[Locked] Why Anti-vaxxers piss me off.
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In 1796 Edward JEnner created the first vaccine against smallpox. (http://fn.bmjjournals.com/content/74/1/F77.full.pdf)
Louis Pasteur developed on this idea of inoculation folowed by weakened virus exposure in developing his first vaccination against rabies. (http://content.healthaffairs.org/content/24/3/611.full)
Vaccines in the past century have all but eradicated a number of diseases in developed countries, including diptheria, measles, mumps, rubella, polio, and smallpox. Prior to the introduction of these vaccines, mortality rate was VERY high when it came to sufferers, including, mainly...children.
Sources for the preceding:
"A Population-based study of measle, mumps and rubella vaccination and autism" -- Madsen et al., The New England Journal of Medicine, Nov 2002
"MMR vaccination and pervasive developmental disorders: a case-control study" -- Smeeth et al., Sep 2004
"Vaccines for measles, mumps and rubella in children (Review)" - Demicheli et al., The Cochrane Collaboration 2008
So what is with this 'anti vaccination' movement? Well, anti-vaccination can be tied back to the mid 1800's when Britain made vaccinations mandatory, as people who said, "Hey! That's against our civil liberties! We should be able to choose if we want them!"
However nowadays, anti-vaxx people are essentially those who literally think vacinations not only don't work, but actually are unhealthy.
Yup. The vaccinations don't work. The vaccinations that cause people to stop having diseases as a whole...the ones that are given to children to make sure they don't suffer from measles and mumps and all that bad stuff...don't work.
Not only that. But they cause autism. In 1998 A.J. Wakefield published a paper in the Lancet. It's not a big deal, didn't make any extreme claims. Wakefield studied 12 children that recieved MMR vaccines(measles) and concluded that there might possibly be a link between children who recieve the vaccine, and autism. Why? Well because he hypothesized measles started in the gut, and this could cause an infection that might lead to autism. ("Ileal-lymphoid-nodular hyperplasia, non-specific colitis, and pervasive developmental disorder in children" -- Wakefield et al, The Lancet 1998)
However, this conclusion had no physical or statistical evidence to support it. It was interesting but going just from what's on the paper, there's no way to draw the link from the given data. However, those that decide 'big phrama' are just out to make money and are in some way evil, are quick to jump on such speculation and say, "AH HA! Vaccines give children autism! Scientists concluded this!"
In 2006 another doctor Stephen Walker off handedly mentioned that there might be a connection during a speech he gave at a convention for autism research. However while the mass media decided to say, "Oh no! Scientists fear autism is linked to MMR vaccines!" the actual data gathered by then had shown that such is most certainly...not the case. In fact, the only evidence ever given that this is the case is always anecdotal, "I talk to parents and they all say the same thing: My child developed autism right after he got his vaccine!" But according to the science, if this were the case, the vaccines is almost certainly not to blame, because when one has autism, symptoms don't tend to show until YEARS later in their lives. ("The teratology of autism" - Arndt et al., International Journal of Developmental Neuroscience 2005)
So why do anti-vaxxers piss me off? Because they openly and freely mock the science that saves thousands upon thousands of lives. Will misconstrue studies and scientist statements to make it sound like they have some sort of scientific backing, and openly try to IMPEDE research into a field that is shown to help people...and what is their alternative? Eat fruit.
Eat. Fucking. Fruit. And you'll not only cure diabetes, stop yourself from ever having heart attacks anymore, but you'll cure CANCER.
Nevermind that there's no actual RESEARCH to back this achingly smelly bullshittery up, nevermind that all evidence for such things working is strictly anecdotal, but DISREGARD the scientific research, in favor...of eating...fucking...fruit. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8YSItOzj7o
These people are on my shit list. They're almost as far up as those that say, "We won't take our son to be treated medically...because if we pray hard enough God will perform a miracle and save him."
It's nonsense, and it hurts people.
Louis Pasteur developed on this idea of inoculation folowed by weakened virus exposure in developing his first vaccination against rabies. (http://content.healthaffairs.org/content/24/3/611.full)
Vaccines in the past century have all but eradicated a number of diseases in developed countries, including diptheria, measles, mumps, rubella, polio, and smallpox. Prior to the introduction of these vaccines, mortality rate was VERY high when it came to sufferers, including, mainly...children.
Sources for the preceding:
"A Population-based study of measle, mumps and rubella vaccination and autism" -- Madsen et al., The New England Journal of Medicine, Nov 2002
"MMR vaccination and pervasive developmental disorders: a case-control study" -- Smeeth et al., Sep 2004
"Vaccines for measles, mumps and rubella in children (Review)" - Demicheli et al., The Cochrane Collaboration 2008
So what is with this 'anti vaccination' movement? Well, anti-vaccination can be tied back to the mid 1800's when Britain made vaccinations mandatory, as people who said, "Hey! That's against our civil liberties! We should be able to choose if we want them!"
However nowadays, anti-vaxx people are essentially those who literally think vacinations not only don't work, but actually are unhealthy.
Yup. The vaccinations don't work. The vaccinations that cause people to stop having diseases as a whole...the ones that are given to children to make sure they don't suffer from measles and mumps and all that bad stuff...don't work.
Not only that. But they cause autism. In 1998 A.J. Wakefield published a paper in the Lancet. It's not a big deal, didn't make any extreme claims. Wakefield studied 12 children that recieved MMR vaccines(measles) and concluded that there might possibly be a link between children who recieve the vaccine, and autism. Why? Well because he hypothesized measles started in the gut, and this could cause an infection that might lead to autism. ("Ileal-lymphoid-nodular hyperplasia, non-specific colitis, and pervasive developmental disorder in children" -- Wakefield et al, The Lancet 1998)
However, this conclusion had no physical or statistical evidence to support it. It was interesting but going just from what's on the paper, there's no way to draw the link from the given data. However, those that decide 'big phrama' are just out to make money and are in some way evil, are quick to jump on such speculation and say, "AH HA! Vaccines give children autism! Scientists concluded this!"
