Starcraft vs. Warhammer 40k

If the armies of the Starcraft universe, we'll say Starcraft 2. Fought with the armies from Warhammer 40k who would win? Now I know there are more different armies in Warhammer 40k but I was thinking about one on one match ups like.

Terran vs. Space Marine
Protoss vs. Eldar
Zerg vs. Tyranids

Those are the best matches I can think of but feel free to come up with your own.

I may not know much about Starcraft but I do know that Warhammer 40K is pretty tough and as I hear the Terrans of Starcraft are one of the weaker races so I think the Space Marines would beat the Terrans. I don't know about the others, but for a match-up could you use some of the made-up sects of the Space Marines like the Angry Marines I think they would kill almost anyone just because they are that damn angry.

Warhammer 40k wins.

Putting tech aside they vastly outnumber the SCverse.

This makes me wonder what would happen if you also throw in the Orks, Necrons, Chaos (Traitor Marines, Renegades, and Daemons), Imperial Guard, Dark Eldar, and Tau from WH40K.

I think it would be pretty interesting seeing Tau vs Protoss than Protoss vs Eldar, since the Eldar prefer not to waste lives since their race has been dying out for over 10,000 years and they prefer to use other races (Imperial Guards and Space Marines) to do the fighting for them through trickery and deceit in order to protect their dying race - the Eldar would gladly sacrifice the lives of 1 million humans to save 10,000 of their own and would only join the battle when it's the only option left to them.

Seeing Tau going against Protoss would be interesting, but then the Tau are the "Hey everyone, let's get along and fight for the 'Greater Good'" kind of people, then again, they'll just destroy you if you choose not to comply....damn space commies.

With Terran Marines vs Space Marines, Space Marines have an advantage with their weaponry and the tactics of the Codex Astartes - Plasma Weapons destroy light infantry and heavy armored troops with ease, throwing in a Melta or Multi-Melta will just reduce just about anything to molten sludge; with the Codex Astartes, the Space Marines have tactics for almost every situation that could happen on the battlefield.

Then there's the Zerg vs Nids, I honestly seeing Nids winning this battle, because with each passing minute on the battlefield, the Tyranid Hive Mind is always fielding different Nids onto the battlefield to combat any threat - lieterally evolving while fighting - be it from the small Gaunts (Hormagaunts and Termagaunts) to the larger Carnifex and the monstrous Hierophant. Then there's the Hive Tyrant leading the ground forces - "Unlike most other Tyranid creatures, Hive Tyrants are completely self-aware, incredibly intelligent, and can learn from their mistakes. Some posses an instinctive cunning that borders on tactical genius." If the Hive Tyrant happens to fail in it's role, the Hive Mind will bring the Swarmlord - "created by the Hive Mind with the purpose of out-thinking the enemy and developing new strategies when standard Tyranid strategies of physical and biological adaption fail."

Well, that's my 2 cents, anyone want to throw in theirs?

Terran Vs Imperium = Imperium wins. Hundreds of Space Marine Chapters plus the trillions of the Imperial Guard, plus special crap like the Grey Knights and the Assassins, versus a considerably less powerful and much smaller army of technologically inferior grunts.

Protoss Vs Eldar = Eldar wins. They both use similar technology (force fields and the like), but the Eldar have the advantage of exotic militaria (Aspect Warriors, the Avatar of Khaine, and so on).

Zerg Vs Tyranids = Great Devourer wins. Seriously, they're the most fearsome threat of the whole 40k universe (heck, even the Necron see them as a menace), they would eat the Swarm for breakfast.

You Heretic! You think a rip off stands any chance against the original?
Terran vs Imperium = Space base imperial fleets win and do not even need to use ground forces, exterminatum ordered on any Terran planet. Even if there was a need to resort to ground warfare all aspects of the imperium can conquer. Imperial Guard lasguns are known to pierce through tau armor that can be used in equivalent measure to Terran marine armor.Armored fist companies are extremely powerful, a leman russ can withstand orbital bombardment, the only heavy fire power you terrains have is a 125mm cannon on thors and siege tanks, nothing compared to a 800mm from a vindicator. Oh and we have more force multipliers, space marines, titans, inquisitors, psykers,etc.Remember, everything in Starcraft was copied from warhammer.Air based conflict,your best battleship wouldn't stand a chance against a squadron of valkyries let alone a thunderbolt.

Protoss vs Eldar: Meh eldar hands down.Protoss simply can't face with the technologies of the eldar and their prowess in every type of combat. In stealth they are beaten by warp spiders,in close combat,harlequins, in firepower, those heavy support units.Not to mention the power of a craft world in space, one alone can attack a whole solar system on all fronts.

Zerg vs Tyranids: Tyranids, Zerg cannot adapt as the Tyranids do, who can shift and develop their forces depending on enemy, plus, Tyranids have the strength of mass and capture, if a Zerg falls they could use its biomass to add to its own. Besides, I would like to see a zergling go up against any gaunt or ripper, let alone genestealers and carnifexes.And once again, Tyranids have more power over all.Most swarms when on ground have bio-Titan support, a 400 foot tall gargantuan that's only weakness is that it's useless if there is nothing to kill.

