what happens after we die?

Forget the argument from ignorance, read the "argument from incredulity" part.
For example:



The context is reincarnation, and how you believe the consciousness has to persist even after death. My retort was precisely on point.

Ok, I'll just do like this instead. Let's ignore everything that has been said and so, no importance anymore.

Tell me exactly why "Nothingness" is the more logical belief.

When I get back I want a scientific, logical reason for why any other belief is "superstition" and why you do not realize that you do the same as you say I do: You take your belief from absolutely nothing and say that it is more likely the truth. Now I'm gonna go play PW. =/

Stop trying to disassociate a being's consciousness and their soul.

Both are relevant to eachother even if irrelevant on the point that one is spiritual and one is commonsense and scientific. but i digress. the human consciousness dies, but the soul 'exists' to carry all of your existence to where ever 'there' may be.

and on the point of reincarnation your a bit wrong there...

its like finishing a book, then destroying it. and then restarting with a different book. but. you keep all the pages of the last book in the back of the book on the last page. but with no memory of it. but at one point you may remember those pages, some or all. and thats a big no-no.

and another thing about reincarnation is that when the 'soul' carries over to a new corporeal existence, you retain most of your 'habits' that made 'you' in the past existence. so a man reincarnated as a woman can retain the habits of a drunkard or have a rough personality.

the final point of incarnation is why we reincarnate. the very obvious reason is 'unfulfillment in life', very close to 'to obtain nirvana'. though there are reasons thought out, specially from books or ideas.

btw im stupid plz dont listen to me. a young guy who thinks hes 100 years old down to the bone. oops im too late. and i just made a fool of myself haha!

oh and nothingness is considered what everyone will be after death.

'Dust to dust.'

As I see it, a soul has nothing to do with it. This isn't about Hinduism reincarnation nor Nirvana. This is how I see it. Actually, it might not be considered "reincarnation" at all, since that is being reborn. That is not what I believe.

Theres God for me so i belive in the afterlife.Its not bad to believe in something bigger than ourselves,that human nature.

i never said it was hinduism or to obtain nirvana. and in the case of to obtain nirvana, i said the reason is why is close to it.

also this expresses part of my belief on reincarnation and what i read about it

in hinduism reincarnation, you completely forget everything in your past life and start anew. you repeat life until you obtain 'nirvana'. the sense of enlightment and end of your life. which is indeed no point for reincarnation afterwards.

for since you have nirvana, which is ironically to become empty and yet fulfullied at the same time, your 'soul' becomes part of the universe. and thats the scary thing. you return to 'nothingness'.

... You're completely just reading what you want to read, don't you? I said, this is nothing like "reincarnation" in the meaning you speak of. I haven't talked anything about the cycle of the soul at all. There is no "past life" in what I speak of. I know very well what Hindusim, reincarnation and Nirvana is about without you telling me, but as I said, that is a whole other concept, which has nothing to do with what I'm talking about here.

This link accurately depicts the afterlife: Click Here For Enlightenment.

O.O. My eyes hurt because its sooooo clean and silent.

Well... people do claim they see a bright white light.. I just never guessed it came from a monitor :P

Let's not. There are things that need to be addressed:





It is the reasoning that led you to your conclusion that is fallacious. Not only that, but you base your conclusion on personal incredulity and some random assumptions that you made up.

To reach a conclusion, we start with premises. You say:

You have that half right. I start the path to my conclusion with the premise that the material brain is enough to explain the existence of consciousness and that consciousness is effected by what happens to the brain (which is bolstered by scientific evidence). Through proper logical progression, I can assume that if the brain stopped operating, all that made a person think, feel, or see would stop as well. At this point, I come to the conclusion that when a person dies, the consciousness dies with them. I have arrived to a logical conclusion, but for some reason you don't even see it as a conclusion as you keep accusing me of "stopping at death." Maybe it's because you don't even accept it as an explanation (which it is) as you mentioned that:

Bet let me assure you, I have made that leap. I have not stopped with death, as my conclusion directly addresses what I believe happens with our consciousness after death. But why is this more logical than your view? Let's see what leads you to your conclusion (based on what you wrote in this thread):


therefore, your conclusion is:

Why does our consciousness have to go somewhere? Why do you have to start as a new consciousness? There is no evidence at all to support that premise. Then you progress to your conclusion by using fallacious logic; the classical argument from incredulity. Your conclusion ends up being based on something randomly made up and personal incredulity.