In 2006 another doctor Stephen Walker off handedly mentioned that there might be a connection during a speech he gave at a convention for autism research. However while the mass media decided to say, "Oh no! Scientists fear autism is linked to MMR vaccines!" the actual data gathered by then had shown that such is most certainly...not the case. In fact, the only evidence ever given that this is the case is always anecdotal, "I talk to parents and they all say the same thing: My child developed autism right after he got his vaccine!" But according to the science, if this were the case, the vaccines is almost certainly not to blame, because when one has autism, symptoms don't tend to show until YEARS later in their lives. ("The teratology of autism" - Arndt et al., International Journal of Developmental Neuroscience 2005)
So why do anti-vaxxers piss me off? Because they openly and freely mock the science that saves thousands upon thousands of lives. Will misconstrue studies and scientist statements to make it sound like they have some sort of scientific backing, and openly try to IMPEDE research into a field that is shown to help people...and what is their alternative? Eat fruit.
Eat. Fucking. Fruit. And you'll not only cure diabetes, stop yourself from ever having heart attacks anymore, but you'll cure CANCER.
Nevermind that there's no actual RESEARCH to back this achingly smelly bullshittery up, nevermind that all evidence for such things working is strictly anecdotal, but DISREGARD the scientific research, in favor...of eating...fucking...fruit. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8YSItOzj7o
These people are on my shit list. They're almost as far up as those that say, "We won't take our son to be treated medically...because if we pray hard enough God will perform a miracle and save him."
It's nonsense, and it hurts people.
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I don't quite understand the discussion to be had here but if we're warmongering against the worthless ramble that can't seem to function that depricated piece of shit that would be their brains I'm all for it. Something that should be mentioned in addition to your wall of text would have to be the exact impact not having your child or family member vaccinated. Not only are you intentionally endagering your kin but allowing them to be a extremist bioterrorist bomber as a vector for God knows what. Meh if anyone has ever read the exact text of Wakefield's ruse one could see the amount of bullshit in ratio to truth was almost non-existent (It doesn't help that Wakefield was paid and commissioned to write this paper by a private interest.). To summarize,anti-vaxxers are conceited, selfish dumbasses with a love of being sodomized by self-importance. In example of this, your child perhaps being at risk < empirical examples of what could happen after a stop of vaccination: Stockholm, smallpox (1873–74,UK, pertussis (1970s–80s),Sweden, pertussis (1979–96),Netherlands, measles (1999–2000),UK and Ireland, measles (2000),Nigeria, polio, measles, diphtheria (2001-current, Indiana, USA, measles (2005). Yep, you should pray alittle bit harder to God so that he saves your damned soul from hell for slowly killing civilization with your intellectual rot and corporal sickness.
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Darkhilt wrote...
I don't quite understand the discussion to be had hereWell actually I'm fairly certain there are people who disagree with me on this issue. I know there are Fakku users that advocate for alternative medicine as opposed to conventional medicine, and they do this based off of nothing more than anecdotal testimony.
I know there are conspiracy theorist Fakku'ers who really do think that 'big pharma' is just out there to lie to people and spread propaganda in order to get paid. So...I'm essentially making this post in contrast to their views, and anyone who disagrees can argue my data and arguments now, or forever hold their peace.
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Should also be mentioned that vaccines have side effects. The side effect * the chance of getting it just happens to be a lot lower then the disease effect * the chance of contracting it. I didn't take the swine flue vaccine because I didn't trust the safety procedures as it went to fast to make it and the disease effect was so minor.
eating fruits to counteract diseases is retarded though.
eating fruits to counteract diseases is retarded though.
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BigLundi wrote...
Darkhilt wrote...
I don't quite understand the discussion to be had hereWell actually I'm fairly certain there are people who disagree with me on this issue. I know there are Fakku users that advocate for alternative medicine as opposed to conventional medicine, and they do this based off of nothing more than anecdotal testimony.
I know there are conspiracy theorist Fakku'ers who really do think that 'big pharma' is just out there to lie to people and spread propaganda in order to get paid. So...I'm essentially making this post in contrast to their views, and anyone who disagrees can argue my data and arguments now, or forever hold their peace.
Sounds good. Meh I kind of find it ironic that without big pharma doing what it does we would be reduced to an extreme classist system with a large burgeoisie, poor worker system, and an even poorer slum trash group as without big pharma you lose 46% of our instable industry and the only escape from poverty for many(i.e. : Test subjects.)and meh.
Its pretty obvious your contracting it with side effects. Whilst reaction depends on person, considering your only getting an extremely weaken, diluted, and stable strand its a lot better to receive this type of immunity after minimal if even any suffering rather than the full brute.
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It feels to me most anti-vaxxers are just religious extremists who reject all science. Sure, there may be cases where it is based more logic, like Koyoris reasons for not getting the swine flu vaccine but i don't think that is the majority of cases
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BigLundi wrote...
In 1796 Edward JEnner created the first vaccine against smallpox. (http://fn.bmjjournals.com/content/74/1/F77.full.pdf)Louis Pasteur developed on this idea of inoculation folowed by weakened virus exposure in developing his first vaccination against rabies. (http://content.healthaffairs.org/content/24/3/611.full)
Vaccines in the past century have all but eradicated a number of diseases in developed countries, including diptheria, measles, mumps, rubella, polio, and smallpox. Prior to the introduction of these vaccines, mortality rate was VERY high when it came to sufferers, including, mainly...children.
