn't really say anything about one object. Some people say morbid, I say 'huh?'. Some say 'Oh my God!', I say 'Meh'. Same can be said about the value of humanity. Humans are great and beings with great potential, and that potential is arbitrary because there is only the human definition of good and evil and not the universe's.
Whatever has value in our world now does not have value in itself, according to its nature — nature is always value-less, but has been given value at some time, as a present — and it was we who gave and bestowed it.
Back to the point, humans have no value, only the value they place in themselves in others. I think everyone has an initial value, if I am unbiased, and has a chance to change their value for better or worse. I honestly believe I have no value at all and that I shall use this small life to protect other's.
Humanity's value is not something any one person can take, be they in any position. Our value is something we have to make instead of measure, if that makes any sense.
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ToyManC
Forgot my safe word
Each person is an individual, and might deserve a certain level of respect, but to say that everyone is 'special' dilutes the notion to the point of meaninglessness. If everyone is special, then no one is special.
The worth of a person is so subjective that it is impossible to quantify it in any meaningful way. If a person's life were capable of being given a price tag, then it would inevitably lead to issues of discrimination and abuse. Unfortunately, this world is full of people who would use such information to further their own political or financial agendas. Therefore, it is better to avoid such area of thought.
Grenouille88 said:
We are, indeed, our own worst enemy, and too often driven by selfish desire to our self-destruction. It remains to be seen if we will ever mature as a race to the point we are no longer a danger to ourselves, and the rest of the planet. A rather unlikely prospect, in my opinion.
The worth of a person is so subjective that it is impossible to quantify it in any meaningful way. If a person's life were capable of being given a price tag, then it would inevitably lead to issues of discrimination and abuse. Unfortunately, this world is full of people who would use such information to further their own political or financial agendas. Therefore, it is better to avoid such area of thought.
Grenouille88 said:
Human beings are not special. We are animals that glorify ourselves so that we can feel special. All we accomplish in our lives is finding new ways to destroy our surroundings or recycle old ones. I personally believe that human society is the greatest blight to the planet Earth.
We are, indeed, our own worst enemy, and too often driven by selfish desire to our self-destruction. It remains to be seen if we will ever mature as a race to the point we are no longer a danger to ourselves, and the rest of the planet. A rather unlikely prospect, in my opinion.
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Iluminati does! Jokes aside:
I would agree with
I would agree with
Sprite wrote...
Almost everything is subjective. It's all in the eyes of the beholder. What ever may be worth a lot to you is worth shit to me.
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Livided
FAKKU Writer
luvyduv wrote...
Your actions, and your actions alone, determines your worth (ï½¥ωï½¥).What I think was said perfectlty so I will just qoute and agree. :)
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I think that a desire or demand for someones 'services' or unique skill set determines worth.
Aesthetics also play a large part in determining worth too. For example if you've got two running backs who do the same job and have similar statistics then you might look at who is the bigger back, Whos slightly more elusive, Whos more temperamental/injury prone or even which ones more intimidating. There are a lot of factors and intangibles to consider when determining worth.
People are like any other product. You look at what they can do first of all, Then their value (How well they can do the 'job' you've assigned them/How safe, reliable and agreeable an investment they are) and lastly how the color/design suits you. (For right or wrong everybodys got different 'aesthetic values' whether people care to admit it or not, Thats my opinion)
Aesthetics also play a large part in determining worth too. For example if you've got two running backs who do the same job and have similar statistics then you might look at who is the bigger back, Whos slightly more elusive, Whos more temperamental/injury prone or even which ones more intimidating. There are a lot of factors and intangibles to consider when determining worth.
People are like any other product. You look at what they can do first of all, Then their value (How well they can do the 'job' you've assigned them/How safe, reliable and agreeable an investment they are) and lastly how the color/design suits you. (For right or wrong everybodys got different 'aesthetic values' whether people care to admit it or not, Thats my opinion)
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Akaoni21 wrote...
I think that a desire or demand for someones 'services' or unique skill set determines worth.By that definition, babies, children, and practically every teenager have no worth. as they have no unique skills nor offer any services.
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fatman wrote...
Akaoni21 wrote...
I think that a desire or demand for someones 'services' or unique skill set determines worth.By that definition, babies, children, and practically every teenager have no worth. as they have no unique skills nor offer any services.
Who says that children cant be talented and thus have worth? Don't football clubs sign 6 year olds to youth academies because of their potential? Cant babies be aesthetically pleasing/"Talented" enough to be advertising products on TV?
Everybody has worth, Even old people who cant necessarily work anymore have valuable life experience to draw upon!
You've got to learn about a person to discover their true value but I will say that practically everybodys discussed zombie apocalypse scenarios... Who would they save:~ The healthy 20-30 something who could instantly help you out, the 84 year old grandmother or the 3 year old child?
Thats because people generally do judge a persons worth first by what 'services' they possess or the qualities/unique skills they bring to the table. I mean who would you save given that scenario?
Its all about 'needs' and 'wants'.
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Though actions determine worth its the significance of the actions, doing house hold chores while your sibling is working of course people will see your sibling has a lot more worth than you because she/he is making money. Its always the significance of your actions that matters no matter what or no matter what kind of actions you do.
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I will apologize ahead of time if this sounds sarcastic or condesending, that is not the intent. It merely stems from my inability to adapt the way I talk into type and carry the same meaning. These are not my true feelings on the topic, but I only wish to continue the conversation.
What exactly do you get with worth. For example, for sake of argument by the chooser's subjective standards (or even objectively if possible) Jimmy is found to be worthier than James, so given Sophie's choice does that mean Jimmy gets to live? Where do you cash in our worth. Is worth like the stock market? Does your price fluctuate based off what people are willing to pay. There exists a person A such that if they called me at this moment (about 1:30 am) I would rush to my car and to their aid, and there exists a person B such that in the same situation I would say good luck and good night. So where Worth(x) is x's worth, for me Worthme(A) > Worthme(B). Yet more than likely for B it follows that WorthB(A) < WorthB(B). Yet if there are k people that feel the same as I and j people that feel the same as B, where k < j. Than can it not be argued objectively that in the sense of the word worth being other peoples willingness to assist a certain person that Worthk(A) < Worthj(B) do to the case that there are more people that would be willing to go out of their way to help B over A.
TL;DR: If you are willing to accept as a definition of worth as the extent that other people are willing to help the person whose value is in question then could we not establish an objective worth?
What exactly do you get with worth. For example, for sake of argument by the chooser's subjective standards (or even objectively if possible) Jimmy is found to be worthier than James, so given Sophie's choice does that mean Jimmy gets to live? Where do you cash in our worth. Is worth like the stock market? Does your price fluctuate based off what people are willing to pay. There exists a person A such that if they called me at this moment (about 1:30 am) I would rush to my car and to their aid, and there exists a person B such that in the same situation I would say good luck and good night. So where Worth(x) is x's worth, for me Worthme(A) > Worthme(B). Yet more than likely for B it follows that WorthB(A) < WorthB(B). Yet if there are k people that feel the same as I and j people that feel the same as B, where k < j. Than can it not be argued objectively that in the sense of the word worth being other peoples willingness to assist a certain person that Worthk(A) < Worthj(B) do to the case that there are more people that would be willing to go out of their way to help B over A.
TL;DR: If you are willing to accept as a definition of worth as the extent that other people are willing to help the person whose value is in question then could we not establish an objective worth?
