WhiteLion wrote...
If your argument is that any regulation automatically leads to universal healthcare, I don't buy it. Plenty of people are against universal healthcare, and there are good points ti be made there. And of course the specifics of the system are very important.
Not all but, our current gaggle of goons in power have a penchant for overdoing. I could tolerate "Obamacare" in the way one tolerates a sweat rash. I opposed the mandate which I believe violates my rights by forcing me to spend property ( capital and by extension by lifespan) to pay for this service that I do not want. They can build systems all they want so long as the people involved consent. If one person does not consent and can not opt out then it is a violation of a citizen's property rights.
What I don't see is how an unregulated free market is a good solution. In my first post, I explained why I thought the incentives in an unregulated free market would be problematic for those who need healthcare. I think there needs to be some regulation by the government to create a system that treats people reasonably and effectively.
No Libertarians or libertarians preach total anarchy, we're not anarcho-capitalist. Even libertarian schools agree with regulation but, the difference between your regulation and my regulation is very nuanced.
Question:
Would libertarians ever support environmental regulations? -Submitted by Trevor in Long Beach
Answer:
No. However, libertarianism implies very strict property rights protection and bans on dumping, elimination of public realms (privatization of all communal properties), as well as bans on the production of any negative externalities (like air pollution), so once these are made part of the legal system and public policy, most environmental matters should be successfully managed.
I'm curious to know how you think we should or shouldn't regulate healthcare. Should people who show up in the ER with no insurance be allowed to die? Would it be acceptable and fair for health insurance providers to place great burden on or deny insurance to those with pre-existing conditions?
From my perspective, you should buy insurance to cover major illnesses or accidents and that's all it should cover. If you go to the doctor for a pulled muscle then it should come out of your pocket (this is where local organizations and charities for lower income) would come into play. We already have organizations that give reading glasses to low income families. Why would people think that charities would spring up to help?
If you are uninsured then your options are using charities to help pay for your treatment (cancer survivors would obviously donate money to help other cancer patients) or by negotiating payment plans for your care. I'll have to finish this particular section at a later date but, overall people such as myself believe the prices would drop if we removed unnecessary regulation from the industry and focused the industry more on service + cost efficiency as opposed to universal systems. As the policies get's cheaper, more people will buy insurance thus reducing the burden and further driving the individual costs down. Somebody threw a wrench into the system and rather than remove the offending wrench we're talking about buying a whole new machine. That my friend doesn't make sense.
Lesson on why libertarians disdain Government regulation.
First and foremost, government regulators are no Gods, nor angels, but human beings every bit as susceptible to making mistakes and even being corrupted as are all those folks who work in the market place. The question, “And who will regulate the regulators?” hasn’t ever been answered satisfactorily because no one will. It is an irreparable situation–something for which Professor James Buchanan received the Nobel Prize when he and Gordon Tullock identified the problems with public choice. The gist of this theory is that all persons, in or outside government, tend to promote their own agendas. I would add that this is especially the case in government where accountability and budgetary constraints are minimal and where the very loose, vague idea of the public interest is impossible to follow as a guide to forging policy.
There is also a serious problem with government regulation that is rarely mentioned, namely, that it involves something inimical to the free society, namely, prior restraint. In the criminal law it is well recognized that no one may be incarcerated or otherwise punished unless he or she has been convicted of a crime. But government regulations impose burdens on millions in the market place who haven’t been convicted of any crimes! This is unjust. Not that matters of injustice figure heavily in contemporary political thinking which is now proudly pragmatic, unprincipled, and thus allows for arbitrariness.
Government regulation is very, very costly and removes resources from the market place that could generate economic growth, employment, and deposits that could be used to provide loans for starting business enterprises. I am not here in the position to recount the enormous cost of government economic regulations but there are many works that demonstrate it clearly and convincingly, including such popular fares as John Stossel’s early special on ABC-TV, “Are We Scaring Ourselves to Death?” Stossel showed, with concrete numbers, that the cost of government economic regulation actually results in extensive poverty, something that is the major cause of misery in a society.
Arguments for government regulation are plenty but they aren’t good ones. One is based on the phenomenon of market failures (the cause you cite, David, as a reason for a “greater regulatory role”) but omits the fact that there is a far greater hazard from political failures when governments regulate the market. Another is based on the myth of positive human rights, duties everyone owes to others to take care of them, a position that encourages impermissible involuntary servitude in society.
The only slightly credible support for government regulation, identified in an article by Kenneth J. Arrow, another Nobel Laureate in Harper’s Magazine back in 1984, comes from what Arrow called judicial inefficiencies associated with air pollution and other negative externalities or harmful side effects of economic activities such as manufacturing. But even this is unnecessary when one considers that such bad side effect could be dealt with through public health laws that prohibit defiling the air mass and other public realms.
As for the negotiation issue, Ron Paul
voted for the Medicare Prescription Drug Price Negotiation Act of 2007 which allowed the federal government to negotiate drug prices with drug providers. Maybe he feels differently now(I've not seen any information suggesting this), but at the time he supported this measure, which looks to me like government influencing the market. It seemed to me like something I would have expected him to oppose.
Link.
From what I gather, the government is buying a private good. The act gives the government the authority to negotiate the price they will sell the medication at. All this fuss over something that is essentially a non-issue. It's nothing more than negotiating with Office Depot over the price they'll pay for printer ink.