Sources for the preceding:
"A Population-based study of measle, mumps and rubella vaccination and autism" -- Madsen et al., The New England Journal of Medicine, Nov 2002
"MMR vaccination and pervasive developmental disorders: a case-control study" -- Smeeth et al., Sep 2004
"Vaccines for measles, mumps and rubella in children (Review)" - Demicheli et al., The Cochrane Collaboration 2008
So what is with this 'anti vaccination' movement? Well, anti-vaccination can be tied back to the mid 1800's when Britain made vaccinations mandatory, as people who said, "Hey! That's against our civil liberties! We should be able to choose if we want them!"
However nowadays, anti-vaxx people are essentially those who literally think vacinations not only don't work, but actually are unhealthy.
Yup. The vaccinations don't work. The vaccinations that cause people to stop having diseases as a whole...the ones that are given to children to make sure they don't suffer from measles and mumps and all that bad stuff...don't work.
Not only that. But they cause autism. In 1998 A.J. Wakefield published a paper in the Lancet. It's not a big deal, didn't make any extreme claims. Wakefield studied 12 children that recieved MMR vaccines(measles) and concluded that there might possibly be a link between children who recieve the vaccine, and autism. Why? Well because he hypothesized measles started in the gut, and this could cause an infection that might lead to autism. ("Ileal-lymphoid-nodular hyperplasia, non-specific colitis, and pervasive developmental disorder in children" -- Wakefield et al, The Lancet 1998)
However, this conclusion had no physical or statistical evidence to support it. It was interesting but going just from what's on the paper, there's no way to draw the link from the given data. However, those that decide 'big phrama' are just out to make money and are in some way evil, are quick to jump on such speculation and say, "AH HA! Vaccines give children autism! Scientists concluded this!"
In 2006 another doctor Stephen Walker off handedly mentioned that there might be a connection during a speech he gave at a convention for autism research. However while the mass media decided to say, "Oh no! Scientists fear autism is linked to MMR vaccines!" the actual data gathered by then had shown that such is most certainly...not the case. In fact, the only evidence ever given that this is the case is always anecdotal, "I talk to parents and they all say the same thing: My child developed autism right after he got his vaccine!" But according to the science, if this were the case, the vaccines is almost certainly not to blame, because when one has autism, symptoms don't tend to show until YEARS later in their lives. ("The teratology of autism" - Arndt et al., International Journal of Developmental Neuroscience 2005)
So why do anti-vaxxers piss me off? Because they openly and freely mock the science that saves thousands upon thousands of lives. Will misconstrue studies and scientist statements to make it sound like they have some sort of scientific backing, and openly try to IMPEDE research into a field that is shown to help people...and what is their alternative? Eat fruit.
Eat. Fucking. Fruit. And you'll not only cure diabetes, stop yourself from ever having heart attacks anymore, but you'll cure CANCER.
Nevermind that there's no actual RESEARCH to back this achingly smelly bullshittery up, nevermind that all evidence for such things working is strictly anecdotal, but DISREGARD the scientific research, in favor...of eating...fucking...fruit. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8YSItOzj7o
These people are on my shit list. They're almost as far up as those that say, "We won't take our son to be treated medically...because if we pray hard enough God will perform a miracle and save him."
It's nonsense, and it hurts people.
Ahhaha...Yawn,(applaud)good show BigLundi either you just watched an episode of Family Guy or you just got a creative boner for a good topic for serious discussion(finally). I do not see what GOD has too do with fools who choose not too get vaccinated. This discussion sounds more like a self righteous rant targeting individuals freewill so you can feel safe at night cuddling next too a whore who was a prom night dumpster baby. I understand your reasoning and yes people are kind of wrong for doubting the love and research behind vaccines. Problem though what does science and medicine have do with each other? I mean you are the same guy who ranted on how science does not try too prove anything in the bible happened...two different fields of study a major fail on your part my friend...
Oh and before I forget. I can tell you why people fear that the big bad pharmacy company is out too get them...Ready? It is because the medical field utilizes drugs and not natural(herbal)solutions too fix health conditions. That and most of these drugs have side effects which can fix(temporarily) the primary problem while at the same time giving you a whole new set of other medical conditions. Sure the bottle does tell you how many and what and what you cannot take with the drug however that discretion is about as well advised as telling a jukie not too touch your stash of blueberry kush and what not...Bottomline?
I have had heart conditions, infections, and a host of other conditions but did I trust medicine...No! The reason is simple really because I am(DTA)I do not trust anyone but me, myself, and I. I fought those conditions with my own freewill and survivied and now I am as health as an ox. I mean cmon the same pharmaceutical industry that charges cash money for check-ups are the same industry(willing)too give out a FREE vaccine...I think fish is on the menu because it is smelling mighty fishy up on serious discussion with the double standards and all.
P.S. Children? You should be the last guy talking about worrying about children...The same guy who I quote "Fucked a women or underage girl just because she was willing too do the business with you for a pack of cigarettes...At a gas station?" Really? Maybe you should get vaccinated for the possible exploration of STD's you may have acquired on your quest for booty my friend...lol!
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I am going to admit that I only briefly browsed your original post. My post is not exclusively about anti-vaccine compaigns.
Modern medicine prides itself upon evidence-based practice. It is one of the big themes for a modern clinician. Medicine has had a poor track record when it comes to utilising evidence to support treatment. A common example cited to illustrate the power of evidence-based medicine is in the treatment of congestive heart failure (CHF). Drugs in the class known as beta-blockers were never used before since we assumed they will worsen CHF. However, studies later showed that those taking these medications have improved survival rates and thus transformed the management of CHF.