Overall, starcraft simply loses in power and originality.All of warhammer's major powers were modified in Starcraft to prevent legal issue, don't expect a watered down product to even come close.


Edit: Oh and to give an example of how overpowered the imperium is, there are about 90,000 space marines throughout the whole imperium, for Orc invasion(in which they are dealing with atleast 5 billion orcs,anything else and IG can be diverted) it is reasonable to send 10-30. Also without the cliche space marines and guardsmen, specialist branches pretty much can overwhelm the terrans. Ordo Mallieus assassins can be sent to destroy whole planets and sisters of battle are known for their ability to conquer almost any population, whether it be through the Emperor's illumination being granted upon them, or His wrathful fire.

Unless we talk about the actual games, in which case Starcraft rapestomps Warhammer 40k.

I'm guessing your NOT considering tabletop as an "actual game"?Just because a game is more popular and is so simplistic that even a child can pick it up doesn't mean it's better.If you consider the canon and storyline for both, warhammer is infinitely better.Warhammer allows for countless stories and foundations to come into play. Perhaps I'm not seeing it in the right light, but a bunch of mercenaries and a decrepit government of mankind is fighting Zerg that don't really have a purpose but to kill whatever they are near and are controlled by men and women without purpose for commanding them to do so and as a third party there are Protoss who don't exactly have a stand in this but can't fight the Zerg even though they've survived this long?

I actually agree that Warhammer 40k would win. I just thought it would be an interesting topic. There was absolutely no reason for that negative rep. That was totally uncalled for!

Meh I'll rep up in 4 hours and 32 minutes.If not for the ability to show that Starcraft is a recycled piece of trash that ruined this world as we know it, I too would have neg ripped this.But considering I did in fact get the chance to do this, I won't.

I thought you were the one that gave the neg rep? And I like Starcraft. I like Warhammer 40k better though. I don't play the table top games I'm just a huge fan of the Dawn of War series and of the whole Warhammer 40k universe, I read the books as well. I was playing Starcraft 2 earlier and thought there were some similarities between the two so I made the thread.

A little late but I would like to say it is not completly fair to compare the two storywise as Starcraft is a video game and always had a set story like most video games while Warhammer 40K is a tabletop game that promotes players to make their own stories to enhance the game play, which for such a goal to be succesful the game needed a good story plaers to enjoy the to it's fullest extent. So true there could be major differences in the stories but really it is because the two main mediums in which each series present the story are fundamentally different allowing for a possible difference in story. But this is my opinion and you are free to agree or disagree but I just wanted to put it out there.

Well as I posted earlier I have never even played the table top game. The Dawn of War video game series and the different books most assuredly do have a set story.

Well mainly I was saying that for tabletop games the main focus is the story and the gameplay is based of the story while in video games the main focus is usually on the gameplay and the story is based off the gameplay so it is to be expected that story of tabletop or tabletop originated series would be better than the story of a video game or video game originated series.

Weren't both Starcraft and Warhammer based on the original Starship Soldier and the old Starship Trooper series to begin with. That probably drew inspiration from somewhere else as well. No one has had an original idea in ages, everything is based on something which has already occurred. There isn't anything wrong with that. some of the best Fantasy Novelists will openly admit to drawing tremendous amounts of inspiration from History.

Before the Zerg or the Tyranids, there was Alien. etc. you can compare the structure of the Space Marines to the Roman Legion, And so forth. The Warhammer Universe has always been more focused on plot, and political intrigue. In contrast the Starcraft Universe picks out specific characters, who move the plot. They're both valid writing styles.

People need to stop this originality game, because this is a business. You find who is doing shit right, you take it, you add and improve. This goes both ways, the games are evolving because they have competition. Warhammer 40k came first, That's just a fact. Starcraft took the idea, they added more to it. Warhammer has done the same. It's an ongoing battle that helps to improve both universes.

Can you imagine what kind of watered down shit we'd have to deal with if one of these companies stood at the top by themselves. In the universe of Sci Fi Fantasy games, who can compare to Warhammer OR Starcraft. They'd have no real damn competition.

Discrediting the opposite side completely because of Fanboy fervor is bad poise.

well said my man.

IvIajoi2n your post is completely true and I totally agree, also it blew my posts out of the water good going and thanks I love discussions or debates.

Why would i be comparing a pc game to a tabletop game? I was obviously talking about the pc games. You do know which section we're in right?



The same goes for the opposite.

And "so simplistic that even a child can pick it up"? Why would that even be a bad thing?
Does it make you feel smarter when you try to degrade the RTS genre in general? What was even the point of that statement? Some random pointless bashing?

Further more, it's pretty amusing to see how completely oblivious you are about the things you talk about when you try to talk shit about the mechanics of a game that's widely considered the hardest E-sport game around, just behind Brood War that is, but that's aside the point.