Have you ever been unconscious and not dreaming? Sure you have. This is where you can't experience sight, feeling, thought, or anything else a conscious person might experience. That is nothingness.

lol rbz, I thought you had enough of these stuff...

It's not like this is about religion or god.

You are wrong. What I said has to do with the link falacious reasoning that You sent, which says this:

"I personally cannot imagine a natural sequence of events whereby X could have come about. Therefore, it must have come about by supernatural means.".

Since you said that I should go by that text, I did indeed so, and there it says that it is all superstition. The "natural sequence" here is unknown in a way largely different from the existence of a ghost. I haven't pulled anything from my ass. First: ignore TAA, I just mentioned him for that quote and to say that the same kind of logic does not apply here as when talking about the non-existence of God. Second: I didn't realize saying "witch-burning" would make you butthurt, it was just an expression. And what I said about the majority: you can not ignore the fact that many western people fear being seen as religious now almost as much as they were to be seen like heretics long ago. Atheism is the New Christianity in that sense, or at least the more fanatic ones. But hey, I'm actually not talking shit about atheism, I do believe that it is the most logical response to most situations.

But, this is the thing. You still stop at death!



Yes, good job, that is true, and I know what happens When You Die just as well as you do. But as I've said a million times (or so it feels like), that is unimportant! Poof, the consciousness is gone. It is what happens after that which is important, not what happens with your body or your current consciousness, but the question if that is The End. You believe it is; fine. I do not believe that is how it is; you claim it is the logical way of thinking, but it is not. Since you cannot possibly know what happens, you choose to stop there and say "and then there is nothing", just dropping the entire thing. Instead of calling that logic, I'd call it "the simplest solution is always the best", because that is what it is about in this case.

Nothing wrong with that ofc, but as I said, it is not the death of the body that is important, it is if there is something more afterwards. And also, since you cannot possibly know what will happen, why not imagine a more interesting way? It is not like someone who dies will be disappointed and like "aaawh man, I though it was gonna be nothingness.. *sob*", though that is just my personal opinion.

And also... So you are telling me that "Nothingness" in terms of death is the same as being unconscious or sleeping without dreaming? -_- That is quite far away from not existing imho, but ok, if that is what you believe =)

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Edit: Maybe this is a better explanation of what I believe: I actually do believe in "nothingness" in a sense of meaning. When your body dies and your consciousness disappears, you are gone. The End. Nothing. And then a new being is born somewhere in the universe, and it's consciousness happens to be you! Not "You" as in the You you are now, but a completely new You. Fuck, it's hard to put it into words.

It will be like when you are asleep and not dreaming of anything, itll be like that forever. Without your brain, there is nothing, you wont be able to feel or think of anything.

In a way, its possible for us to be reborn, in a way... when the plants and worms have processed our corpse then gets consumed by another human and those elements are turned into a sperm or egg and then eventually becomes a new baby.

That is called an example. There are many other ways of committing this fallacy.

You have the need for something to happen after death. I've given you a reasonable and logical explanation, and yet you ignored what it meant and simply dismissed it with a "meh." Just because it isn't cool and exciting enough, you call it bullshit. It's like reason and logic zips right over your head, and you didn't even get a glimpse of it. Ya, I'm done here.

I didn't call it bullshit, I said it's not more likely than any other belief. It is you who says "meh" to what I say, since you cannot believe what you can't see. And that is understandable in most cases, I do the same; but you have not seen "nothingness" either.

If you think really hard about it Rbz, you should realize that "nothingness" isn't even a scientific or logical conclusion, it's just Your belief based upon assumptions. The scientific view of after death is that it is impossible to research anyway, and therefore a waste of time to argue about.

Ah well, if you're hurt there's no helping it. From the start this was supposed to a thread where you'd say what you believed, and it was not I who said your belief is untrue BS, it was you who said that to me. Then it should mean that you know the truth, shouldn't it?

Well im a christian so this is what i belive
If your dad accepted Christ as his saviour and asked for forgivness for his sins
Then he will be in a place called limbo ( or some technical name i cant remember)
And then when God judges the earth, and everyone whos died.
Your dad will go to heavan, were he will have enternal life, and where there is no pain or suffering, only joy and happiness.
Sorry if it sounds cheesy, but its what I beliveo

Who knows....maybe were already dead and were reliving our life over and over again