It is rather ironic that once we have decided to adopt systematic review of evidence into our field people start losing faith in doctors. Every time someone makes an outrageous claim (e.g. mercury in vaccine causes Austism) someone else organises a study to refute this. Yet, many people (not just anti-vaxxers) choose to ignore these studies and instead rely on the use of anecdotes ("Well, Mary's son had the MMR vaccine and now he has Autism").
The name Meryl Dorey for instance is well-known in the Australian medical community. She is a woman who fabricates evidence and makes unsupported claims regarding the dangers of vaccinations. Medical specialists are clearly nothing compared to a woman with no qualifications in the medical field and claims to have a brain.
While it is true that medicine has been trying to adopt "alternative" therapies we do not practice these unless there is good evidence to support their efficacy. Indeed, lifestyle interventions and dietary changes certainly play a role in PREVENTION of many diseases and also the management of certain chronic conditions (e.g. hypertension, diabetes mellitus) they must be supplemented with medications where necessary. No doctor in their right mind will tell an obese man with previous heart attack and poorly controlled hypertension to just run more.
Finally, there is also the argument that "BIG PHARMA" companies give doctors free holidays and money to prescribe medications to patients who do not need them. Well that sounds like a plan! I will be looking forward to these free holidays and money!
Modern medicine prides itself upon evidence-based practice. It is one of the big themes for a modern clinician. Medicine has had a poor track record when it comes to utilising evidence to support treatment. A common example cited to illustrate the power of evidence-based medicine is in the treatment of congestive heart failure (CHF). Drugs in the class known as beta-blockers were never used before since we assumed they will worsen CHF. However, studies later showed that those taking these medications have improved survival rates and thus transformed the management of CHF.
It is rather ironic that once we have decided to adopt systematic review of evidence into our field people start losing faith in doctors. Every time someone makes an outrageous claim (e.g. mercury in vaccine causes Austism) someone else organises a study to refute this. Yet, many people (not just anti-vaxxers) choose to ignore these studies and instead rely on the use of anecdotes ("Well, Mary's son had the MMR vaccine and now he has Autism").
The name Meryl Dorey for instance is well-known in the Australian medical community. She is a woman who fabricates evidence and makes unsupported claims regarding the dangers of vaccinations. Medical specialists are clearly nothing compared to a woman with no qualifications in the medical field and claims to have a brain.
While it is true that medicine has been trying to adopt "alternative" therapies we do not practice these unless there is good evidence to support their efficacy. Indeed, lifestyle interventions and dietary changes certainly play a role in PREVENTION of many diseases and also the management of certain chronic conditions (e.g. hypertension, diabetes mellitus) they must be supplemented with medications where necessary. No doctor in their right mind will tell an obese man with previous heart attack and poorly controlled hypertension to just run more.
Finally, there is also the argument that "BIG PHARMA" companies give doctors free holidays and money to prescribe medications to patients who do not need them. Well that sounds like a plan! I will be looking forward to these free holidays and money!
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I think it's quite judgmental to say all anti-vaxxers are unjustified believing what they do. When you give 9 vaccines at once to a small child, it's quite a concern because it is too much for the body to handle.
I do not have the scientific knowledge to counter any arguments. But considering the current state of our government, I do not fully trust their vaccines. I do not deny the importance of certain vaccines, and how they save lives, but at the same time, the preservatives added like Mercury sound much too dangerous to be received by the body frequently. I honestly regret receiving the swine flu shot because that was such a passing thing, I don't even know what the big fuss was about!
That said, since we're on a hentai site, I might as well admit this is an odd stance for someone like me to take, since I have a needle syringe fetish :S
Errrr..... I'm kind of losing my point, aren't I? I just think it's dumb to judge all anti-vaxxers, because there ARE legitimate concerns with vaccines, and some of the people who make them...
I do not have the scientific knowledge to counter any arguments. But considering the current state of our government, I do not fully trust their vaccines. I do not deny the importance of certain vaccines, and how they save lives, but at the same time, the preservatives added like Mercury sound much too dangerous to be received by the body frequently. I honestly regret receiving the swine flu shot because that was such a passing thing, I don't even know what the big fuss was about!
That said, since we're on a hentai site, I might as well admit this is an odd stance for someone like me to take, since I have a needle syringe fetish :S
Errrr..... I'm kind of losing my point, aren't I? I just think it's dumb to judge all anti-vaxxers, because there ARE legitimate concerns with vaccines, and some of the people who make them...
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Lishy1 wrote...
Spoiler:
You are right in saying that concerns regarding vaccine safety is justified.
What is not justified is denying evidence when it is so readily available. The rate of Austism in children who have and have not received MMR for instance shows no statistically significant difference. Yet, anti-vaxxers still reject this.
Many fish have some mercury in them as well (e.g. barramundi). The important thing is whether something is present at a level significant enough to affect your health. We also have studies to show that the quantity of mercury in vaccines do not cause significant harm compared to those who have not received it.
In regards to swine flu, well in retrospect it was a "passing thing" but no one had the capacity to predict whether it will turn into a major event or not. Although having said that there is some controversy regarding whether making a huge deal out of this was justified but that is for another discussion.
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There are ups and downs on both sides. Of course, the benefits and possible side affects shouldn't be taken lightly. I believe that if your own personal beliefs compromise the safety of anyone but yourself then you need to re-think what you believe. Vaccines are an important part of life. With all of the suffering to be had from the numerous diseases, why would anyone not want to be vaccinated?
Of course, with every single pro comes a con. Vaccines are, for the most part, safe but what happens when that one in one hundred side affect comes along? I think it is the fear of these side affects that subconsciously makes "anti-vaxxers" go against these modern medicines so much. That of course is just speculation.