Everyone can play but few master it. Does it ring a bell?



Why the fuck would i compare the storylines between something that has been out for like 25 years and spends way more time and efforts into fleshing out it's lore to pc games which main focus is perfect gameplay and balance between it's races??

Way to miss the point.



I have no idea what the hell you're blabbering about here. The Zerg don't have a purpose but is controlled by men and women? Who? What? The Protoss can't fight the zerg? huh?

Do you actually know what you're talking about or are you just totally awful at conveying what you're trying to say?




You really work hard to come off as an fanboy who's opinion might as well be worthless in this discussion due to way too much bias and ability to look at things with an open mind.


And since you've got such a big boner for "originality" here you go



Excellent post. +rep.

I got way to much free time tonight, so i'm going to have fun with this idea. So here is a really long TL;DR. Also because i never really answered the "Starcraft vs Warhammer" the way the OP wanted it to be.


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Terran vs Space Marine Imperium
Okay so now on to the actual OP's post. I'm going to take a different spin on this, i'd say the Dominion would probably get dissolved if they came face to face with the Imperium or Space marines. But there's a ton of rebel groups who wouldn't meet the Space Marines in a face to face engagement. I foresee the Terrans assimilating into the general populace of the Imperium somehow.

Few can argue that the Imperium and the Space Marines have one hell of a bite, The Dominion can't compare. In direct confrontations the Space Marines will pretty much win. But they might forget the Terran's have been grown up on political corruption, subterfuge and the spirit of Rebellion. They know how to find the delicate cracks in an Empire, the disgruntled worker, the disloyal soldier. And they're completely willing to bide their time and wait for the right time to kick a man when he's down. Even if they dissolve the Dominion, the Terrans have been through the destruction of their government before. There are plenty of splinter groups who'd just take a step back.

So a fair amount of them would try to fix themselves into the Imperium, maybe as normal citizens. Terrans in Starcraft have always been a bit low brow, their presence incites higher crime rates on some colonies in the Imperium. They also have a natural distaste for authority, and rely more on propaganda and sowing discontent. the seeds for future rebellions and such are planted, interesting shit ensues.

The Laws within the Imperium are restricted as hell. It goes without saying that there'd be a fair amount of people who are aching for some sense of freedom. Fear and Propaganda keeps most people in check. And the Terrans operate well as individuals, There isn't a head of the snake the Imperium can cut off. Meanwhile the Populace of the Imperium is pretty well spoon-fed. They're raised to just suck the Emperor's teet, even the governors are at the mercy of the Adeptus Arbites. I'm not even sure if individual fringe colonies could even operate if they were cut off from the Imperium somehow. It's a delicate information network, that's meant to keep control on an empire which spans over countless planets.

Eldar vs Protoss
Yeah they don't even fight, if anything i foresee them cooperating with one another. Both races are extremely intelligent, and have both been through the near destruction of their entire kind. A few of the Eldar and Protoss form a union, maybe work towards the recovery of their kind. Make sure the same mistakes aren't made twice.

There'd be a few fights between Protoss and Eldar, but that's because both races have separate tribes and clans here and there. And have a very defined social classes. It might lead to a few scuffles here and there.

I think the most interesting clash would be between the Eldar following the Path of the Warrior and those of the Templar Caste. They both consist of a troop of completely fanatical warriors. There's room for respect to brew, there isn't a reason for them to hate each other. They might even learn something from eachother, they have something in common, there complete devotion to war. The Templar Caste is completely willing to die in battle. and if they're allowed to do it, they'll gladly do it two times (Dragoons). I doubt it wouldn't get at least some amount of respect from the Eldar Warriors.

I'd go as far as to say the Eldar Warriors and the Templar would have more in common with eachother, then they do with their respective leaders. The Seers (Eldar) and the Judicator (Protoss). The only thing that would get in the way of that, is the Protoss prejudice against females.

And Both Factions would benefit greatly from mutual cooperation. As a result of low population the Eldar have developed stealth and warp technologies vastly. And try to rely on others when they can, which is a valid reason for them to partner with the Protoss. By comparison the Protoss supplement their forces with robots where ever they can. And they have technologies that let them revive and put their troops right back on the field. And thanks to Tassadar they're much more open to diplomatic relations with other races.

Imagine what a Fire Dragon could do with Protoss Warp Armor. The big disadvantage of the Eldar is that they need to rely on the Webway. The Protoss have technology implemented into their actual armor that allows a Warrior to be warped before death.

Zerg vs Tyranids
Ya, Zerg get eaten. This one is kind of a 0 IQ debate. Both races are built around a hive mind, and are wired to consume and assimilate. The Tyranids seem to adapt faster, the Zerg require time to evolve. Starcraft 2 was basically proof of that. But the Overmind has access to vast knowledge, including the ability to control the entirety of the Swarm. That could be fun to play around with, i'm not sure if the Tyranids would bother with it or not.

Im pretty sure the Imperium alone could take on all of the SCverse combined by just overwhelming them with numbers.