I personally use natural medicine to treat my ADHD in unison with my Vyvanse so that I can at least eat a little rather than nothing. I know it's not a vaccine and sort of off topic but I added this because it supports my statement that both sides have pros and cons.
Of course, with every single pro comes a con. Vaccines are, for the most part, safe but what happens when that one in one hundred side affect comes along? I think it is the fear of these side affects that subconsciously makes "anti-vaxxers" go against these modern medicines so much. That of course is just speculation.
I personally use natural medicine to treat my ADHD in unison with my Vyvanse so that I can at least eat a little rather than nothing. I know it's not a vaccine and sort of off topic but I added this because it supports my statement that both sides have pros and cons.
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Natural selection. either the unvaccinated will get sick and die off, or they will grow stronger and improve the race over all.
beyond that, i don't care. people are gonna do what people are gonna do.
beyond that, i don't care. people are gonna do what people are gonna do.
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Lughost
the Lugoat
I can understand some of the people who take the anti-vaccine stance. In some more traditional societies vaccines are looked at as evil and unwanted, therefore the whole community will usually deny them. Other times the rare case where a person contracts the disease they were supposed to be vaccinated for can end very, very badly and have a traumatizing effect on more impressionable family members.
There are also people who, like the OP said, believe that if they pray hard enough, God will help them. While most many would mock them, that is truly what they believe and is the way that they live their lives. It seems outrageous (which I would readily say it is), but nobody has the right to tell another person how to live.
Some people out there refuse to put things into their body that aren't natural, which many would say vaccines are not.
Then again, there are probably people out there who get paid in some way to speak AGAINST vaccines and the like. If they exist, is it crazy? I would say so. Does it not make sense? Definitely not to me.
There are also people who, like the OP said, believe that if they pray hard enough, God will help them. While most many would mock them, that is truly what they believe and is the way that they live their lives. It seems outrageous (which I would readily say it is), but nobody has the right to tell another person how to live.
Some people out there refuse to put things into their body that aren't natural, which many would say vaccines are not.
Then again, there are probably people out there who get paid in some way to speak AGAINST vaccines and the like. If they exist, is it crazy? I would say so. Does it not make sense? Definitely not to me.
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BlackShogunFox wrote...
Ahhaha...Yawn,(applaud)good show BigLundi either you just watched an episode of Family Guy or you just got a creative boner for a good topic for serious discussion(finally). I do not see what GOD has too do with fools who choose not too get vaccinated. This discussion sounds more like a self righteous rant targeting individuals freewill so you can feel safe at night cuddling next too a whore who was a prom night dumpster baby. I understand your reasoning and yes people are kind of wrong for doubting the love and research behind vaccines. Problem though what does science and medicine have do with each other? I mean you are the same guy who ranted on how science does not try too prove anything in the bible happened...two different fields of study a major fail on your part my friend...
Wait...did you just say...science and medicine have nothing to do with each other?
And you say I fail?
Fucking lol. Seriously. I shit my pants at how epically stupid that was.
Oh and before I forget. I can tell you why people fear that the big bad pharmacy company is out too get them...Ready? It is because the medical field utilizes drugs and not natural(herbal)solutions too fix health conditions.
Right, that fucking Aspirin being from tree bark is total propoganda!
That and most of these drugs have side effects which can fix(temporarily) the primary problem while at the same time giving you a whole new set of other medical conditions.
Which is why you should *drumroll* Consult your physician before using :D
Sure the bottle does tell you how many and what and what you cannot take with the drug however that discretion is about as well advised as telling a jukie not too touch your stash of blueberry kush and what not...Bottomline?
This made no sense to me, so I'm just going to lol again at you insinuating medicine isn't anything to do with science.
I have had heart conditions, infections, and a host of other conditions but did I trust medicine...No! The reason is simple really because I am(DTA)I do not trust anyone but me, myself, and I. I fought those conditions with my own freewill and survivied and now I am as health as an ox.
So you don't trust medicine, which I take it to mean that you didn't go to doctors to find out you had these problems. Which means you self diagnosed yourself. Which means you think you fought problems that may have never been there. And you think this means anything. Lol.
I mean cmon the same pharmaceutical industry that charges cash money for check-ups are the same industry(willing)too give out a FREE vaccine...I think fish is on the menu because it is smelling mighty fishy up on serious discussion with the double standards and all.
What double standard? I only accept the scientifically based valid research and medicine. You don't. I call you an idiot for this. Pretty straight forward.
P.S. Children? You should be the last guy talking about worrying about children...The same guy who I quote "Fucked a women or underage girl just because she was willing too do the business with you for a pack of cigarettes...At a gas station?" Really? Maybe you should get vaccinated for the possible exploration of STD's you may have acquired on your quest for booty my friend...lol!
So far, nothing wrong with me, and no evidence to say she's underage...so none of this is at all relevant :D
Embrace the hate...participate!
You're your own special kind of stupid, aren't you? ;)
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BigLundi wrote...
BlackShogunFox wrote...
Ahhaha...Yawn,(applaud)good show BigLundi either you just watched an episode of Family Guy or you just got a creative boner for a good topic for serious discussion(finally). I do not see what GOD has too do with fools who choose not too get vaccinated. This discussion sounds more like a self righteous rant targeting individuals freewill so you can feel safe at night cuddling next too a whore who was a prom night dumpster baby. I understand your reasoning and yes people are kind of wrong for doubting the love and research behind vaccines. Problem though what does science and medicine have do with each other? I mean you are the same guy who ranted on how science does not try too prove anything in the bible happened...two different fields of study a major fail on your part my friend...
Wait...did you just say...science and medicine have nothing to do with each other?
And you say I fail?
Fucking lol. Seriously. I shit my pants at how epically stupid that was.
Lol, Really yeah medicine can only be science if said medicine is science based which apparently is the case but vaccines or drugs for that matter due too YOUR limited comprehension should be looked at as nothing more then good...Problem? Be it vaccines or drugs they have had their own set of negative publicity. That and most anti-vaxxers feel that vaccines are just a way of population control which I can't blame them if they feel paranoid with just how shady the pharmaceutical industry is...Try again?
Oh and before I forget. I can tell you why people fear that the big bad pharmacy company is out too get them...Ready? It is because the medical field utilizes drugs and not natural(herbal)solutions too fix health conditions.
Right, that fucking Aspirin being from tree bark is total propoganda!
Ha...it is made from the tree bark of the willow tree which is ninty-nine percent crap that does nothing(That is like saying an aspirin made with sea kelp is total propoganda because since it is ninty-nine percent of nothing then what the hell makes the drug do what it does?) I wanna know what that one percent ingredient is however if these companies released that info their monopoly for time being would be ruined. Due too the fact most of this medicine has a patent till it expires...Did you know that? This is a prime example that we are the new guinea pigs because assclowns that said animals should not be exposed too this research...Now I do not find it right that humans or animals are test subjects too this utter shitery...Hell if researchers care so much maybe(just a thought)THEY should do the research on themself...
That and most of these drugs have side effects which can fix(temporarily) the primary problem while at the same time giving you a whole new set of other medical conditions.
Which is why you should *drumroll* Consult your physician before using :D
*Drumroll* Bullshitery on your end yet again, it is well known that most people do not consult their doctor or the doctor forgot too supposedly tell them about the side effects that prescribed drugs have...admist that and the fact that doctors can make more MONEY if the can get their patients riddled with more problems...(I would go into more detail but it would just fly over your head anyhow...)
Sure the bottle does tell you how many and what and what you cannot take with the drug however that discretion is about as well advised as telling a jukie not too touch your stash of blueberry kush and what not...Bottomline?
This made no sense to me, so I'm just going to lol again at you insinuating medicine isn't anything to do with science.
Indeed it makes no sense too you like science and medicine being the same field makes not sense to me. That is like me comparing an ideal(science) with an overall study on how not too suck eggs...which you my friend do. See you think science is the end all be all yet at the same time you have proven too have as many brain cells as a cat in heat...lol. Try again?
I have had heart conditions, infections, and a host of other conditions but did I trust medicine...No! The reason is simple really because I am(DTA)I do not trust anyone but me, myself, and I. I fought those conditions with my own freewill and survivied and now I am as health as an ox.
So you don't trust medicine, which I take it to mean that you didn't go to doctors to find out you had these problems. Which means you self diagnosed yourself. Which means you think you fought problems that may have never been there. And you think this means anything. Lol.
Funny thing I know how much it cost too get a check up...Hey you guys! We have another CSI profiler wannabe on here...Lol? The wise get wiser and the stupid get stupider indeed...Where did you get the taint in your mouth too figure I have never been too a hospital? It seems the community at CrazyTown is hiring more imbeciles then needed. I can apparently tell if something is wrong with me be their a doctor in the house or not. It is called commonsense learn ya jackwagon fucktard for a oaf...Lol!
I mean cmon the same pharmaceutical industry that charges cash money for check-ups are the same industry(willing)too give out a FREE vaccine...I think fish is on the menu because it is smelling mighty fishy up on serious discussion with the double standards and all.
What double standard? I only accept the scientifically based valid research and medicine. You don't. I call you an idiot for this. Pretty straight forward.
CSI wants you too stop ripping off their profiling skills like fish hating it when kids tap the glass at an aquarium. The double standard is the mission of most industries is too make money yet you give out a vaccine for free hence my point on why retards that eat at McDonalds off the dollar menu when all that shit is not even PREMIUM ingredinents...My point I do not trust a doctor too help me get any better just like I do not trust Mary Menstrual and Joe Blow too make my food at a fast food restruant when I could make it myself out of fresh ingredients. I mean cmon we think we know what they put in that food but the question is do we? Same can be said said about vaccines tell me this you BigDummy what do they put in those supposedly amazing vaccines?
P.S. Children? You should be the last guy talking about worrying about children...The same guy who I quote "Fucked a women or underage girl just because she was willing too do the business with you for a pack of cigarettes...At a gas station?" Really? Maybe you should get vaccinated for the possible exploration of STD's you may have acquired on your quest for booty my friend...lol!
So far, nothing wrong with me, and no evidence to say she's underage...so none of this is at all relevant :D
Sure...you are a prime example of am imposter. You make hoodrats seem too have more digin...Who am I kidding you are both some random harlots who say they are blameless yet smells like the backside of a yak. Take a profession in being a man whore suits you better...lol. I just hope that you did not bust a slob with the trick...dudes stop tongue kissing these bitches!
Embrace the hate...participate!
You're your own special kind of stupid, aren't you? ;)
Takes an idiot too know one(the idiot being you of course)...man whore next time the harlot shows up both of you can fornicate each other with pickles so she can get a free box of cigarettes this time...Hahaha!
You could not catch my style if it was in the form of a baseball ya benchwarmer...Next victim?
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BlackShogunFox wrote...
BigLundi wrote...
Spoiler:
Takes an idiot too know one(the idiot being you of course)...man whore next time the harlot shows up both of you can fornicate each other with pickles so she can get a free box of cigarettes this time...Hahaha!
You could not catch my style if it was in the form of a baseball ya benchwarmer...Next victim?
BlackShougunFox, some of your responses have no true merit to them whatsoever (that and your grammar needs a bit of fine tuning), and can simply be written off as trying to troll.
First, it's been recorded that aspirin was, in fact, bark and leaves of the willow tree. As for what other components make it up now, you do have a point as to it being your or my guess as to what's in there, but that does not say that your claim is right either. Unless you yourself have attempted to use willow tree bark in place of aspirin, don't say that it does nothing.
Second, while certain sections of science do not apply to medicine, medicine in itself is a science/study of how certain chemicals affect the body. Also, if someone was truly wary about the medicine they are taking, they have the ability to simply research it themselves. Hell, there are numerous books out that go in detail (but in laymen's terms)about certain drugs, and natural alternatives to them.
Third, your claim that doctors withhold side-effects of medicines from their patients just to make money is utter stupidity. If a doctor refuses to notify a patient of ALL the side effects of a medicine/drug they prescribed, not only will they lose their money, they are liable to lose their medical licence, and face prison time.
Fourth, if someone should overdose on a medicine, it's not the fault of the company, but more the fault of the person who took the drug past what was legally recommended. The reason drugs come with warning labels is to make sure that no one would be stupid enough to try and take three times the recommended dosage for their age/body type.
If your 'style' is attacking someone with childish insults and only, it seems that the one lacking 'common sense' is not BigLundi, but you.
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Fadetoblack wrote...
BlackShogunFox wrote...
BigLundi wrote...
Spoiler:
Takes an idiot too know one(the idiot being you of course)...man whore next time the harlot shows up both of you can fornicate each other with pickles so she can get a free box of cigarettes this time...Hahaha!
You could not catch my style if it was in the form of a baseball ya benchwarmer...Next victim?
BlackShougunFox, some of your responses have no true merit to them whatsoever (that and your grammar needs a bit of fine tuning), and can simply be written off as trying to troll.
First, it's been recorded that aspirin was, in fact, bark and leaves of the willow tree. As for what other components make it up now, you do have a point as to it being your or my guess as to what's in there, but that does not say that your claim is right either. Unless you yourself have attempted to use willow tree bark in place of aspirin, don't say that it does nothing.
Second, while certain sections of science do not apply to medicine, medicine in itself is a science/study of how certain chemicals affect the body. Also, if someone was truly wary about the medicine they are taking, they have the ability to simply research it themselves. Hell, there are numerous books out that go in detail (but in laymen's terms)about certain drugs, and natural alternatives to them.
Third, your claim that doctors withhold side-effects of medicines from their patients just to make money is utter stupidity. If a doctor refuses to notify a patient of ALL the side effects of a medicine/drug they prescribed, not only will they lose their money, they are liable to lose their medical licence, and face prison time.
Fourth, if someone should overdose on a medicine, it's not the fault of the company, but more the fault of the person who took the drug past what was legally recommended. The reason drugs come with warning labels is to make sure that no one would be stupid enough to try and take three times the recommended dosage for their age/body type.
If your 'style' is attacking someone with childish insults and only, it seems that the one lacking 'common sense' is not BigLundi, but you.
It would seem childish too someone dead inside would it...We are all adults here I am simply ranting...You know like how Dennis Miller does. I mean cmon a childish insult is calling someone a doo-doo head and what not if you consider that childish then that makes me wonder what the hell you consider a grown persons insult. BigLundi can defend himself HELL I was not even responding too you...That aside what is wrong with my grammar...I spell words correctly hell you could say your rant about my grammar could use work but that is another issue...
On your first complaint when did I every say tree bark was not an ingredient?
On the second look either medicine is or is not a form of science make up your mind...
On the third I ask really?...Well I guess all that suing done too the industry as of late never happened did it? That and the fact even if companies that produced the drugs they sold on the market got bankrupt could bounce back because they still have money leftover even after the case has been decided in the favor of those who suffered and another company would just buy them out. That meaning the sad business practices from these companies will never end...but alas there is a fine line between diginity and stupidity and you my friend have crossed that line.
On the fourth, cmon cigarettes come with a warning label too as well that only people with a magnifying glass could read. People chain smoking and saying cigarettes are bad for you...Lol! Well riddle me this...Baman which is more toxic cigarette smoke or the smoke that comes from motor vehicles. The point is that the FDA do their damn best too make sure weed in anyway shape or form stay off the market yet they allow this charade too go on between what drugs people should use. Now mind you that most drugs have addictive traits hence regardless of what people do they may become addicted too this shit and can not function without it. Want an example? Fast which means starve yourself for a whole week without drinking water or consuming any subsistence. See how long you can go without that shit...
We all function off chemicals. When you get mad, sad, happy, or when people for some set of circumstance find yourself for some fucking reason in love with someone. Guess what? Chemicals all that shit you feel is nothing more than a chemical reaction that takes place in your head it is that simple...
Now back on childish insults, My goodness is ever one on here sensitive(My gosh people getting sensitive because of what I had too say about another mans rant now I have seen everything)? So let me get this straight after all the post I read by Lundi when he insults people FIRST...No one gets on him for doing it but just because I do I am childish? Like I said in another one of my posts I talk shit because I work like a sailor. I understand if you have a problem with it however that is your problem. This is my preragotive...Next!
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Lol, Really yeah medicine can only be science if said medicine is science based which apparently is the case but vaccines or drugs for that matter due too YOUR limited comprehension should be looked at as nothing more then good...Problem? Be it vaccines or drugs they have had their own set of negative publicity. That and most anti-vaxxers feel that vaccines are just a way of population control which I can't blame them if they feel paranoid with just how shady the pharmaceutical industry is...Try again?
Seriously, try and use some proper grammar.I'm not being a grammar nazi it's just difficult as hell to understand your posts when you don't bother making coherent sense. The pharmaceutical company isn't shady except to people who are conspiracy theorists, and I laugh at their vapid concepts of reality in the first place. It takes a warped mind to look at medicine that's made specifically to help people and go, "Nope, looks shady."
Ha...it is made from the tree bark of the willow tree which is ninty-nine percent crap that does nothing(That is like saying an aspirin made with sea kelp is total propoganda because since it is ninty-nine percent of nothing then what the hell makes the drug do what it does?)
Great, so you agree that you were wrong when you said that modern medicine doesn't use 'natural' remedies.They do. When they work. You admit you're wrong. Good to know. Moving on.
I wanna know what that one percent ingredient is however if these companies released that info their monopoly for time being would be ruined. Due too the fact most of this medicine has a patent till it expires...Did you know that? This is a prime example that we are the new guinea pigs because assclowns that said animals should not be exposed too this research...Now I do not find it right that humans or animals are test subjects too this utter shitery...Hell if researchers care so much maybe(just a thought)THEY should do the research on themself...
Seriously, start making some sense. Right now you're jsut throwing out buzzwords. All the ingredients to medicine are listed on the sides of them. None of it's hidden. Information's free. I don't see what medicine having patents has to do with us being guinea pigs. So I'm ignoring this non sequitor.
*Drumroll* Bullshitery on your end yet again, it is well known that most people do not consult their doctor
Which would be their fault, not the fault of the pharmaceutical industry.
or the doctor forgot too supposedly tell them about the side effects that prescribed drugs have...admist that and the fact that doctors can make more MONEY if the can get their patients riddled with more problems...(I would go into more detail but it would just fly over your head anyhow...)
Yup, and when doctors do that they get fired, which means they make LESS money when they don't tell their patients all the facts, meaning they have every reason to be honest, and no reason to not be honest. Bulshittery on YOUR end. Not mine ;)
Indeed it makes no sense too you like science and medicine being the same field makes not sense to me. That is like me comparing an ideal(science) with an overall study on how not too suck eggs...which you my friend do. See you think science is the end all be all yet at the same time you have proven too have as many brain cells as a cat in heat...lol. Try again?
You don't think biology is science. That just makes me snicker every time you show how utterly retarded you are.
Here, I'll map this out for you. Biology is science. One of the subsets of biology is medicinal research. Ergo, Medicine is science. If you honestly don't understand that, you're either insane, or mentally retarded.
Funny thing I know how much it cost too get a check up...Hey you guys! We have another CSI profiler wannabe on here...Lol? The wise get wiser and the stupid get stupider indeed...Where did you get the taint in your mouth too figure I have never been too a hospital?
From you saying that you don't trust medicine. I mean, it logically follows that if you don't trust medicine and hospitals and think doctors wil lie to you, then you won't trust them to make any deductions about your health, therefore you won't...go to them. Unless you're completely inconsistent as WELL as retarded.
It seems the community at CrazyTown is hiring more imbeciles then needed. I can apparently tell if something is wrong with me be their a doctor in the house or not. It is called commonsense learn ya jackwagon fucktard for a oaf...Lol!
An idiot calling me an idiot means I'm smart. ;)
CSI wants you too stop ripping off their profiling skills like fish hating it when kids tap the glass at an aquarium. The double standard is the mission of most industries is too make money yet you give out a vaccine for free
Vaccines are free? Well now that's news to me...since that's completely untrue. Are vaccines given to people who can't afford them? Sure, but they're still paid for by third parties, be it charities or insurance companies. No double standard. You clearly don't even know what 'double standard' even is.
hence my point on why retards that eat at McDonalds off the dollar menu when all that shit is not even PREMIUM ingredinents...My point I do not trust a doctor too help me get any better just like I do not trust Mary Menstrual and Joe Blow too make my food at a fast food restruant when I could make it myself out of fresh ingredients.
Right, fuck all that education and knowledge about about complex research and how to use complex tools, and going to conventions to keep up to date with current medicine, and reading paper after paper to make sure they're as up to date as possible. "Ah'm gonna heal mahself. Fuck yer edumacation!"
I mean cmon we think we know what they put in that food but the question is do we? Same can be said said about vaccines tell me this you BigDummy what do they put in those supposedly amazing vaccines?
We do know what's in vaccines. It's the weakened or dead version of the viruses that don't hurt us, and allow our immune systems to recognize the virii involved so that at later dates, they can be fought off.
I learned this in 5th grade. Then again, you don't trust people with education. so I don't know how far you got.
Sure...you are a prime example of am imposter. You make hoodrats seem too have more digin...Who am I kidding you are both some random harlots who say they are blameless yet smells like the backside of a yak. Take a profession in being a man whore suits you better...lol. I just hope that you did not bust a slob with the trick...dudes stop tongue kissing these bitches!
Why? Jealous? ;)
Takes an idiot too know one(the idiot being you of course)...man whore next time the harlot shows up both of you can fornicate each other with pickles so she can get a free box of cigarettes this time...Hahaha!
You could not catch my style if it was in the form of a baseball ya benchwarmer...Next victim?
You could not catch my style if it was in the form of a baseball ya benchwarmer...Next victim?
*yawn* you couldn't pwn a preschooler. Let alone that you haven't even addressed....ANY of the sources in my original post, and simply made a whole bunch of unsourced, unsubstantiated claims about pharmaceuticals that you never bothered to figure it necessary to give evidence for, but your rebuttal to my response is, "I know you are but what am I?" There's a reason people are calling you immature.
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Dislike them. Caught Hooping cough a couple of years ago because someone didn't vaccinate their kids (I was working in a shopping center at the time) It took me 6 months to fully recover. Also was exposed to TB (From a Foreign Student at TAFE)but didn't catch it as I had had all my injections as a child.
The risk of complications from vaccines is something like 1-3% here in Australia.
The risk of complications from vaccines is something like 1-3% here in Australia.